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Originally posted by: snooy47
Is there anyone here who ships these dvds OUTSIDE the US or Canada ?

Cheers,
Snooy


I do - read the post up above

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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LOL ... stupid me ... must be the 44 pages of DVD bootleg text I read through this nite

Mail is underway. Cheers.
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Originally posted by: Obi-Wan Spicoli
Originally posted by: Patrick R.
The Special Edition LD's also have that line. I thought I would like the "Close the blastdoors!" line, but it doesn't sound right.

Hey Patrick, what do you mean it doesn't sound right? That's how it sounded in 1977.


I can't remember the 1977 version that well, but it sounds like two different people saying the close and open blastdoor lines. I was hoping to hear how it sounded on the old Story of Star Wars LP.

Patrick

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Here's a question for anyone with the TR47 DVD set:

In one of the shots in ROTJ immediatly after Lando orders all craft to "Pull up", does anyone else's DVD explode into pixels for a second or two?

And also after the Stormtrooper fires at Leia and Wicket on Endor, it jumps back a few seconds.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
I can't remember the 1977 version that well, but it sounds like two different people saying the close and open blastdoor lines. I was hoping to hear how it sounded on the old Story of Star Wars LP.

Patrick

Two different people DO say those lines. I don't recall what the voice on the LP sounds like, but from what I understand it's different than the voice that is actually in the film. I will try to get a sample of that line off of my 1977 bootleg VHS tape.
Greedo shoots first? Not in my DVD player.
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Here's a question for anyone with the TR47 DVD set:

In one of the shots in ROTJ immediatly after Lando orders all craft to "Pull up", does anyone else's DVD explode into pixels for a second or two?
Is it a few seconds after Ackbar calls for evasive action? Then yes, mine does.
Originally posted by: Hal 9000
And also after the Stormtrooper fires at Leia and Wicket on Endor, it jumps back a few seconds.

Yes, mine too.

I've noticed many errors with this set and read about many more. For the amount of obnoxious bragging done by TR47 about this set, it has been an overwhelming disappointment. If I had paid the original $65 (or whatever) that he was asking, I would be pissed. This is not the superior quality set that he made it out to be.



Greedo shoots first? Not in my DVD player.
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Can you give timecodes for the errors on the TR47 discs?
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I've check my many masters now of the TR47 set - AS I've stated many times I've never sat down and watched this set - as I do preffer to watch the real LD's but - 'm burned on the movies for the most part after watching the many versions that are out now BUT I did sit down and watch the master DVD's (I had my brother watch the TR47 set also. WE did not actually write down the errors time stamps but I've found ALL the same errors on all my masters AGAIN I did find that 1 of my TR47 Jedi discs had the weird scene repeat with Leia and Wicket - MY NEW TR47 disc does not have this error BUT Empire and Jedi both seem to have a bunch of pixulated scenes. I have to add that this set was shipped from TR47 directly to me so I'm using a first gen DVD-R as my master (I transfered it to my HD - and even this has the same errors).

SO I'm gonna be forced to say that I'm going to be forced to NUKE this TR47 ARCHIVE COLLECTION set (I will offer it only on request and only after you read this thread.

- I'm sure it's not just my copy that has this problem now that a few people that have NOT gotten it from me are reporting the same flaws.

To those of you that have traded with me in the past that I told would get new TR47 Jedi disc will still get their free copy of the disc (unless you've already got it by now - only two left to mail out!! )

I do have the ANAMORPHIC set that yet has had any errors reported.

BUT I MUST STATE that ALL these Star Wars Bootlegs have come from amature video producers and NO ONE has claimed to be a Pro - NOW we all have to remember that if we want the BEST version we need to invest in the REAL Laserdiscs - I just had my brother buy me a Special Edition Trilogy box set for $30 on eBay!! (I've not yet watch them and won't for a while )

Let us hope that once the Dual Layer DVD+R's become available we'll have someone take the time to really capture with a REAL MPEG2 capture device such as the DVRex-RT Professional - NOT some Home PC Capture Card well maybe high-end home unit like the Canopus DVStorm2 Pro Ultra and clean up and create a PERFECT COLLECTION (borrowed that from Anime collections )

Well I hope that's what happens
IF anybody wants a Anamorphic set LMK!

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“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Originally posted by: Rikter


Let us hope that once the Dual Layer DVD+R's become available we'll have someone take the time to really capture with a REAL MPEG2 capture device such as the DVRex-RT Professional - NOT some Home PC Capture Card well maybe high-end home unit like the Canopus DVStorm2 Pro Ultra and clean up and create a PERFECT COLLECTION (borrowed that from Anime collections )


Is there anyone out there with this capability? That would be PERFECT indeed!

