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I just popped this onto the television and it looks much brighter and richer than the official SE blu-ray going by the comparison.
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Anyone willing to upload it to another site like fileserve, filesonic, etc.?
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I just popped this onto the television and it looks much brighter and richer than the official SE blu-ray going by the comparison.
I think it looked great Ady, the lightsaber burns and the Bespin sky were awesome. I disagree with those who think Vader looks funny, I thought Vader looked awesome myself, but everyone is of course entitled to their opinion.
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I'm not 100% happy with vader helmet but there isn't much i can do but i still prefer it over the wobbly helmet any day. I may go back and try to tweak it since this was one of the first scene i did and i know a few more techniques that could be applied since then. Now i need to go back and read through a lot of pages to try and catch up.
Random question, I know, but anyway...
Ady, will you be replacing Clive Revill's name with Ian McDiarmid's in the end credits?
I never noticed the flipped chasm view until Ady fixed it.
The burn glow on the pylons is really sweet.
Gotta admit I never noticed how poor the carbon freeze vane blended in with the background before, when you see the comparison Ady's is a definite improvement
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is it just me or does something look not quite right with darths retracting saber.
everything else is spot on
Trying to DL now. Not sure if I'll be able to view it on this crappy computer though. Glad you decided to do some work on Vader's wobbly helmet. If I recall back in the day you were not sure about changing that.
greedo said:
is it just me or does something look not quite right with darths retracting saber.
everything else is spot on
Now there have been a couple of comments complaining that its retracting too slow. Now to get the retraction correct i used the scene where Vader and Luke are on Endor where vader inspects Lukes new saber. It takes 8 frames to retract from full blade to gone. The one in my video is also 8 frames. Now in the OT the blades take between 6 and 8 frames to retract (apart from ANH where they just disappear), but in the PT they only take between 4 and 6 frames. So there is no correct speed for them to retract. as long as it is between 4 and 8 frames then it will be screen correct
Captain Antilles said:
Random question, I know, but anyway...
Ady, will you be replacing Clive Revill's name with Ian McDiarmid's in the end credits?
The credits will be created from scratch so it will be Ian's name replacing Clive's.
Ronster said:
I have posted on the you tube channel for revisited but thought I would post my idea here to also see what others think of seeing vaders shuttle approach towards the end of the Hoth Battle.with reference to Vader getting to Hoth to Enter the Base he Obviously arrives via Lamda Shuttle probably with Tie Escorts. A Vader shuttle reveal might work in the scene immediatley after the AT-AT destroyed by luke falls over... there is a shot of an AT-AT shooting at troops fleeing [5.01 REF VID]. Perhaps to see the Shuttle with tie escorst in the far distance in this shot and they could be travelling from the right to the left and down in formation and then turning towards still in the distance with escort ties departing up this should be only very subtle though. The final shot of the shuttle only should be after the line "distance to power generators" it then cuts to the scene of the AT-AT shooting the snow speeder... [5.11 REF VID] Basically the shuttle should pass behind the AT-AT but fairly medium distance and carry on off screen to the left and this would make it look as if the snow speeder was attempting to pursue the shuttle only to be shot down by the AT-AT as it turns to chase. I think this would up the ante because the general has it in mind that he has already told vader to make his approach and the shield would be down in momments.
We will then have the new footage of the destroyed power generator model which presumably will cut to han and leia falling over after the explosion then running through the tunnel past c3po.
