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Finally took a long, proper look at this adywan...WOW!

The ridiculous amount of neat enhancements you've achieved during this entire sequence is truly amazing, when compared to the original 'Special Edition' version...and this whole thing looks even more impressive throughout than I ever hoped for at the start of your efforts.

In my next post I'm going to list as much of the great stuff that you've done on this clip, as I can, as well as enquire about a couple of little things.

Thanks for this very welcome Christmas preview.  Awesome work once again!  :)

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Angel said:

This video is very good but it proves a point about the different blending edges that are too obvious because we have real life explosions and artificial ones.


What bugs me most is ,appart some mask errors, when the lightsaber flashes appear when vader advances on Luke(we see luke's back) but its an easy task to be fixed,is the edge blending.

When you are using a mask to substract the edge(futhered or not) seems wahshed out. What it needs to be is to get the original feel when an overexposured light burns the edges of a dark object.

In the case of this video and most of the new effects that added(mostly glows and flashes) are too clean to simulate the feel and the proper burning


This example below might give an idea of what i mean.

Original

Simple mask

Better edges.


Do you see the difference as a more accurate film feel?

Not the best example of saving the washed out edge arround Luke's head still you might get a taste.

The inbetween edges between the glow and the obsured object must contain color and edge effects.

It has to have the edge like it was printed and burned the pixels not just substracting the object. :)


-Angel

The man's got a point, and a strong one.Ady wants ESB:R to look like what it is: a film of the 80's, only that with improved technical quality. But yet a film, not a digital transfer.

What Angel is claiming is directly related to how a film phisically behave as a consequence of the rotoscoping and exposure process the analogical FX for a lightsabre needs.

So, in terms of "real 80`s look" he's being accurate. There's never (before the digital era) been a "perfect" mask, since it always ends up burning a little bit of the original print benneath it.

Greetings!

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i kind of like how the lightsaber retraction looks slower. It feels....sinister? I dunno, but me gusta.

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I think it should retract faster, if it takes 6 frames to retract a whole lightsabre, it should take less to see just a part of it retract.

 

PS: Where are you from Mr Insane?

 

Greetings!

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doubleofive said:

 

Captain Antilles said:


Ady, would I be correct in assuming that the audio in the Christmas clip is just temp audio?
Yes.

 

That would explain it perhaps. It needs to be alot louder being that close to the POV.

the lower frequencies of the sound should be increased at that close range also... if it still does not sound right then use a different sample alltogether. .

 

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Mithrandir said:

Angel said:

Do you see the difference as a more accurate film feel?

Not the best example of saving the washed out edge arround Luke's head still you might get a taste.

The inbetween edges between the glow and the obsured object must contain color and edge effects.

It has to have the edge like it was printed and burned the pixels not just substracting the object. :)


-Angel

The man's got a point, and a strong one.Ady wants ESB:R to look like what it is: a film of the 80's, only that with improved technical quality. But yet a film, not a digital transfer.

What Angel is claiming is directly related to how a film phisically behave as a consequence of the rotoscoping and exposure process the analogical FX for a lightsabre needs.

So, in terms of "real 80`s look" he's being accurate. There's never (before the digital era) been a "perfect" mask, since it always ends up burning a little bit of the original print benneath it.

Greetings!

I wish I could see what you guys see.....Clearly I don't have an eye for this sort of thing. To me it's the same identical pic. And that's with pressing my eyeballs up to an IPS screen. 

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aalenfae said:

Alexrd said:

The clip looks great. The only issue I noticed were the edges around Vader and Luke on this scene. The give a noticeable glow effect, specially around Vader.

Here's a screenshot.

The difference between the two is that there's added blue color along the edge of Luke's head, as well as a sharper edge. 

Look at Vader's cape.

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brash_stryker said:

Mithrandir said:

Angel said:

Do you see the difference as a more accurate film feel?

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-Angel

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I wish I could see what you guys see.....Clearly I don't have an eye for this sort of thing. To me it's the same identical pic. And that's with pressing my eyeballs up to an IPS screen. 

Take a look at Luke's face area. In the second pic, it's a teensy-weensy bit less blurry.

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Davnes007 said:


brash_stryker said:

I wish I could see what you guys see.....Clearly I don't have an eye for this sort of thing. To me it's the same identical pic. And that's with pressing my eyeballs up to an IPS screen. 
Take a look at Luke's face area. In the second pic, it's a teensy-weensy bit less blurry.
He's right. Definitely worth redoing all of the effects. Thanks, Angel.

