Aalenfae's PREQUEL TRILOGY (Heavily delayed - computer exploded) — Page 6

Angel:
Yeah, you're right. Even in the newest releases of the OT, there are still lots of the "classic" glow/flash explosions. I'll keep tweaking the effects to get them looking right. 

Erikstormtrooper:

I'm still not decided on how I'm going to edit Anakin's defeat. I've gotten some good suggestions, and had some good ideas, but I'm not sure I want to say until I have a good idea of what I want to do.

As far as Palpatine's dialogue before Anakin kills Dooku, I've tried it both ways - having Anakin simply kill him, and keeping Palpy's dialogue.

Neither way really works for me, I think.

But I almost don't want to just have Anakin kill Dooku right away because almost every edit I've seen does that, and I just got tired of it.  

Perhaps cutting out "Do it!" but leaving in the "Kill him. Kill him now," could lead to more subtle and understandable suggestion as well as leaving Anakin to more to his own evil.  Sort of a compromise, maybe?  I dunno.

I was actually thinking what it might be like if Palpatine JUST says "Do it!".

timdiggerm said:

I disagree. Dooku's look of shock is too good.

It really is something special.

Well, it looks like I can't make everybody happy.
I'm going to be keeping Palpy's dialogue AND Dooku's look of shock.  

I think that's the best way to do it.

Ah, that might work! I'll see what it looks like. 
That might also get around the sinister "laughing while I tell you to kill somebody" line. 

Ah, yes. Absolutely! 

It always bugged me that he did that, but I never considered removing it. That wouldn't be hard to do, either.

Consider it done! That's the next thing I'm going to do now.  

In whichever motivation you wish to give Dooku putting Palpatine on a throne like that with swivel control is a bit daft.

If Dooku is really a Sith it's giving the game away and if he isn't it's asking for trouble.

Palpatine should be locked into position looking at the door.

Even as a Sith Lord he doesn't have to see the chaos of battle with his eyes he has mastery over the dark side of the Force.

It might even make sense to have the windows covered by shutters when the Jedi enter the room (like Dooku has Palpatine tied to a chair in the attic).

As the fight proceeds the shutters could come down or be torn down and the view of the battle would then remind Anakin of the chaos caused by Dooku's insurrection and fuel his decision to follow Palpatine's call to slice the Count up.

I'd also downplay saving Padme as motivation for turning against the Jedi.

It would make more sense to have him genuinely believe by the time he sees Mace with his saber at the Chancellor's throat that the secret guilt he feels for killing Dooku and the sandpeople is pointless as Master Windu is about to do the same without guilt or shame.

If the Jedi are no better than Sith he might as well be a respected Sith Lord than a disrespected Jedi.

It should be the moment he stops being the boy Anakin and becomes the decisive man/machine of action Vader.

By the time he comes to believe Padme has betrayed him he no longer cares for her either, his lust for power and revenge has eclipsed his love for her.

That's a very interesting suggestion. 
I'm not sure how I could explain the shutters opening, though. Unless they're being blasted off by laser fire. 

The room contains control consoles so like the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel you could have stray battle-droid fire deflected by Obi-Wan's saber a console and start the shutters opening.

Dooku could rip them down using the Force I suppose (a bit like AOTC and ESB) but that would be a major effects project.

Bingowings said:

In whichever motivation you wish to give Dooku putting Palpatine on a throne like that with swivel control is a bit daft.

If Dooku is really a Sith it's giving the game away and if he isn't it's asking for trouble.

Palpatine should be locked into position looking at the door.

Even as a Sith Lord he doesn't have to see the chaos of battle with his eyes he has mastery over the dark side of the Force.

It might even make sense to have the windows covered by shutters when the Jedi enter the room (like Dooku has Palpatine tied to a chair in the attic).

As the fight proceeds the shutters could come down or be torn down and the view of the battle would then remind Anakin of the chaos caused by Dooku's insurrection and fuel his decision to follow Palpatine's call to slice the Count up.

I'd also downplay saving Padme as motivation for turning against the Jedi.

It would make more sense to have him genuinely believe by the time he sees Mace with his saber at the Chancellor's throat that the secret guilt he feels for killing Dooku and the sandpeople is pointless as Master Windu is about to do the same without guilt or shame.

