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I've been the resident advocate of this idea for a long time, so at the risk of sounding repetitive, I'd like to propose something... I always felt that the rehashing of the Death Star was weak, so to make the ending more climactic, I'd like to propose that the assault on the Death Star II be replaced with an assault on the Imperial Capital.

Why? The Rebels have been working on the outer reaches of the galaxy up to the final movie. By forcing them to take on the center of Imperial activity, it adds tension and makes the conclusion more dramatic. Endor is yet another backwater, but by sending them to the Imperial Capital we signal that this truly is the last, decisive battle.

By ridding it of the DSII, we also make it clear that the threat is very different than the threat in the first movie. Here the risk is that the Rebellion has been drawn into the belly of the beast to be destroyed. I know there's already been talk of adding Coruscant to the finale, but I think that if that's going to happen, it might as well be used as a means to getting rid of a rehashed plot element.

How? Well, there are ways:

1. At the opening of the movie, replace the entire matte of Endor and the DSII with a matte of the Imperial Capital, looking like a degraded Coruscant.

2. New establishing shots would have to be made of the shuttle's arrival at the Imperial Palace.

3. The interior of the DSII would now be taken as the interior of the Imperial Palace.

4. The Emperor's throne room would need new mattes for all the windows, showing the dingy city environment outside.

5. New establishing shots would have to be created for the Palace.

6. From the surface of Endor (now a moon of the Capital) we should be able to see the Imperial Capital.

7. Luke's confrontation with Vader in the Endor Imperial base could now be set in a building in the Imperial Capital - perhaps a massive and foreboding detention center. New establishing shot would be needed along with new scenery outside the corridor's windows.

8. A new hologram would have to be made for the briefing scene in which Ackbar explains the nature of the attack - the whole Imperial planet is surrounded by an energy shield generated from the moon of Endor. In order to attack the Palace, they must shut down the generator, send a team to fly into a service shaft which travels underneath the Palace and have them destroy the Palace's energy reactor, which cause a chain reaction destroying the entire palace. The only reason this attack can proceed is that the Imperial fleet is "spread thin throughout the galaxy in a vain attempt to engage" the Rebels. This, of course, is all a trap to bring the Rebels onto the Empire's home turf.

9. The Falcon's attack on the DSII's surface would have to be altered so that it appears to be flying along the surface of a city before ducking into the service shaft.

10. The big dramatic conclusion! The Imperial Palace would have to explode in dazzling fashion just as the Falcon escapes the blast. This would probably require a whole new CG model, like the establishing shots mentioned above.

Well, that's my offering. Take it or leave it, I just felt I had to say it.

 

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Sorry for putting in so many comments here but I've had a ton of ideas over the past couple of days.  Some line about scrambling more fighters should be included early in the battle.  If you think about it, there aren't that many fighters involved on the initial approach to the DSII, some may crash into the shield, and they are outnumbered by the TIEs, but we see several fighters still around throughout the battle.  And with the number of capital ships, you'd think they'd be holding more in reserves.  It's just a thought, but I think it should be implied that more are ready to be launched.  This could also justify inclusion of some of the older ships people talked about in the other thread, like a lone Naboo fighter or the heavily armored Clone Wars Y-wings.

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TheoOdo said:

I've been the resident advocate of this idea for a long time, so at the risk of sounding repetitive, I'd like to propose something... I always felt that the rehashing of the Death Star was weak, so to make the ending more climactic, I'd like to propose that the assault on the Death Star II be replaced with an assault on the Imperial Capital.

Why? The Rebels have been working on the outer reaches of the galaxy up to the final movie. By forcing them to take on the center of Imperial activity, it adds tension and makes the conclusion more dramatic. Endor is yet another backwater, but by sending them to the Imperial Capital we signal that this truly is the last, decisive battle.

By ridding it of the DSII, we also make it clear that the threat is very different than the threat in the first movie. Here the risk is that the Rebellion has been drawn into the belly of the beast to be destroyed. I know there's already been talk of adding Coruscant to the finale, but I think that if that's going to happen, it might as well be used as a means to getting rid of a rehashed plot element.

How? Well, there are ways:

1. At the opening of the movie, replace the entire matte of Endor and the DSII with a matte of the Imperial Capital, looking like a degraded Coruscant.