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My originals do not have these errors, so these must be burn errors passed from you (Rikter) to others. I have watched my originals more than once and the only errors present are the 3 second gap and one very brief part in ROTJ in which a speeder bike explodes, the bitrate jumps over 10 MBPS (which may cause a stutter in some players). These are the ONLY mistakes made in this set, so please do not blame it. I was having some problems with bad burns for a while, so I do apologize for sending out bad copies. I can only imagine you got a set with errors, so it would probably be wise to toss the discs and STOP DISTRIBUTING IT-if anyone is interested in this set, please contact me, not Rik. I am going to rerip my originals to see if this will help, but I'm 99% sure these are caused by bad burns. I have upgraded my software and have had no complaints since.
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So you're saying that the 3 second gap in ESB right before Leias welding scene was not from your copy but it appeared with Riks burning?
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No... the above text mentions the only 2 errors present on my set-the 3 second gap, and the nearly instantaneous bitrate jump. Rik's copies are simply bad burns and unfortunately he decided to copy them for people, proliferating bad copies in doing so.
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Theres a review here for a dual layer set

http://www.prillaman.net/starwarsdvdreview-bootleg4
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I have watched my TR47 set (which was purchased directly from him) a few times and have only seen the "gap" error in TESB. Everything else was perfect.

As far as the prillaman.net review of the dual layered bootlegs, it mentions...

"...At the time of this writing, I have not had a chance to play through all three movies in their entirety, but I have played through each disc at some length and compared them to the TR47 discs. If schedule allows, I will sit down and watch each from beginning to end and note any additional observations that come to mind..."

I have the dual layered set and its main problem is what I can only describe as "scanline lag." It can be seen in many scenes with fast motion in all three movies, but mostly in the Endor forest scenes in Jedi.

If you can get un-corrupted copies, the TR47 and the Anamorphic boots are still the best out there. I was extremely disappointed in the dual layered set.
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Does it look like motion blurring? Prillaman seems to cast this set in a somewhat favorable light, but not having actually watched them thoroughly, it would seem he was being hasty in doing so. One thing he mentioned is that there is slightly less dot crawl on certain scenes, but honestly I'm not really sure what that means exactly-I'm knowledgeable but not an A/V expert.

Originally posted by: RowMan

I have the dual layered set and its main problem is what I can only describe as "scanline lag." It can be seen in many scenes with fast motion in all three movies, but mostly in the Endor forest scenes in Jedi.


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I have watched my TR47 set all the way through at least six times from start to finish and have yet to see any of these errors.

Of course the 3 second blank spot before the welding scene is there but nothing else.

“You know, when you think about it, the Ewoks probably just crap over the sides of their tree-huts.”

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Originally posted by: TR47
My originals do not have these errors, so these must be burn errors passed from you (Rikter) to others. I have watched my originals more than once and the only errors present are the 3 second gap and one very brief part in ROTJ in which a speeder bike explodes, the bitrate jumps over 10 MBPS (which may cause a stutter in some players). These are the ONLY mistakes made in this set, so please do not blame it. I was having some problems with bad burns for a while, so I do apologize for sending out bad copies. I can only imagine you got a set with errors, so it would probably be wise to toss the discs and STOP DISTRIBUTING IT-if anyone is interested in this set, please contact me, not Rik. I am going to rerip my originals to see if this will help, but I'm 99% sure these are caused by bad burns. I have upgraded my software and have had no complaints since.

You supplied me with my set and I've had TWO different people copy the set you gave me and the TWO know errors are there.

AS I stated in my previous post these ARE MINOR ERRORS!

Originally posted by: TR47
No... the above text mentions the only 2 errors present on my set-the 3 second gap, and the nearly instantaneous bitrate jump. Rik's copies are simply bad burns and unfortunately he decided to copy them for people, proliferating bad copies in doing so.

IF my copy is flawed that you sent me - PLEASE provide me with an error free copy, I do appreciate that you have stated -

I was having some problems with bad burns for a while, so I do apologize for sending out bad copies.


BUT do not blame ME for this as it was you who provided me with these discs + I reproted the errors to YOU - you then responded with that nasty email about how you WOULD not replace it unless I STOPPED giving them away - remember??

OR if you still see it uncool to replace my copies CAN someone provide me with a set that does NOT have these errors -

I've already had 3 SETS sent to me from fans that got their sets from TR47 - AND ALL SETS that I have have them SAME errors - AGAIN I STREESS THESE are very minor errors JUST like TR47 says - PLEASE READ my review for trhe KNOWN two errors.

SO when all is said and DONE I seem to have 2 PERFECT sets from TR47 (by proxy) AND THEY HAVE NO BURN errors as TR47 would call them - BUT the first set I was send was riddled with burn errors - IT was NOT until 3 forum memebers PROVIDED with with an error free set.

