It isn't an ignorant debating tactic, sorry you feel that way.

I appreciate your passion on this topic, I assure you, when I was younger I was making most of the same points you are now, I've not only heard your point of view, but more or less held it. Since then I have seen and dealt with a lot of crap that has swayed me.

Just because I support it, doesn't mean I find it pleasant or ideal.

Warbler said:

CP3S said:

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I wonder what CP3S originally said here.

Double post. Merged it into one. All these double, triple, and quadruple posts are making my head hurt. Nothing was removed.