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Angel's mockup really only subtly illustrates the effect he seems to be going for.

Watch the Mustafar duel in RotS closely. Pay special attention to when the sabers pass behind the actors. You often get the color of the saber glow bleeding over the edges, which is the realistic film interaction that Angel is talking about  -  something they actually got right in RotS. 

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RotS is probably most stupid and least realistic lightsabres ever looked IMO.

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doubleofive said:

 

Davnes007 said:


brash_stryker said:

I wish I could see what you guys see.....Clearly I don't have an eye for this sort of thing. To me it's the same identical pic. And that's with pressing my eyeballs up to an IPS screen. 
Take a look at Luke's face area. In the second pic, it's a teensy-weensy bit less blurry.
He's right. Definitely worth redoing all of the effects. Thanks, Angel.

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As with all things Revisited, I hope the creed remains "Do it right, even it takes forever".

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timdiggerm said:


As with all things Revisited, I hope the creed remains "Do it right, even it takes forever".
But for something most of us including Adywan can't see the difference, even when it's pointed out. I'm not saying we see the difference and don't think its a big deal, we can't see the difference.

If someone can make a video showing how much better it will look at 24 frames a second, I'm sure Adywan will consider it.

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Harmy said:

RotS is probably most stupid and least realistic lightsabres ever looked IMO.

I'll have to agree with you - however, I'm not talking about the sabers themselves. Just the glow they cast from behind the actors, which IS in fact realistic.

compare these photos
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/375.jpg
Notice how the glow of the backlight bleeds over the edges?

Now, look at this random screengrab from RotS (Sorry for low quality)
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6719/saberol.png
 See how the bleed of the glow behind Anakin has a similar look to the actual photograph? That's what it really looks like when a light source is cast from behind an object. 

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timdiggerm said:

As with all things Revisited, I hope the creed remains "Do it right, even it takes forever".

Even if it means you never get to see the finished edit!?

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Harmy said:

Oh, yeah sure, I see.

Haha, alright. Not sure if you're not taking me seriously just because I'm referencing a prequel. 

But there's actually a really great example of this in Return of the Jedi, too.
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/9413/saber2.png

Notice the same glow of Luke's saber around the edges of the walkway (though it's a little bit too much, given the saber's brightness). The walkway doesn't cast a colorless mask around the saber, like it does for Vader's saber (which looks wrong for a light source)

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Yeah, I mean that I see what you mean and it is actually realistic that the glow would extend beyond the edges of the object in front of it. But that sure doesn't seem to be what Angel meant, since his picture doesn't show anything like that.

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Ah, i see what's being said now thanks to aalenfae's explanation. i just could see what angel was trying to say. well the clip isn't a new render and was an older render of this scene which i was going to upload for the 2nd unit quite a few months ago, but forgot about it with everything that happened with my father. As you can see in the clip the overhead matte shots are incomplete, but these were completed in October. Also there have been a few other tweaks since this original render and the gantry shot was not complete ( in this one the gantry shot had the lightsabers with an added motion blur which was just a test to see if they flowed better, but is not in the completed shot). I had this clip lying around and had forgotten about it so used this for the xmas clip. I prefer not to post fully completed scenes because i  like to keep things until the final edit. much of the masking layers were incomplete when this video was originally rendered and was more to be used as a test to check masks etc before rendering the final version. So the lightsaber glows around the masks along with the slight white edge on the cape later on in the scene weren't complete back then. here is a shot that shows a completed frame:

 

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I get it now. Angel's example was a bit too subtle then to make his point. Thanks, aalenfae, for clarifying.

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RE Bespin escape

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61vjrvcTCRU

at 0.52 you have added a spark type thing to the storm trooper that gets hit and in the original no effects were inserted at all so your obviously aware of the neglect in the original.

I found some footage of pyrotechnics you could perhaps use that does seem roughly equivqlent to what was used probably on set when filming or alternativley you could hire a pyrotechnic detonator and buy the actual pyrotechnics for not that much money and green screen the actual pyrotechnic detonating. Find a stage Lighting Hire company for this.

anyway the clip that might work 720p white air bursts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rP56CIsBTA

I like the 3rd one personally, but this is the sort of effect needed at 0.52 in your clip I think to keep it the same as the other storm troopers getting hit by lasers. Hope this helps....

 

 

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Harmy said:

RotS is probably most stupid and least realistic lightsabres ever looked IMO.

They looked fine to me, except that they had pointed edges like the AOTC ones did.