2. New establishing shots would have to be made of the shuttle's arrival at the Imperial Palace.

3. The interior of the DSII would now be taken as the interior of the Imperial Palace.

4. The Emperor's throne room would need new mattes for all the windows, showing the dingy city environment outside.

5. New establishing shots would have to be created for the Palace.

6. From the surface of Endor (now a moon of the Capital) we should be able to see the Imperial Capital.

7. Luke's confrontation with Vader in the Endor Imperial base could now be set in a building in the Imperial Capital - perhaps a massive and foreboding detention center. New establishing shot would be needed along with new scenery outside the corridor's windows.

8. A new hologram would have to be made for the briefing scene in which Ackbar explains the nature of the attack - the whole Imperial planet is surrounded by an energy shield generated from the moon of Endor. In order to attack the Palace, they must shut down the generator, send a team to fly into a service shaft which travels underneath the Palace and have them destroy the Palace's energy reactor, which cause a chain reaction destroying the entire palace. The only reason this attack can proceed is that the Imperial fleet is "spread thin throughout the galaxy in a vain attempt to engage" the Rebels. This, of course, is all a trap to bring the Rebels onto the Empire's home turf.

9. The Falcon's attack on the DSII's surface would have to be altered so that it appears to be flying along the surface of a city before ducking into the service shaft.

10. The big dramatic conclusion! The Imperial Palace would have to explode in dazzling fashion just as the Falcon escapes the blast. This would probably require a whole new CG model, like the establishing shots mentioned above.

Well, that's my offering. Take it or leave it, I just felt I had to say it.

 

I'm glad you took the time to say it, as I've been hoping for a more cohesive Coruscant storyline to justify the argument to include it.  I honestly still don't agree, but I like your concept and it's clearly been well thought out.

Though there are other reasons, my biggest reason for not using this idea is that it in many ways reduces the tension.  We're not talking about an impending threat that must be eliminated while weak.  We're talking about what could be simply a massive attack, timed whenever it becomes convenient.  To me, that just dramatically reduces the looming danger the Rebellion is in, having to strike during their darkest hour.  And on top of that, destroying the Imperial Palace is not nearly as climactic as destroying the Death Star.

But don't let me discourage you.  This is a place for creative discussion, and I'm sure there are others that like your perspective.  I hope you'll stick around and continue to fight for your ideas :)

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Fettclone1 said:

noob 2 cents here:

I'm very much behind the idea of having Dagobah early in the movie with the premise of Luke continuing his training. Spence did this over at FanEdit and I think it works well. 

Elsewhere, I like to think of myself as a bit of an authority on Boba Fett *cough* and my position is Semi-Fett; that is, he would be ok in Jabba's Palace but he should not be on the sail barge. The character, aside from the added SE crap, was very much like his ESB persona in the palace. After that he becomes stupid.

It also makes sense for him to be alongside Jabba for potential work but he shouldn't involve himself that much (especially if you consider what happened to Jango).

What I'm really, firmly against is having Fett involved in some subplot that gets shoehorned in. That's just wrong on a few levels.

I appreciate your 2 cents.  I like Dagobah early on too :)

Also, as for Fett, how do we explain his disappearance between palace and barge?  It just feels like a loose thread.  The Fett problem is one of the most difficult to address in my opinion: how do we keep him cool and give him a respectable departure from the film?

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This is simply a quickly completed brief script for two scenes involving B-wing action and the Lost Rebel footage.  I rely more heavily on the younger female pilot because she's not annoying and we actually have a colored scene for reference if someone is able to color the other clips.  We can remove the older woman's only shot if we can't color it.  All voices would of course be redubbed:

 

 

Attack on the Communications Star Destroyer Scene:

Mon Cal Pilot: Commencing our attack run on the main communications vessel.  Cover us, Gray 6 and 7.

Female Pilot 1: Got it.

Two B-wings approach a distant star destroyer from the front.

Sullustan Pilot: We’ll target the shield generators.  You hit the tower.

They near the Star Destroyer with a large communications tower on the bridge.  The B-wings unload a barrage on the shield domes and peel off to the left and right.

Female Pilot 1: We’re starting our attack run on the main power tree (the pilot’s targeting computer extends).

Two A-wings approach the destroyer, surrounded by laser fire. 

Female Pilot 2: I’m hit!

One A-wing explodes.  The other continues its approach.

Female Pilot 1: I’m in range.

The lone A-wing launches a barrage of concussion missiles that strike the large tower and leave it in flames while the A-wing veers off right.

 

B-Wings Destroy a Star Destroyer Scene:

A Mon Calamari cruiser is engaged in broadsides with a star destroyer.  The cruiser is clearly receiving the worst of it, with several sections bursting in small explosions.  But the destroyer is also taking quite a pounding with several small fires on the hull surface.