If the Jedi are no better than Sith he might as well be a respected Sith Lord than a disrespected Jedi.

It should be the moment he stops being the boy Anakin and becomes the decisive man/machine of action Vader.

By the time he comes to believe Padme has betrayed him he no longer cares for her either, his lust for power and revenge has eclipsed his love for her.

Hmmmmm. The blinds idea sounds like it could be very interesting if executed right....

And IS Dooku a Sith in this edit? Or just a Rogue Jedi who has no connection to Sidious? Because personally, I always liked the Rogue Jedi idea.

Bingowings said:

I'd also downplay saving Padme as motivation for turning against the Jedi.

It would make more sense to have him genuinely believe by the time he sees Mace with his saber at the Chancellor's throat that the secret guilt he feels for killing Dooku and the sandpeople is pointless as Master Windu is about to do the same without guilt or shame.

If the Jedi are no better than Sith he might as well be a respected Sith Lord than a disrespected Jedi.

It should be the moment he stops being the boy Anakin and becomes the decisive man/machine of action Vader.

By the time he comes to believe Padme has betrayed him he no longer cares for her either, his lust for power and revenge has eclipsed his love for her.

 Very much agree, and was thinking about this yesterday.  Anakin tells Mace not to kill him though he did the same thing to Dooku earlier in the film.  If you could pull this emotion off, I think that would be perfect.  How too fill in the gaps between these scenes though...

MrInsaneA said:

And IS Dooku a Sith in this edit? Or just a Rogue Jedi who has no connection to Sidious? Because personally, I always liked the Rogue Jedi idea.

 Same question, same preference.  I like a little grey area in my force users.  Better to have a Sith-manipulated rogue who has tired of the narrow-minded Jedi ways than another obvious bad guy.  I've seen this discussion a lot, and if someone could successfully pull this off, I don't know if any other PT change would please me as much.

darth_ender said:

MrInsaneA said:

And IS Dooku a Sith in this edit? Or just a Rogue Jedi who has no connection to Sidious? Because personally, I always liked the Rogue Jedi idea.

 Same question, same preference.  I like a little grey area in my force users.  Better to have a Sith-manipulated rogue who has tired of the narrow-minded Jedi ways than another obvious bad guy.  I've seen this discussion a lot, and if someone could successfully pull this off, I don't know if any other PT change would please me as much.

What I'm going to try to do in my edit of AOTC and ROTS is have the rest of the Separatists i.e. Nute Gunray, Griveous, and the merry bunch, be in league with Sidious. The only person who would be unaware of this would be....Dooku himself. He's basically getting scammed by everyone around him, to be the scapegoat that triggers the Clone Wars.

It makes him a tragic character, really. He's the only character that truly has any idea of Palpatine's plot, and yet, by attacking the Republic to defeat him, he's just helping advance his plans. 

Wow, not what I envisioned, but an interesting twist.  I like it.  I always pictured it closer to the original plot but with a somewhat independent and simply misguided Dooku, but a Dooku who still leads the Separatists.  I'd be interested in seeing how your take turns out.

I suggested that during Episode One a whole bunch of rich lobbyists are prompted by Sidious' backing to play out their dream scenarios free from Republican bureaucracy.

In my take Gunray invades Naboo because his planet and the Naboo had fought over the territory many centuries ago and he wants to reclaim the planet to buttress his flagging position back home.

If around the same time half a dozen other prominent galactic powers were tempted to make similar moves in isolation they would be booted out of the Republic but Dooku knows the Sith were really behind it. The line Dooku gives Obi-Wan in AOTC in this scenario becomes true.

At first they don't want to break away from the Republic but as they have all burnt their bridges and as nobody in the council seems to be taking Dooku seriously he leads them in an attempt to build a alternative to the failing Republic and fight the Sith (not realising he is actually helping them).

That way Dooku becomes a more tragic figure.

The Jedi are backing the wrong side politically because the people Dooku is defending have been manipulated into doing politically awful things.

They want to maintain the Republic but they don't realise it's already under control by the Sith.

Palpatine can then use them as evidence of Jedi complicity and label the Rebel Alliance as the Separatists reborn once he transforms the Republic into the Empire.

