C3PS said:

Whoa, over night this thread has turned into a sea of longwinded Darth Ender posts. Not even sure where to begin in responded to them, or if I should even bother to respond, given he has already stated that nothing will ever change his mind on the subject

You don't feel it is ignorant to attack the debater rather than the debate point? To me, the above quote sounds like that is what you are doing. To be fair to you, I also thought you were referring to me alone when calling the debate boring and close-minded and that you'd heard my points many times before. If you feel the same applies to all parties, which now I believe you are, I won't feel so offended.

I am passionate on the topic. I don't want to turn into twooffour here, so maybe I'll just step out of this debate for a couple of days. Let me try one last time to be concise, and from there I won't respond for a few days. Let me just say that I believe in a very grey world. Look at my politics arguments on torture, war, and supporting third world dictators. But when it comes to innocent human life, I see no grey area. If it comes between one person's life and the other person's worsened health and inconvenience, I choose the life.

And I'm sorry to do this, but I have to pre-empt any argument on the dictators who kill or justified war. If I believe that the end result will save more innocent lives in the long run, I feel that the ends may unfortunately justify the means.

Peace.