[5.55 REF VID] Immediatley after this, take the added docking bay executor scene from the ESB SE 2004 For Vader returning to the Executor from Bespin (which is being omitted I hope) and composite as foreground element only the Shuttle when Landed shot of vader walking off the shuttle. The background matte could be of the smoldering shield generator model Adywan has meticulously put together or destroyed for that matter ; with perhaps some snow troopers and a cut and paste AT-ST from ROTJ to come into frame as the camera pans and Vader walks down the ramp onto Hoth the best AT-ST could be the one that Han radio's in from to finally get into the ROTJ shield generator for the death star on Endor. I say put an AT-ST in the background only because we saw it marching ahead earlier when luke hits the ground The AT-ST Should shoot after it's head turns to either blow open a hole or door if that footage could be used. Finally Resume the footage of the rebel base invasion with Vader and the snow troopers coming in after the explosion. The Docking bay footage should probably flip so it looks like new footage but the feet of the AT-ST are not visible so some rocks or somthing might be needed to hide that in the composite....or whatever would work best. I feel these additions if they would work would truly bring Vader into the Battle on Hoth because for me it's a big gripe and I have thought long and hard about a way of possibly Bringing Vader Down to Hoth instead of just appearing out of nowhere. Sorry but do not have the skill to do this video compositing but if anyone wants to give this idea a try then great! Or thinks they have a better way to do it?
Even if there is another way to bring Vader down without adding too much it would be good to see.
I hope Vaders shuttle leaving Bespin flying towards the executor stays in this edit of ESB because of Continuity also.
I cannot wait to see the final version of the hoth battle even if none of this stuff happens to be in the final edit. Just hoping it will be equivalent to what Adywan did with battle of Yavin
Welcome Ronster. While that is an interesting idea it's something that doesn't need to happen on screen. We don't need any visual indication of how vader landed on hoth. Everything we needed to know was explained by veers when he says to Vaders hologram," the shield will be down in moments. You may start your landing", so we know he will be on his way at this point in the battle. A problem with the prequels, and many films today for that matter, is that they feel the need to talk down to the audience and explain everything in detail, whether it be in the script or visually. And this was a huge problem when it came to the special editions with the added shots of vaders shuttle leaving bespin and docking with the Executor. Not only did it completely break the whole flow of the original scene, we just really didn't need to be shown exactly how he got there especially when he originally said "bring my shuttle". So i won't be adding any form of Imperial landing craft into any of the Hoth scenes.
Ziz said:
Watching the OT on Spike right now, something I always noticed but don't remember seeing come up in the thread (although with almost 1000 pages, it's hard to go back and check for it)...
When Vader chokes Needa then turns to Piett for an update, at the end of the scene when Piett says "Alert all commands - deploy the fleet", for some reason the sound mix on that line sounds like Ben Burtt left the "comm link filter" on - it doesn't sound like Piett is there saying it but saying it over a comm channel.
Having listened to that scene again i can't see any problem with the audio apart from its slightly echoing on set audio.
aalenfae said:
I think if anything about that scene needs to be corrected/updated/fixed, it would just be the matte paintings of the chasm. They always looked a little too... papery.
On the same subject as changes, I made up a little video of suggestions for Adywan the other month, if anybody cares to take a look:
Again, some interesting ideas. I have already added a slight motion blur to the AT-AT's and have added the guns recoiling when they fire. But the one gun that isn't firing i haven't added anything to that because there is someone working on it so its probably supposed to be out of action until later on in the battle. Having vader in shot as the falcon exist the hangar wouldn't work because the falcon is flying pretty close to the ground and would have flattened vader but also he would have had to shot across the hangar at impossible speed to have moved from just entering in one shot to being on the other side in the next. Having the AT-ATs in the shot as Luke turns around would work also as that is actually a mountain range and the battlefield was a flat glacier.
sans_fi said:
I must say I prefer Vaders helmet moving than the weird effect of the head of Darth Vader now... It looks like a cardboard head, like that scene of Bruce Lee
http://youtu.be/1bAdMrMxMm0?t=1m1s
I'm sorry, but you can't say it looks anything like that.
Thanks for sharing the clip with us, Ady! Wonderful work as always, especially with the color correction.
In terms of the lightsaber retraction, I think there are two things that might be throwing off the viewer: 1) the blade is very close to camera, so it feels like it should move faster (especially since we're not seeing it from tip to hilt), and 2) when the retraction finishes, nothing happens. Something that might help is adding a brief lens flare/flash at the hilt when the retracting blade "hits" the hilt. Shortening the retraction by three frames and replacing it with three frames of flash may help it feel faster, as well as give a visual cue that the blade is being "snuffed out", albeit in a visually appealing way. Making the retraction sound effect a little louder may also help, given that it's happening in such close proximity to the camera, and therefore the viewer -- though it's possible VLC is re-mixing the audio in a different balance than you have it.
