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Pagz
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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21-Jul-2004, 12:48 PM
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Ok..................The Trade dispute is due to the HEAVY taxing BY THE REPUBLIC SENATE of space TRADING lanes used largely by THE TRADE FEDERATION. Outraged by having to pay more, on top of already extravagant taxes, the Trade Federation protest by blockading the taxations biggest supporter.....NABOO. Who is principal for getting the tax through the Senate?
Thats right.................. Palpatine.


OKay, where is all this information coming from? because it's certainly not coming from the movie. The opening crawl merely tells us that the taxation of trade routes is in dispute. That's it. If naboo was the primary supporter of the taxation, we need to find out about that, but even so, that does not neccessarily explain the blockade, and certainly not the invasion. Why blockade a small, out of the way planet like Naboo, when they could go after a much higher profile planet, say Alderaan. If they're trying to make a political point, blockading a small, peaceful planet is not the best way to go about it. Unfortunately, this still doesn't explain why the Trade Federation would invade the Naboo. What would there be for them to gain from it? Nothing. What could they lose? Everything. It seems to me that while the blockade possibly has political justifications (although they are never discussed in the film, which is a *big* problem) there is absolutely no reason for the Federation to escalate things by invading Naboo.

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Who's responsible for ensuring the Trade Federation know who actioned the proposed taxation?
That's right..................Darth Sidious


Again, where is this information coming from? I can only assume this might be information imparted in the novelization. I haven't read the novelization since '99 so I don't truly remember. That's beside the point though, we're talking about the movie here, and as far as the movie goes, this is information that is never revealed to the audience. That being the case, this remains a signifigant plot hole in the film. You shouldn't have to read the novelization to fill in the blanks, especially when this is a movie, and not an adaption of a novel.

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3.) Technology. <snip>
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Ok thats a fair point...it's also one that I've heard since TPM came out & one that I don't really see a problem with. You have to remember that by the time the OT comes along the Rebellion has been a thorn in the side of the Empire for near on 20 years. After 20 years of fighting I'm pretty sure that the technology they're using would not so much take a step back from that used in the PT as be more hashed together. If we look back at our own history during World War 2 although weapons of war advanced (tanks, rockets, nuclear bombs read: At-At's, Star Destroyers, Death Star super laser), the ability to provide the raw materials to build these and other weapons/equipment for the soldiers began to run out, I remember reading that canvas was stretched over tanks where they had not enough steel to fully armour them.


The difference here is that the Empire is not confined to a single continents worth of raw materials. The Galactic Empire is pretty big, and it can pull raw materials from anywhere, it can even mine asteroids for raw materials. I suspect that a materials shortage is not to blame here. Perhaps for the rebellion, but not the Empire. And remember, the Rebellion won its *first* major victory when they captured the death star plans. The rebellion isn't what I would consider a full scale war. It's small, and it makes strategic strikes at the empire, but it's certainly not large enough to engage in all out war on the Empire. That being the case, there probably isn't a shortage on materials.

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As fo the interfaces being more primitive in the OT.............well sorry to say it but YES IT IS DUE TO PRIMITIVE SFX AT THE TIME OF MAKING THE OT. I'm sure when the 468th release on dvd comes along someone at ILM will have touched them up & they'll be as super duper as they are in the PT. BTw on a personal note i was under the impression that the displays looked very similar to the Ot, but maybe thats just me!


Absolutely, it is because the effects were primitive in 77. The problem is that no effort was made in the PT to match the displays to the OT. Hence the impression of more advanced technology.

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To be honest the only reason that is there is to seperate the 2 Jedi so 1 can be killed whilst the other watchs.....Nuff said!


Certainly, the problem stems from the way in which these Jedi were seperated. Forgetting the completely nonsensical shield corridor, Obi-Wan, even if he was tired, had plenty of time to rest up waiting outside the shield gate to be able to force run when they opened, but instead, he just runs normally, and gets trapped one shield away from where he needs to be. I have no problem with the seperation, my problem is that they introduced a Jedi power at the beginning of the film, and then chucked it when said power would have been usefull. Had they never introduced the force run, I'd have no problem (except, of course, with the corridor and what the hell the logic is behind its operation)


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ok ok ok ok my last comment cuz im bored & tired now......................DOES STAR WARS EXIST IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY? DO STAR WARS CHARACTERS SEEM OBSESSED WITH HAVING THE NEWEST T-16 SkyHopper TO BOMB AROUND IN OR DO THEY MERELY SEEM TO HAVE ONE SPACESHIP, ONE BLASTER & ONE SET OF CLOTHES (EXCEPT FOR PADME)?????????????????????????????????????????????? we're talking about science fiction here, not real life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


Actually, there are plenty of examples in the films to indicate that it's a capitalist society. Luke selling his speeder, complaining that since the new model came out no one wants the one he just sold. Uncle Owen buying used droids from the Jawas,. The very existence of smugglers. Cloud City Mining colony. The existence of Gangsters. Wattos junk shop where you can get parts for all manner of ships and vehicles. The stormtroopers on the deathstar chatting idly about the new land speeder that's just come out as ben Kenobi deactivates the tractor beam.

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Does it REALLY matter that the droids they use in the PT are the same they use in the OT?


Nope, it doesn't. However, that doesn't mean it's not a plot hole. It's an inconsequential detail, but it's still a plot hole, regardless of its overall importance.