C3PS, I admitted I would be long-winded beforehand, and I also admitted that I would not change my mind. Humorous you would call it a close-minded debate, as I've yet to see you change your mind in any of your arguments. This was meant to be a debate thread (see the title), and I doubt you or your colleagues are being any more open-minded to the opposite point of view. You're always quite welcome to not respond if you feel you've read them too many times before. I've read your point of view plenty as well, whether typed by your own fingers or someone who thinks just like you. But if you don't have the nerve to try to respond to what appears to be a minority opinion here, then go exercise your First Amendment rights somewhere else instead of simply making a mockery of your debating opponent.