Ignition/retraction flares can be seen in the Lucas releases, so it's not unprecedented. I know they were definitely there in Episode III, though off the top of my head (and without bothering to check) I'm not sure about any of the others. As you know, lightsaber animation techniques vary wildly between the six films, so I think you have some license to do what you think looks right.
Hope this helps!
To be honest, upon first viewing, most of the fixes were lost on me. Among a very few other things, I did notice that Vader's sabre actually goes through Luke's hand now.
But what is my favourite thing about this clip and perhaps about all I've seen from ESB:R so far is that shot when they're fighting on the bridge and in the original you can see the matte edges. I already loved it in the trailer and it was great to see it in full here. It may not look like anything that spectacular compared to some other shots Ady did but it's exactly the kind of fix that I like, because it's subtle yet it adds so much to the atmosphere and look of the shot. And I can tell you guys, that it must have been a lot more work than it may seem.
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That's a matter of debate.
You say Star Wars is about Vader... Well that may be how Lucas wants it to be now but back when the OT was made it was the journey of Luke Skywalker. Lucas once said that the whole saga was about the Skywalker family (he changed his mind since then like he always seems to), and IMHO it's better that way. We have the father's fall in episodes I through III and the son's rise in epidoses IV through VI.
That is why we see more of Luke than Vader : he IS the hero of the OT so the audience is following him, that's how it is in most movies. Vader is the bad guy so we only see of him what we need to see. You're right when you say we don't "need" to see transitions, but when not overdone they help us follow and get attached to the hero, which is Luke.
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Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
Got it! ok the "slow' switch off of the lightsaber thing that people are talking about, well all I can say is WTF are ye on? its fine! LOL
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
BarBar Jinkx said:
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Are you using winrar to unpack the file?
EDIT: oh i see you got it sorted now
I'm a Mac User and Stuffit expander had a conniption, unrarX worked a treat
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
re the lightsaber retracting, I think Sojourn may have hit on it, and I must admit I've only watched it through my computer and VLC so excuse me if it sounds 'right' when played through a proper surround system or if the sound mix isn't final, but I could barely hear the sound effect of the lightsaber retracting, and I think that might be what is making the retraction look slightly slow (?) maybe the fact that it is also the only time in the saga we see a lightsaber retracting from that close an angle that it looks a little strange?
as a side note, just watched the scene of Luke's hand getting chopped off in FRAME BY FRAME motion and I love the way you've shortened his arm/sleeve so that it looks correct, amazing work!!
adywan said:
Here is this years Revisited clip for Christmas. This scene is mostly complete apart from the overhead gantry matte shots( just after Luke gets his hand cut off), where i will be replacing the background matte and one close-up shot of Vader. This scene uses the Blu-rays as a source.
Now, because facebook have now decided to start blocking and deleting videos and i received warnings of a ban for uploading this clip and another last night, you will now have to download the video to view on your PC or TV. Same thing is happening with Youtube so this is the only option (Vimeo give me a lot of problems uploading). The video is approx 150mb and is a 1080p mkv file.
Can anyone help me, I download the footage, but all I have is Windows Media Player, and it will not play any thing I download. Thank you who ever helps me.
One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.
Yoda: Try not, do or do not, there is no try.
Download VLC Media Player. It's a free app and can be found with a simple Google search. VLC plays pretty much any video file you can throw at it! :)
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Bester said:
Download VLC Media Player. It's a free app and can be found with a simple Google search. VLC plays pretty much any video file you can throw at it! :)
OK I got the VLC ,but any thing i play it is just a black screen?
One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.
Yoda: Try not, do or do not, there is no try.
Ady, would I be correct in assuming that the audio in the Christmas clip is just temp audio?