Mon Cal Pilot: The Endurance is in trouble.  We’re starting our run on that destroyer.

Sullustan Pilot: Right with you.

Three B-wings begin a spinning approach towards the destroyer from the starboard side, unleashing a hail of laser fire and torpedoes, focused on the midsection of the hull.  Their concentrated blasts punch a gaping, flaming hole into the destroyer which quickly spreads.

Mon Cal Pilot: Get out of there, Endurance!

The Mon Cal cruiser puts some distance between itself and the burning destroyer.  Just after the three fighters cross over the enemy vessel in perfect formation, the star destroyer explodes in a spectacular display.

 

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Wow, this whole voting thing is a lot of work.  I'm hoping someone will soon be ready to step up as the spearhead for this project, because I already am neglecting important things for this project, and school is starting on Jan 9 for me.  Anyone willing to sort of be the go-to person, please let me know.  I will probably provide a suggested successor of sorts (making this sound like a dictatorship).  You of course can all approve or disapprove, but I think it should be someone fair-minded and with the time and ambition to keep track of things.  I can still help and update the first post, but really this is already getting to be a bit much.

 

With that, I realized there was an error in the voting numbering.  For some reason when I pasted the items from Word, item 2 under Coruscant didn't receive a number, and I think a couple of you skipped it when voting.  If you want your voice heard on whether Endor should be a moon of Coruscant and don't think you voted on it, please let me know.

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darth_ender said:

 

I'm glad you took the time to say it, as I've been hoping for a more cohesive Coruscant storyline to justify the argument to include it.  I honestly still don't agree, but I like your concept and it's clearly been well thought out.

Though there are other reasons, my biggest reason for not using this idea is that it in many ways reduces the tension.  We're not talking about an impending threat that must be eliminated while weak.  We're talking about what could be simply a massive attack, timed whenever it becomes convenient.  To me, that just dramatically reduces the looming danger the Rebellion is in, having to strike during their darkest hour.  And on top of that, destroying the Imperial Palace is not nearly as climactic as destroying the Death Star.

But don't let me discourage you.  This is a place for creative discussion, and I'm sure there are others that like your perspective.  I hope you'll stick around and continue to fight for your ideas :)

This is how I feel as well. It's not as though Coruscant will be flying around and blowing up other planets. The rebels could leave it there as long as they wanted.
Plus, it's not just the imperial military living there, right? All of the citizens of Coruscant who lived there before still live there.

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darth_ender said:

Update on voting:

Since I'm for debating this thing till next Wed, I want everyone to know that if you submit a vote and later change your mind, just let me know and I will change how I've tallied your vote.  Change your mind as much as you want till next Wed.

Also, we've had several maybes, so if you want to vote maybe on something, that is okay.

Also, I've had to interpret some of your comments, given that they are not always specific yes, no, or maybe votes.  Depending on how committed you sounded, I put down what it sounded like you were saying for simplicity.

Also, the vote on ships present at the Battle of Endor has gotten varied responses, some saying yes to one vessel and no to another.  So I'm thinking I'm going to allow everyone to specify each vessel type they wish to include (i.e. Mon Cal cruisers, Victory SDs, B-wings, anything else you can think of).  If you simply say yes or no, I'm going to apply that to every class we come up with.

And also, please keep your votes personal.  I know I'm being stingy about this, but the reason is that when people see a trend, they tend to vote with that trend instead of going with their gut, even if that trend ends up not being real.  I want people to really vote with their hearts so we can explore the most popular options thoroughly before throwing them out.  If someone chooses to not vote the way they'd originally intended, it may be enough to sway the vote the other way.  Thanks for all who've participated so far, and I look forward to hearing from those who have not yet, particularly those involved in special effects, since everything hinges on their efforts.  

Why don't you give the mabey yes a +0.5 points a mabey no -0.5 points yes +1 and No -1

That way each idea has a final score the highest points are obviously more favourable.... Just trying to help

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Essentially what I'm thinking ;)  Thanks for the help.

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Frink, you're entitled to a vote since you did comment once (albeit, you were poking fun at how I started the thread).  I will mark you down for saving Lando, but if you want to do more, please feel free.

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This might be a tad off-topic, but in light of voting on different ways to handle Anakin's ghost, I made a (very bad) picture mock-up here.

I'd have done a video, but I won't be at my normal After Effects computer until January 23.

