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Yeah I always felt that it was only Yoda, Kenobi and Palps that knew the full truth. But now its hard to not allow the prequels to not come to mind when thinking of these things.

Once seen it can never be unseen !

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I always presumed that Anakin Skywalker died (figuratively)  and Vader was reborn from Skywalker and that was information that only a small circle of people both Jedi and Empire were privy to. Anakin might have been a hero of the Clone Wars but the Jedi were disgraced and obliterated before the wars ended, therefore I doubt 'Anakin Skywalker' was a household name, at least not enough for the galaxy to question Luke's surname, especially as Tatooine was in the outer rim with little to no Imperial influence.

which all brings about a bigger question,  is the Galaxy aware they under Sith rule?

 

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I just try not to think about it too much.  Drinking helps.

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buddy-x-wing said:

which all brings about a bigger question,  is the Galaxy aware they under Sith rule?

 

I'd say no. from what we hear in the OT, few people seem to believe the Jedi/Sith were ever real to begin with. Like Han says "...I've never seen anything to make me believe in one all powerful force." Which makes no sense when you take the prequels into account. Han would have been 5 years old when this galaxy wide Clone War broke out and Jedi seemed to be everywhere.

Which all brings about a bigger question: Is everyone in the galaxy really THAT forgetful? Less than 20 years before ANH, Jedi were everywhere and everybody knew about 'em and trusted 'em and saw them preforming miraculous tasks day in, day out. Then, suddenly, everyone either forgets about the whole thing or claims they never believed anyway and then everyone lets a evil looking and sounding monster-faced Sith lord takeover rule of the entire galaxy without pause.

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We really don't know what the average Joe in the SW universe thinks about the Jedi in the OT. We do see someone alert the sandtroopers about the altercation in the Cantina. People probably get fried almost daily in that dive, but a Lightsaber was seen.

Over the years, people might clam up to get by under the new boss, people pass away without sharing their memories of the CW, memories fade, history books are rewritten by the victors, and younger people have not a clue.

There are people in this world who think the moon landings were faked in a tv studio. Disbelief in Jedi or the Force isn't that much of a stretch. (Especially if there is an Imperial propaganda machine in place.) Han might not have been anywhere near the war in his young life anyway.

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The Clone Wars didn't seem to affect a whole lotta people in the prequels. especially not Coroscunt which is the central hub and all that. the war didn't stop them from routinely going to work & nightclubbin'.

of course that's probably just bad film making and not intentional.

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greenpenguino said:

Pennsylvania Jones said:

ray_afraid said:

Han would have been 5 years old when this galaxy wide Clone War broke out and Jedi seemed to be everywhere.

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Another thing to consider is Admiral Motti.  If A New Hope, he obviously doesn't have much belief in the force or the Jedi/Sith ways otherwise he wouldn't have been stupid enough to talk shit to Vader.  You would think that a high ranking official would know well enough not to screw with a force user unless of course their deeds had faded into the obscurity of history.  Even though it's only been 20 years, the original Star Wars does imply that the Jedi have been mostly forgotten so the likely hood that one specific Jedi would be a common house hold name at this point is highly unlikely.

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lpd said:


Yeah I always felt that it was only Yoda, Kenobi and Palps that knew the full truth. But now its hard to not allow the prequels to not come to mind when thinking of these things.

Once seen it can never be unseen !


That's not - usually - a problem I have to deal with, thank God. I don't think I'd be able to enjoy any fictional universe if I had to take subpar sequels/prequels/spinoffs into consideration.

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SilverWook said:


There are people in this world who think the moon landings were faked in a tv studio.
Prove they weren't!

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ray_afraid said:

buddy-x-wing said:

which all brings about a bigger question,  is the Galaxy aware they under Sith rule?

 

I'd say no. from what we hear in the OT, few people seem to believe the Jedi/Sith were ever real to begin with. Like Han says "...I've never seen anything to make me believe in one all powerful force." Which makes no sense when you take the prequels into account. Han would have been 5 years old when this galaxy wide Clone War broke out and Jedi seemed to be everywhere.

 

I think that says more about Han's character than anything,  he's a practical man, and only believes in things that he can see and feel,  he's obviously aware of the 'all powerful force' but doesn't believe in it, and with the Jedi all but wiped out and discredited 20 years beforehand, he's unlikely to have ever witnessed somebody using the Force before.

Lets not forget the Jedi were Peace-keepers and not likely to be using their powers unless they had to.

 

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"You know of the rebellion against the Empire?!"

Tattooine is REALLY far out of the way in a really big galaxy.  Luke is a clueless teenager.  I would be more surprised if he actually knew who Anakin Skywalker was in the first place. 

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Eric_S said:

"You know of the rebellion against the Empire?!"

Tattooine is REALLY far out of the way in a really big galaxy.  Luke is a clueless teenager.  I would be more surprised if he actually knew who Anakin Skywalker was in the first place. 

That's yet another indicator of how Lucas' inability to write created a giant plot hole that he was never able to SE his way out of. 

In Star Wars, Luke's father is mentioned briefly, early in the film, as a story point to establish Luke as an orphaned kid living out in the middle of nowhere.  Ben knew his father, had his old war weapon, and gave it to Luke.

Same for Leia.  Her father is mentioned briefly as a plot device to get Ben involved, then the story moves on.  The problem - and to me it's gargantuan - is when Lucas couldn't come up with a sequel, as well as rejecting the two that he asked two other authors to write.

He decided instead to rewrite the first story.  Luke's father and Leia's father - two separate characters unrelated to Vader - should have never been brought back into the story, whatever direction it went in. 

However, not only did Lucas bring back Luke's father as a story element, he changed him to someone who was already in the first film. He then  muddied the story even further when he later tied him back into the Leia arc by making him her father too (more writer's block). 

He took three established & different characters and changed them all into the same guy. Once the fans accepted that pretzel logic, he took the ball and ran with it. If you can get your audience to accept an on-the-fly rewrite that ridiculous, they'll accept anything. 

Ultimately, he made Luke's father the primary character in five of the six films. Yet, as this discussion shows, it still makes no sense when you try to align it with the original story.

It's poor writing that no amount of discussion, SEs, or revisionist history interviews will ever be able to correct.

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These threads need sub-sections for arguing in the context of:

1977

1980

1983

2005

 

Because at each time period, you can look at the Star Wars universe in a different context due to Lucas changing the story despite it not matching up. 

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If Maury Povich existed in this universe, he would be able to help young Luke.

Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.

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Monolithium said:

If Maury Povich existed in this universe, he would be able to help young Luke.

Darth, you ARE the father!

“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”

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DuracellEnergizer said:

 

lpd said:


Yeah I always felt that it was only Yoda, Kenobi and Palps that knew the full truth. But now its hard to not allow the prequels to not come to mind when thinking of these things.

Once seen it can never be unseen !


That's not - usually - a problem I have to deal with, thank God. I don't think I'd be able to enjoy any fictional universe if I had to take subpar sequels/prequels/spinoffs into consideration.

 

I know, what a shame, I'm still gutted all these years later.

 

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Circa 1983 one could kinda make somewhat-plausible sense out of it.

But once Lucas made Annakin a Tattooine native, it all turns to rotten, fetid SHIT, oozing puss and floating in a stagnant puddle of concentrated PISS on a bed of jumbled GARBAGE, swarming with shit-eating flies and writhing filthy maggots. 

 

(Sorry for the vitriol, but I'm currently in the midst of a masochistic revisitation of the so-called "prequels" rented via Netflix.  And I've given up alcohol for the month as a New Year's resolution.  So it's hard to deal.)