twister111 said:
darth_ender said:
By the unanimous vote of all twister111s here, I am starting a thread devoted to the debate of abortion.
Anyway coincidently I was thinking about the walking dead's Pro-life message during it's zombie apocalypse premise a few days ago. It really got me thinking about the subject of abortion as weird as that is...
So I thought about the whole side of the debate of "a fetus is undoubtedly a person from the point of conception". Well then lets look at that from that perspective completely. Yes it being a person affords the right to live. Though the right to live comes with certain consequences to your actions. A starving person doesn't usually get away with stealing food. In spite of plenty of people treating their pants as food theft 'r us. Still without eating a person will die. Then what right does another individual have to force another to eat foods they don't normally eat, force bodily changes, cause them to throw up, force them to carry them around for 9 months, and kick the inside of their body? Essentially stealing nutrients from her to live. Now if it's that woman's choice to let those things happen then hey congrats! New life! Yay people are happy!
However if a woman doesn't want a kid for various reasons why force her to go through all that? Yes a life will be lost, but shouldn't she have the right to self defence? What I mean about that "self defence" point is that in a way that's what abortion is. It's protection from the injuries incurred during childbirth, the bodily changes, the weight gain, getting sick. The quality of health for that person is a lot better aborting early. Hypothetically you hear a story on the news where a Woman had to get 20 stitches, or another story with a huge cut across her abdomen. Then you hear that she could've avoided such injury. It's hard not to instantly jump to the thought of "well why didn't you stop that?!" Isn't it? Even though you know I'm talking about a baby being born.
All that said yes I realize a kid can be a wonderful, wondrous, and inspiring bit of joy to enter someone's life. I just recognize that the situation isn't completely black and white. There are too many variables to every situation to conclusively say "Yes you must keep the kid alive, because we say so!" I've only scratched the surface here. There's also the quality of life for the child after it's born, coming into the world unwanted already, and hell I could write an entire book on all the different variables for deciding to abort.
Finally, I do feel that there are some situations where it's distasteful to abort. Mostly when the kid is close to being born. Got a 9 month alert window and you decide to wait until it's close to being fully formed to want an abortion??? What??? At that point just procrastinate for a little while longer, give birth, give the baby up for adoption.
Consequences to your actions? Whose actions? I think the only people who made a choice here are the parents who had sexual intercourse. Who is so stupid that they don't know that sex leads to babies? Mom and Dad made the choice, not the child. Don't you think that they should be the ones to face consequences for their actions?
See my comparison to the invalids who contribute little and consume much when you think of your stealing food analogy. Life is full of extremely inconvenient situations and people. If the easiest way to eliminate that inconvenience is to take a human life, that still doesn't make it right. Think of a woman in an abusive relationship. This man threatens to stalk her and hunt her down wherever she goes. The easiest course of action may be to simply shoot him while he sleeps. That's self-defense, right? I think you know that is wrong. How could it be wrong to kill an evil man who makes evil choices, yet perfectly acceptable to kill an innocent child who has made no choices but is rather the product of someone else's irresponsible choices?
I of all people am stuck in grey land. I better than most, I feel, know that life is not black and white. Read through the politics thread from page 406 on and you will get a taste of my pragmatic personality. I see ideals, and I see reality, and I conclude that in our present state of humanity, we cannot simply stick to our perfect world hopes at all times. But when it comes to abortion, I see very, very little grey. You are taking an innocent person's life. I've mentioned my grey area, and even there I think that much consideration should be given before performing an abortion.