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I'm liking it.  I'd like it better if it were Sebastian Shaw, but I'm liking it, especially the way you have events play out.  I'm glad you and I enjoy the same idea ;)  Looking forward to a video.  Maybe it will help everyone come to love this idea.

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Yeah, with the Hayden Christensen face it looks like a reddit comic or something. Looks good though, other than that.

Maybe he could appear at both the pyre and the celebration?

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So going back to this I thought I would expand upon what I had in mind for this although It probably won't make it....

The Exchange

Basically this is a short scene which involves handing the plans over to the rebels... I was thinking Bossk and the hounds tooth as we have footage of him from ESB which could be re-used perhaps. Knight Quest the star wars fan-film contains CGI of the hounds tooth but may need a re-texture or re-skin of this CGI Model.

There is no planets here this is deep space...

Basically we would see a short shot of the hounds tooth with a beacon lit... We would then see a new shot where the camera is pulled back much further away with the medical frigate and 2 x-wings coming into closer proximity. None of these ships are moving fast they are moving really slow and with caution. I would suggest using modified footage from the end of ESB Fleet.

It would require a small Audio Dub...and cockpit shot of Bossk

Rebels "Hold your present course....Do you have the Plans?"

Bossk "Yessss, Planssss, you have Creditssss?"

We then see a graphic of credits being deposited into Bossks dashboard computer. The Cargo Bay Doors Open on the hounds Tooth (Knightquest or New CGI) and an R4-D5 unit is sucked out into space there are some good 3d renders of this on youtube so was going to suggest using one of these at far distance revolving horizontally but with 2d rotaion animation so it appears to be tumbling into space.

The Frigate Fires on the Hounds Tooth and the x-wings start to bear round upon him and houndstooth gets hit takes damage but then the Hounds Tooth speeds away and very soon after escapes into hyperspace.

The Last shot is of the medical Frigate and x-wings after this small skirmish. The Droid I assume would be tractored in but I don't think we need to see that.

Anyway that as far as I got and there is footage available to modify and composite but would require the Audio Dub.

 

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As much as I respect the originals, I really don't think it'd be a good idea to use Shaw. 

People always argue that Shaw IS Anakin Skywalker, but... frankly, the Prequels WERE made, and Hayden WAS cast as Anakin. Hayden is Anakin Skywalker, and for the sake of the Saga, it should be Anakin Skywalker who appears at the end.

Shaw played an important part as the man behind the mask - but his voice and appearance really shouldn't be the basis for the formation of the Anakin character - considering we only can go on what we have in the movies, which is only about a minute or so of an old, broken man's labored last words. 

I really don't see it as disrespect to "rob" Shaw of the last few seconds he appears as a ghost. And for the sake of the full-circle of the Saga, it probably should be Hayden.

BUT! It should NOT be the Hayden we see in the DVD and Blu-Ray. They should have made him look as old as he's supposed to be (What would it be? Like 50?).
So I'd suggest maybe taking Hayden's head from another of his movies where his hairstyle isn't so rouge-like, and maybe grey him up a little bit digitally. If you really want to go the extra mile, add in some wrinkles and you're set.  

 

 

 

And concerning a scene about the stolen plans...
I really like the idea of showing it, but I'm just a little afraid of how it affects the style in relation to other Star Wars movies. This is the kind of scene you'd see in a cold opening, which is a lot more "modern" than the overall retro style of the Star Wars movies.
Is there a way to incorporate this idea more into the flow of the script?  

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aalenfae said:

As much as I respect the originals, I really don't think it'd be a good idea to use Shaw. 

People always argue that Shaw IS Anakin Skywalker, but... frankly, the Prequels WERE made, and Hayden WAS cast as Anakin. Hayden is Anakin Skywalker, and for the sake of the Saga, it should be Anakin Skywalker who appears at the end.

Shaw played an important part as the man behind the mask - but his voice and appearance really shouldn't be the basis for the formation of the Anakin character - considering we only can go on what we have in the movies, which is only about a minute or so of an old, broken man's labored last words. 

I really don't see it as disrespect to "rob" Shaw of the last few seconds he appears as a ghost. And for the sake of the full-circle of the Saga, it probably should be Hayden.

BUT! It should NOT be the Hayden we see in the DVD and Blu-Ray. They should have made him look as old as he's supposed to be (What would it be? Like 50?).
So I'd suggest maybe taking Hayden's head from another of his movies where his hairstyle isn't so rouge-like, and maybe grey him up a little bit digitally. If you really want to go the extra mile, add in some wrinkles and you're set.  

