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What a piece of beauty :-) Looks like I'll have to revamp my German crawl...
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timdiggerm said:
Apparently I am bad at reading today and shouldn't've said what I said. Thus...
December 24 - Christmas Eve
December 25 - Christmas
December 26 - Boxing Day
Really ? Interesting, thanks. We use here the equivalent of the word "Christmas" for all 3 days
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The crawl looks nice :-)
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What a piece of beauty :-) Looks like I'll have to revamp my German crawl...
Thanks :-) You may have to, because of the starfield, because the pandown was recreated from scratch using this new starfield (it's not only brightened, it's also repositioned to fit with the way it originally was).
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Harmy, your work continues to amaze me. I'm sorry I first thought this was a joke! You have some true talent and I totally loved what you did to the crawl.
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Thanks, I'm glad you like it. The only thing I'm going to redo (actually rendering right now) is slightly re-timing the pandown in order for Tatooine to appear on the music cue.
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Well, looks like once again i'm the voice of dissent... Harmy, the stars in the crawl looks nice and bright in your clip but i don't see why you would change it from the way it was in the original release (unless some theatrical reference shows the stars being that bright?), you are trying to recreate the the theatrical release, not change the films according to your own preferences right? Or has this project changed at some point into something more similar to what adywan is doing, creating your own version of the films?
Another thing, the brighter stars during the crawl create a starfield brightness continuety error, when the crawl ends and the shot pans down, the brightness of the stars in the crawl background are clearly much brighter than the stars in the background when the Tantive IV fly by and the division between those two starfield backgrounds with totally different brightness levels is very obvious and noticable, at least to me.
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I can't speak for him but I think he is doing the theatrical version which he has said many times.
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Man, I wish I could access megaupload right now.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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I can't speak for him but I think he is doing the theatrical version which he has said many times.
Yeah Troyig88 I know, which is why I find a change like this a little strange to say the least, not to mention introducing problems with continuety.
At face value it seems very unlike Harmy, that has always put the utmost importance in reproducing the theatrical release as accurately as possible. Were the stars that bright during the scroll in the theatrical release? Is there a source that suggests that they were? I'm not old enough to have seen the theatrical release in the cinemas so I have no idea whatsoever. I'm pretty sure they're not that bright in the GOUT and they're definately not in the blu-ray either. It'd be nice to hear from Harmy why he decided that the stars needed to be brightened so much.
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From what I've seen of some 35mm film scans of ESB, the starfields in the film are both brighter and seem much more populated than what is apparent in the GOUT. I imagine it's also the case with the other films. Harmy often uses film scans and theatrical photos as references, which is why his versions often deviate from the GOUT. Certainly there's also a lot of guesswork, but the goal is to re-create the theatrical version, not the GOUT.
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From what I've seen of some 35mm film scans of ESB, the starfields in the film are both brighter and seem much more populated than what is apparent in the GOUT. I imagine it's also the case with the other films. Harmy often uses film scans and theatrical photos as references, which is why his versions often deviate from the GOUT. Certainly there's also a lot of guesswork, but the goal is to re-create the theatrical version, not the GOUT.
I haven't seen all those sources so i can't make a judgement on that but even if the starfield was that bright and numerous, the fact remains that a continuety problem is created which is very noticable in the clip. If Harmy were to brighten the stars in the background when the Tantive IV passes to match the stars in the scroll background, there would be no problem whatsoever and everything would be seemless. As it is, the difference in star brightness between the two backgrounds is very noticable and IMHO very distracting.
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OMEN!-_-! said:I haven't seen all those sources so i can't make a judgement on that but even if the starfield was that bright and numerous, the fact remains that a continuety problem is created which is very noticable in the clip. If Harmy were to brighten the stars in the background when the Tantive IV passes to match the stars in the scroll background, there would be no problem whatsoever and everything would be seemless. As it is, the difference in star brightness between the two backgrounds is very noticable and IMHO very distracting.
I see what you're talking about but I'm not sure if it's within the realm of acceptable variation (judgement call), based on variation in the film source (fidelity), or just an oversight. Certainly worth pointing out, it can't hurt.
It's certainly possible the stars become dimmer in the film as the bright planet comes into the frame. If it happened in the theatre, I want it happening in the DE's too. I also want unrealistic skin tones if they were unrealistic in the theatre too, so maybe it's just me ;)
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From Mike's 4k image and other sources I've seen, it's quite apparent that the stars definitely were very big and bright in the original releases, and I absolutely love seeing it presented this way at last.
