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Pagz
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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21-Jul-2004, 1:05 AM
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because Palpatine told them to, because Padme was young and easy to maniputate, and remeber the line in TPM "our situation will create a sympathy vote for us." Palpi told them to in order to became the Supreme Chancelor.

I'm sorry, but because the bad guy said so is not a good enough reason. The Trade Federation guys need to be getting something more out of it. Now, obviously they know that Sidious has some pull in the Senate, but they certainly don't know that he is Palpatine. So, there has to be some kind of monetary gain they expect to get out of this action. The problem is, nothing of the kind is ever made clear in the film. It's all well and good to say they have their reasons, but this is a movie, and plot points and motivations require some kind of explanation if they are to be accepted. On top of this, there's just no way Palpatine could have predicted the outcome that precisely. "Always in motion is the future". Certainly his motivations are political, but the issue here is not why Palpatine told them to do it, but why they went along with him. It's very doubtfull that he would have shared his plans with them, that would give them ammunition to use against him, Palpatine isn't that stupid, so there has to be something else to motivate their actions. The problem is it's never stated in the film, hence it's a plot hole.

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2.) The Jedi wear the same robes Obi-Wan did in ANH...<snip>
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everyone thought he was dead, even the people on Tatooine, so why not? and no one knew that he was a jedi. and his robe were on exactly like the jedi robes in the PT. and i think there are alot of ppl in the galaxy that dress in robes.

So your arguement is that lots of people where robes? Sorry, again that doesn't really cut it. The truth is that it's an oversight on GL's part. Sure, everyone thinks the jedi have been purged, but look at it this way. Say we one day decide to "purge" police officers. Then, this guy shows up in your city, keeps to himself, he's a hermit, but oddly, he's wearing a cops uniform all the time. Does this not make you suspicious? Granted, that's an extreme case. What I'm getting at is this, clearly, the clothing Kenobi wore on Tatooine was chosen to blend in with the natives. Look at Luke in ROTJ, what he's wearing is far more practical and functional than what Kenobi wore. Why would the Jedi dress in loose fitting, cumbersome, heavy robes? They aren't monks, they're keepers of the peace. They basically officers of the law, yet they dress in a manner that would hinder them in such a pursuit? I don't think so. What has obviously happened is that People just associate what Kenobi wore with Jedi, and so thats what they expect. The average viewer isn't thinking about why Kenobi is dressed the way he is, they just go "jedi=monks robes" and that's it.

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3.) Technology. It's a lot more advanced in the PT than in the OT.<snip>
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its not, and seriously this arguemnt is starting to f*ckin piss me off.


You'll have to come to terms with it, because I'm afraid it is.

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the reason they LOOK more advanced is because they use CGI, but in fact if you were to look at it more carefully, then you woulds see that it is not more advanced.


Really? What do you base this on? Seems to me that every single computer display and read out in the PT is far in advance of the sub 8-bit raster graphics of the OT. Why do the targeting and heads up displays in the naboo fighters make use of such advanced graphical capabilities when the Tie Fighters and X-Wings of the OT era are barely stick figure representations on the screen?

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is there anything like a Death star in the PT


No, but the Death star is not the measure by which we judge technical advancement. Not to mention, the design for the Death Satr exists by Episode II, the only reason it's not around is because the Empire is not around to build it yet. You'll notice that the blueprints for it in Episode II are much more advanced than they appear in Episode IV. The issue here is that no effort was made to match the displays of the PT to the displays of the OT, and as such, the OT displays, which were cutting edge back in the late 70's, look ridiculously dated, especially by comparison to the slick graphics used in the PT. It's a visual inconsistency which makes the PT technology appear more advanced than the OT.

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the transports in AOTC look primitive in a sense,


I wouldn't say they look primitive, just different. In fact, looking at the walkers of the PT, I think they look more advanced than the AT-ATs of the OT. They move faster, they seem more functional, being of a size that can be transoprted by a gunship. There's nothing about the walkers of the PT that says to me "these are certainly older and less sophisticated than the AT-ATs"

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maybe you should read some of the SW novels like the thrawn trilogy, SDs are far far far more advance then anything in the PT. the Tie fighters are fast and more nimble than the Naboo fighters, as are the x-wings, and y-wings.


I've read the Thrawn trilogy many times, I'm rereading it right now in fact. That has nothing to do with this arguement though. you can't rely on the books to prove your point, you can only look to the films. It's the visual evidence that we need to weigh here, not the EU. Has there been anything in the PT which definitively shows that the PT ships and tech are less sophisticated than the OT? the answer is no. In fact, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. More sophisticated displays, Star Destroyed like ships capable of landing ona planet, faster walkers that can be carried by gunships, battle droids with built in shield generators, the tactical display of the Geonosian war room, Land speeders that are all so far beyond Luke's landspeeder in ANH. All of it points to technology in advance of the OT.

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4.) Protocol droids from 30 years before the OT are identical to the ones in the OT. <snip>
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ok, tell me why would you fix something that works.


Let me answer your question with another. Why do car companies continue to put out new models every year? Why do electronics companies continue to make newer Televisions, microwaves, DVD players, stereos, VCRs, cell phones, etc... Just because the technology works, doesn't mean the manufacturers just stop. The key to competitive business is continual innovation to make your product more desirable than your competitors.

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the droids were great then so why change what they look like.


For the same reason that car companies continue to produce new models and new designs.


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the other things that comes to minds is the fact that, in a civilization that has lasted for 4000 years, they have prefected driod design to the point where doing any more may not be productive.


That seems unlikely considering how poorly droids walk.

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