 

 

 

And concerning a scene about the stolen plans...
I really like the idea of showing it, but I'm just a little afraid of how it affects the style in relation to other Star Wars movies. This is the kind of scene you'd see in a cold opening, which is a lot more "modern" than the overall retro style of the Star Wars movies.
Is there a way to incorporate this idea more into the flow of the script?  

I like your Mock-up but I think either have the Original Ghost or no Ghost.

Your right Alanfae that's what I am scared of too because I don't want to ruin it and spoil things, like you say more modern may not fit. But the plan is make it ambigous.

My Idea Was that structurly it would go>>>>

New Opening, Plans Stolen we do not see DSII only Endor

Dagobah Yoda Dies luke leaves after he and Obi-wan talk

Vader goes DSII

The Exchange (Plans delivered)

Luke Arrives Tattoine (Beggars Canyon?)

Vader Contacts Luke Meditation chamber (deleted Scene)

Tattoine sequence with Droids / Jabbas Palce /Sail Barge

Luke Falcon Part Ways

Emporer arrives at DSII

Millennium falcon meets the fleet.

And then it's all back on track more or less.

I also thought about adding modified flash backs showing Luke's mind which is what would trigger Vader to contact him. So that he would Imagine Vader Pursuing Him Down the Death star trench whist flying through Beggars Canyon >> Obviously Vader contacts him after this.

When Luke looks at his Hand in the X-wing after Tattooine I also thought about seeing it being chopped off again with the Audio of Lukes "Nooooo!" with echo effect and Vader reaching out to him " I'll Never Join you!" Echoing over the image of Vader reaching out to him. we then cut back to the x-wing and see Luke and the new Line "I need to be alone for a while...."

That is my complete take for the first half... I doubt the Flashbacks would work as star wars does not do flashbacks really. But as it is the concluding part It would help bring some of these momments back to show their history haunting him. Ben has also told Luke by this point that Darth Vader is his father so lukes mind is plagued by the past or atleast that was my thinking.

If these flash back scenes would work would it be worth showing Vader Being constructed from ROTS after he speaks to Luke on Endor... there is a shot of Vader gazing out the window would that work at this point? It's probably the best scene in ROTS too....Just a thought anyway.

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aalenfae said:

As much as I respect the originals, I really don't think it'd be a good idea to use Shaw. 

People always argue that Shaw IS Anakin Skywalker, but... frankly, the Prequels WERE made, and Hayden WAS cast as Anakin. Hayden is Anakin Skywalker, and for the sake of the Saga, it should be Anakin Skywalker who appears at the end.

Shaw played an important part as the man behind the mask - but his voice and appearance really shouldn't be the basis for the formation of the Anakin character - considering we only can go on what we have in the movies, which is only about a minute or so of an old, broken man's labored last words. 

I really don't see it as disrespect to "rob" Shaw of the last few seconds he appears as a ghost. And for the sake of the full-circle of the Saga, it probably should be Hayden.

BUT! It should NOT be the Hayden we see in the DVD and Blu-Ray. They should have made him look as old as he's supposed to be (What would it be? Like 50?).
So I'd suggest maybe taking Hayden's head from another of his movies where his hairstyle isn't so rouge-like, and maybe grey him up a little bit digitally. If you really want to go the extra mile, add in some wrinkles and you're set.  

 

 

 

And concerning a scene about the stolen plans...
I really like the idea of showing it, but I'm just a little afraid of how it affects the style in relation to other Star Wars movies. This is the kind of scene you'd see in a cold opening, which is a lot more "modern" than the overall retro style of the Star Wars movies.
Is there a way to incorporate this idea more into the flow of the script?  

I'm not a PT hater like many.  I appreciate them for what they are: inferior Star Wars stories of lesser canon in my mind, but still enjoyable and canon to me.  I hear what you're going for.  My reason for Shaw is two-fold: 1) Shaw is older, and older actors are often used to play the same character instead of altering the younger actor via CGI or makeup.  On top of that, Shaw is the actor Luke saw under the mask (and thus would recognize as a ghost), and it was at this older age when Anakin was redeemed and died; after all, it's the old Kenobi Force ghost we see.  And 2), it does seem more respectful to me to include Shaw.

That said, respect isn't that big a deal anymore to me.  Several actors played in scenes and never actually made it on screen because their parts were cut.  And I see your point about including Christiansen.  As long as he were "old-ified," I'd consider that a respectable compromise, especially since you'd be the one doing the effect.