AGAIN I must stress that the errors that were reported are VERY MINOR (except the repeating Leia scene - WHICH I've since had replaced with 3 DIFFERENT copies!!)

Originally posted by: TR47
No... the above text mentions the only 2 errors present on my set-the 3 second gap, and the nearly instantaneous bitrate jump. Rik's copies are simply bad burns and unfortunately he decided to copy them for people, proliferating bad copies in doing so.


MY newest set - that I posted about YESTERDAY

- Is JUST LIKE the TR47 set (as I have two new sources for the set!!!)

- BUT I have it for $9.99 shipped ANYWHERE in the USA

- this also includes a CD-ROM with MY REMIX CD and 150+ Printable COVERS!!

I HOPE tHIS CLEARS UP ALL CUNFUSION
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“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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I really don't mind these extremely minor "errors" on the TR47 set Rikter sent me.

Sure beats the many intentional "errors" (in my mind they are errors) the SE has.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Originally posted by: TR47
- My originals do not have these errors - I have watched my originals more than once and the only errors present are the 3 second gap and one very brief part in ROTJ in which a speeder bike explodes, the bitrate jumps over 10 MBPS (which may cause a stutter in some players)

RiK responds - WHAT DUDE - those are THE ONLY known errors besides the BAD copy you sent me that had the repeated scene WHICH I've replaced with a set YOU provided to another member - WHO provided them to me FREE!!!

- I was having some problems with bad burns for a while, so I do apologize for sending out bad copies. I can only imagine you got a set with errors

Rik responds - I got them from from you TR47!!!

- so it would probably be wise to toss the discs and STOP DISTRIBUTING IT

RiK responds - Then PLEASE replace them TR47

- I have upgraded my software and have had no complaints since.

RiK responds - DUDE - so YOU were distributing them out FLAWED - Dude why blame me then - WEAK!!



WHAT - you blame ME!!
I've only sent out about 12 set of the TR47 and ONLY 2 folks noticed the errors - USING HIGH-END systems I might add

Read your own darn post ! - I've only reported these TWO errors THAT you freely admit are ALSO on your SET!!!!

Get real TR47


“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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The 2 errors I mentioned are authoring/encoding errors, not the burn errors (corrupted data) I keep reading about. If you already have a working set, then I don't need to send you anything else. I am not blaming you for the errors, but rather duping them without checking first. If I had known about the problem I could have fixed it easily-it's fixed now and the sets are fine.
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Originally posted by: TR47
The 2 errors I mentioned are authoring/encoding errors, not the burn errors (corrupted data) I keep reading about. If you already have a working set, then I don't need to send you anything else. I am not blaming you for the errors, but rather duping them without checking first. If I had known about the problem I could have fixed it easily-it's fixed now and the sets are fine.


COOL then what was reported to me by a few folks and now you - The TR47 set then has authoring/encoding errors from your masters? - NO ones reported burn errors - only the two errors you talk about

Awesome - My set is then the VERY same as yours

I just wish you would have replaced them 2 months ago when I told you the disc were bad.
(the repeated leia wicket scene came from a DVD you sent me and is on the master you send me - I've since followed your advise and DESTROYED the DVD's you sent me )

SO

My set is NOW FINE - thanks for the disc Mike!!

THE TR47 set is still AWESOME - And I have em' now!!!!

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Originally posted by: TR47
Does it look like motion blurring? Prillaman seems to cast this set in a somewhat favorable light, but not having actually watched them thoroughly, it would seem he was being hasty in doing so. One thing he mentioned is that there is slightly less dot crawl on certain scenes, but honestly I'm not really sure what that means exactly-I'm knowledgeable but not an A/V expert.


I'm not sure what "dot crawl" is either or maybe I don't know what to look for, but it definitely doesn't look like motion blur to me.

When some objects move across the screen (whether it be a character or a spaceship), it looks like half of (meaning "every other") scan line of the previous frame lags behind. In ANH I first noticed it in a bust shot of Tarkin as he walked across the screen. In ROTJ it was VERY noticable in the first few shots after our rebels first land on Endor and are walking through the forest. A lot of "scanline lag" can be seen on Han as he leads the team. Looking carefully, this problem can be seen throughout all of the films, just at different intensities depending on the action of the scene.

Also, people, let's just correct what seems to be the proliferation of disc errors by bad burns and be done with it. Don't turn this into a pissing contest by blaming each other for it. We're all here for the same cause. Let's just continue to help each other out and move on.



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It sounds like somehow the interlacing got transferred incorrectly-that's all I can think of that would cause that sort of problem. I still have not actually seen the set so I can't judge for myself, but it doesn't sound like I am missing anything-just more typical asian BS.