^This is what I remember reading and I like much of it.

Bingowings said:

I suggested that during Episode One a whole bunch of rich lobbyists are prompted by Sidious' backing to play out their dream scenarios free from Republican bureaucracy.

In my take Gunray invades Naboo because his planet and the Naboo had fought over the territory many centuries ago and he wants to reclaim the planet to buttress his flagging position back home.

If around the same time half a dozen other prominent galactic powers were tempted to make similar moves in isolation they would be booted out of the Republic but Dooku knows the Sith were really behind it. The line Dooku gives Obi-Wan in AOTC in this scenario becomes true.

At first they don't want to break away from the Republic but as they have all burnt their bridges and as nobody in the council seems to be taking Dooku seriously he leads them in an attempt to build a alternative to the failing Republic and fight the Sith (not realising he is actually helping them).

That way Dooku becomes a more tragic figure.

The Jedi are backing the wrong side politically because the people Dooku is defending have been manipulated into doing politically awful things.

They want to maintain the Republic but they don't realise it's already under control by the Sith.

Palpatine can then use them as evidence of Jedi complicity and label the Rebel Alliance as the Separatists reborn once he transforms the Republic into the Empire.

Basically what I want to do, besides the territory thing with the Naboo. I've always liked MagnoliaFan's idea regarding the Trade Federation's motives for occupying the planet....

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of a population on the planet and the Republic has very well defined laws against slavery within it's borders.

The planet's main attraction being revenge for an ancient defeat/slight mirrors the Falklands/Malvinas War (it also mirrors the Sith's return/rise and fall in the saga as a whole).

When the Argentines attempted a diplomatic solution for ages but the British kept kicking it into the long grass and the islanders didn't want to join the sort of country that pushed nuns out of airplanes. The British didn't expect any sort of invasion.

The Junta seized the islands hoping that patriotic swell would boost their standing back at home.

They expected the diminished British military to not respond and the issue to be bogged down in the same sort of international diplomacy that had worked against them for so long.

The British did retake the islands and the Junta fell but the dispute is still there especially now oil has entered the equation.

Bingowings said:

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of a population on the planet and the Republic has very well defined laws against slavery within it's borders.

The planet's main attraction being revenge for an ancient defeat/slight mirrors the Falklands/Malvinas War (it also mirrors the Sith's return/rise and fall in the saga as a whole).

When the Argentines attempted a diplomatic solution for ages but the British kept kicking it into the long grass and the islanders didn't want to join the sort of country that pushed nuns out of airplanes. The British didn't expect any sort of invasion.

The Junta seized the islands hoping that patriotic swell would boost their standing back at home.

They expected the diminished British military to not respond and the issue to be bogged down in the same sort of international diplomacy that had worked against them for so long.

The British did retake the islands and the Junta fell but the dispute is still there especially now oil has entered the equation.

In MagnoliaFan's edit, the only reason the Nemoidians were enslaving the planet WAS for revenge. The Queen had opposed Gunray's proposition to use slaves on Outer Rim planets. He was mainly invading Naboo out of spite, not because they served any real use to him as a work force.

Plus, it mirrors Anakin's enslavement, PLUS it makes the Naboobians(?) crisis more dire, PLUS it sounds more sinister then "territorial dispute" or "taxation border dispute." 

Sorry to get so off-topic btw.

It would if you saw some evidence of the Queen or her handmaiden showing any sense of comparative empathy (which would also be helped if you saw outer rim slaves who didn't seem to have cushy lives) but I digress. 

The reason why I included that because it makes the Naboo crisis just part of a pattern which leads to the Separatist movement and Dooku's leadership.

The Viceroy is frightened of losing power (like Anakin is frightened, like the Jedi and the Senators are frightened) and does something he later regrets after being promised a short cut and a quick fix from Sidious.

If Sidious was offering this great deal to enough people who might fund opposition to Palpatine's Empire in the future it creates a phantom for the Jedi to fight which brings about their destruction.

A Jedi leading their movement is the cherry on the cake.

My off topicness ends here. 

Only discovered this edit a couple of days ago. Don't know how I missed it. Exciting stuff :-)