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Ronster said:

aalenfae said:

As much as I respect the originals, I really don't think it'd be a good idea to use Shaw. 

People always argue that Shaw IS Anakin Skywalker, but... frankly, the Prequels WERE made, and Hayden WAS cast as Anakin. Hayden is Anakin Skywalker, and for the sake of the Saga, it should be Anakin Skywalker who appears at the end.

Shaw played an important part as the man behind the mask - but his voice and appearance really shouldn't be the basis for the formation of the Anakin character - considering we only can go on what we have in the movies, which is only about a minute or so of an old, broken man's labored last words. 

I really don't see it as disrespect to "rob" Shaw of the last few seconds he appears as a ghost. And for the sake of the full-circle of the Saga, it probably should be Hayden.

BUT! It should NOT be the Hayden we see in the DVD and Blu-Ray. They should have made him look as old as he's supposed to be (What would it be? Like 50?).
So I'd suggest maybe taking Hayden's head from another of his movies where his hairstyle isn't so rouge-like, and maybe grey him up a little bit digitally. If you really want to go the extra mile, add in some wrinkles and you're set.  

 

 

 

And concerning a scene about the stolen plans...
I really like the idea of showing it, but I'm just a little afraid of how it affects the style in relation to other Star Wars movies. This is the kind of scene you'd see in a cold opening, which is a lot more "modern" than the overall retro style of the Star Wars movies.
Is there a way to incorporate this idea more into the flow of the script?  

I like your Mock-up but I think either have the Original Ghost or no Ghost.

Your right Alanfae that's what I am scared of too because I don't want to ruin it and spoil things, like you say more modern may not fit. But the plan is make it ambigous.

My Idea Was that structurly it would go>>>>

New Opening, Plans Stolen we do not see DSII only Endor

Dagobah Yoda Dies luke leaves after he and Obi-wan talk

Vader goes DSII

The Exchange (Plans delivered)

Luke Arrives Tattoine (Beggars Canyon?)

Vader Contacts Luke Meditation chamber (deleted Scene)

Tattoine sequence with Droids / Jabbas Palce /Sail Barge

Luke Falcon Part Ways

Emporer arrives at DSII

Millennium falcon meets the fleet.

And then it's all back on track more or less.

I also thought about adding modified flash backs showing Luke's mind which is what would trigger Vader to contact him. So that he would Imagine Vader Pursuing Him Down the Death star trench whist flying through Beggars Canyon >> Obviously Vader contacts him after this.

When Luke looks at his Hand in the X-wing after Tattooine I also thought about seeing it being chopped off again with the Audio of Lukes "Nooooo!" with echo effect and Vader reaching out to him " I'll Never Join you!" Echoing over the image of Vader reaching out to him. we then cut back to the x-wing and see Luke and the new Line "I need to be alone for a while...."

That is my complete take for the first half... I doubt the Flashbacks would work as star wars does not do flashbacks really. But as it is the concluding part It would help bring some of these momments back to show their history haunting him. Ben has also told Luke by this point that Darth Vader is his father so lukes mind is plagued by the past or atleast that was my thinking.

Why do the Rebels fire on Bossk?  That seems pretty treacherous for the good guys.

I'm concerned as well about style matching.  I think the points about it not fitting well with the rest of the film are valid, though the ideas are quite interesting.  I'm still debating this internally, but I still may be leaning towards my naturally conservative side.  But the votes are still open, and we don't know how it will turn out.  I just am concerned it will be too different from the rest of the film, my big problem with other parts of the SE.

EDIT: Of all the versions of the DSII info exchange, this thing with Bossk does feel closest to the original film, though the Bothan infiltrator scenario was most interesting.

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Rebels Fire because they Don't quite trust what has happened their afraid of a trap....they think that mabey a trap is set now. There Human not that Goody Goody they suspect empire involvement.

Darth_Ender I am just trying to do my best, and I accept your concerns as they are my own also but I am trying to fill the gaps in plot whilst trying to remain faithful to the original effects by using existing footage where possible to maintain the look and feel and expand upon the plot a bit without trying to have to film new footage and be somewhat plausible too that is all.

The main reason is to make the pruposed structure work and it all flow in a timely fluid manner.

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If you wanted to swap the Tantive in my mock up Opening scene suggestions for this no probs but would need to look old and a bit rustier and as non cgi as possible it would also help it feel more different and new as a scene that is.