It's equally apparent that the pan and flyby will have to be re-done in order to keep a consistent continuity in the stars' brightness level. As it is, the cut between sources is instantly noticeable and the much dimmer stars look bad in comparison. This is not a subtle problem.
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That new crawl image is utterly amazing Harmy. Keep up the good work!
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curse you megaupload and your unavailable links!
i will be clicking you every 30 seconds until my demands are met
EDIT: just got done watching it and WOW...that was superb. the stars changing wasn't that noticable to me as it was for some other people. Although it would be nice if it could be fixed. also the ending was a riot.
Where's my damn medal?
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OMEN!-_-! said:
Troyig88 said:
I can't speak for him but I think he is doing the theatrical version which he has said many times.
Yeah Troyig88 I know, which is why I find a change like this a little strange to say the least, not to mention introducing problems with continuety.
At face value it seems very unlike Harmy, that has always put the utmost importance in reproducing the theatrical release as accurately as possible. Were the stars that bright during the scroll in the theatrical release? Is there a source that suggests that they were? I'm not old enough to have seen the theatrical release in the cinemas so I have no idea whatsoever. I'm pretty sure they're not that bright in the GOUT and they're definately not in the blu-ray either. It'd be nice to hear from Harmy why he decided that the stars needed to be brightened so much.
Even if you had seen the film in 77/78 in the theater like I did there is no way you would remember how bright the stars were....
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OMEN!-_-! said:
Troyig88 said:
I can't speak for him but I think he is doing the theatrical version which he has said many times.
Yeah Troyig88 I know, which is why I find a change like this a little strange to say the least, not to mention introducing problems with continuety.
At face value it seems very unlike Harmy, that has always put the utmost importance in reproducing the theatrical release as accurately as possible. Were the stars that bright during the scroll in the theatrical release? Is there a source that suggests that they were? I'm not old enough to have seen the theatrical release in the cinemas so I have no idea whatsoever. I'm pretty sure they're not that bright in the GOUT and they're definately not in the blu-ray either. It'd be nice to hear from Harmy why he decided that the stars needed to be brightened so much.
Even if you had seen the film in 77/78 in the theater like I did there is no way you would remember how bright the stars were....
Speak for yourself. What a presumptuous statement. Please turn down the ego just a bit. I saw the movie in theater DOZENS of times , and yes the stars were very bright and visible.
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vbangle said:
JohnStewart said:
OMEN!-_-! said:
Troyig88 said:
I can't speak for him but I think he is doing the theatrical version which he has said many times.
Yeah Troyig88 I know, which is why I find a change like this a little strange to say the least, not to mention introducing problems with continuety.
At face value it seems very unlike Harmy, that has always put the utmost importance in reproducing the theatrical release as accurately as possible. Were the stars that bright during the scroll in the theatrical release? Is there a source that suggests that they were? I'm not old enough to have seen the theatrical release in the cinemas so I have no idea whatsoever. I'm pretty sure they're not that bright in the GOUT and they're definately not in the blu-ray either. It'd be nice to hear from Harmy why he decided that the stars needed to be brightened so much.
Even if you had seen the film in 77/78 in the theater like I did there is no way you would remember how bright the stars were....
Speak for yourself. What a presumptuous statement. Please turn down the ego just a bit. I saw the movie in theater DOZENS of times , and yes the stars were very bright and visible.
Really? Give me a break! There is NOW WAY THAT ANY OF US can remember exactly how bright the starrs were in a film from 33 years ago! No way in HELL! I saw the film 34 times in the theater from May 25th 1977 all the way through July of 1978 and I can honestly say there is no way I can remember what they looked like back then!
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I can't do that. Here's what happens when when you brighten the flyby the same way as the crawl starfield:
The starfields seem to have been eaten up by some process other than just darkening the picture, so when you brighten it enough to bring them out, you blow out everything else...
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yep, you would have to create traveling mattes for the planet and ships in order to brighten the stars separately.
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And the moons and the laser blasts. And it would probably introduce a whole new bunch of problems...
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Play nice, children. Santa's watching...
Where were you in '77?
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And the moons and the laser blasts. And it would probably introduce a whole new bunch of problems...
I think M Verta did this very thing in order to restore the star field. I don't know how much time it would take to do this, but maybe a couple people here could help out.
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OK, I just realized that the way I'm doing them, there would be no need to re-rotoscope the lasers for the starfield. But the biggest problem that I can foresee is the blue light from the engines at the end.
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