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http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32319

This one still works for me. Like I said, I'm pretty sure these are colours optimized for anaglyph 3D presentation - when this is done, red and cyan tones are pulled out to avoid the glowing colour effect when using the anaglyph glasses, which is exactly the case here - yellow (eg. skin tones) and orange (eg. Maul) tones instead of red tones and purple tones (eg. Obi's lightsabre) instead of cyan. It seems that they intended to release a 3D anaglyph version and then just used the left of right eye footage for the 2D trailer forgetting about the colours. And when they realized this error, they corrected it.

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Well, to be honest, I got quite a kick out of the TPM3D trailer with proper colours. I haven't seen Episode I for ages and while I now realize that it is objectively pretty bad, it still holds a sort of nostalgic childhood value for me. So I must confess that I'm actually looking forward to seeing it in 3D on the big screen.

 

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Harmy said:


it still holds a sort of nostalgic childhood value for me.
Get off my lawn. ;-)

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ImperialFighter wrote: Not sure if you're referring to the recent YELLOW trailer upload

Anyone grab this color error'd version before the pull downs?  Missed it...

Official SW channel has the corrected trailer up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6w15OwK08

You mean you somehow missed the working link at the bottom of my 1st post on the previous page? ;)

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for sticking up that corrected trailer link, as that over-saturated 'French' version was the only non-YELLOW one that I could find yesterday.  The proper one you've put up looks far better where the colours are concerned.

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ImperialFighter wrote: You mean you somehow missed the working link at the bottom of my 1st post on the previous page? ;)

Completely.  none's known to make mistakes... from time to time.

And when I used the word 'corrected' there no way I could have verified that, just assumed that latest = greatest.

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Did they just rejigger the old trailer that was lying around? Obi-wan screaming "No" is missing the red shield over his face, just like the '99 trailer.

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Why would anyone go to watch this in one of the select 2D theaters?  And advertising a movie being in 2D seems like the epitome of redundancy.

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Baronlando said:


Did they just rejigger the old trailer that was lying around? Obi-wan screaming "No" is missing the red shield over his face, just like the '99 trailer.
Holy crap, it IS the exact ending of the original trailer, isn't it?!

EDIT: No it isn't. Mostly the same shots, in different orders.

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Is anyone planning to um, document the version in the theater?  Granted, I don't really care about this 3D stuff, but it would be interesting to see if there are additional cuts or "fixes" that never make it onto blu-ray.  I don't know if I trust the new "theatrical" version to be the same as the home release.

I know a lot of folks on here would be interested in the IMAX cut of AOTC, but it wasn't, you know, documented at the time.

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Sluggo said:

Why would anyone go to watch this in one of the select 2D theaters?  And advertising a movie being in 2D seems like the epitome of redundancy.

I reckon there'll be plenty of 'TPM' fans (and first-timers) out there that dislike the look of 3D in general...or are unlucky enough to be adversely-affected by it...or just grudge the extra expense...  And those with only one eye will probably be glad of the choice too... ;)

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Sluggo said:

Is anyone planning to um, document the version in the theater?  Granted, I don't really care about this 3D stuff, but it would be interesting to see if there are additional cuts or "fixes" that never make it onto blu-ray.  I don't know if I trust the new "theatrical" version to be the same as the home release.

I know a lot of folks on here would be interested in the IMAX cut of AOTC, but it wasn't, you know, documented at the time.

IMAX no longer has the time limit it did when the shorter cut of AOTC was released, so it's likely we won't be seeing that version again.

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I saw Hugo in 3D this weekend and saw the Phantom Menace trailer. What a joke. Not one shot in 3D to give us an idea on how it will look. Why am I not surprised?

There was also a trailer for Titanic, all in 3D, and it looked incredible. I never would have known this wasn't filmed in 3D. It looked just fantastic. Cameron really knows what he's doing with 3D. Lucas - I shudder to think how bad Phantom Menace will look. One thing I can promise - I will not be seeing it. Titanic, on the other hand...

By the way, Hugo was amazing. Best use of 3D I've ever seen, and a fantastic film.

 

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Actually Oldfan that trailer was in 3D....yeah.

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That's hilarious. I honestly couldn't even remember it being in 3D. I was blown away by the 3D in the Titanic trailer, and Hugo was just amazing. I really couldn't remember Phantom Menace being in 3D. Now that you mention it though, if I think hard enough...I think I do remember it playing with my glasses on, because we were told to put the glasses on before the first trailer even started.

Wow, that must be a serious sign of trouble if I can't even remember it being in 3D. Obviously I must have been quite impressed. Funny thing is, I vividly remember all the other trailers being in 3D, and thinking they all looked pretty good. Maybe my brain just shut down temporarily to prevent harm to it when it saw the Lucasfilm logo, kind of like the Windows message that Windows will close explorer to prevent damage to the system.

I do remember the couple right behind me commenting just after the trailer ended. The only thing I could make out was them saying "episodes 4 though 6". I bet I could extrapolate and safely say that they were thinking the same thing I was - at least if he started with episode 4, there might be a slim chance I'd see it in 3D.

 

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I saw Hugo last night.  great movie - a little slow at first, but its fun and the 3D was good.  so in this revival of 3d, that makes 3 movies (coraline, avatar) that really benefitted from 3d, IMO.  everything else has not been impressive.  sadly, im worried this movie won't be a hit - only around 10 people in the showing I went into :(

anyway, I saw trailers for TPM, titanic and beauty & the beast.  I was not impressed by any of them.  It looks like beauty and the beast is coming out a week or so before TPM.  If Lion King is any kind of indicator, I would imagine BATB would be a bigger hit.

I dunno - this new 3d is designed to have more depth within the screen and it can be cool, but I still think the older 3d that fills up the space between you and the screen was better.  the problem back in those days was the movies that came out were gimmicky crap that would just throw things to poke your eye out (friday the 13th part 3).  I stil think the true breakthru in 3D will be the type that fills up the space in front of the screen AND provides depth within the screen.  Hugo sort of did this with the outdoor scenes in the snow.

and there is still something off about most films in 3d - it has that cardboard cutout effect that looks lame.  its really common for films that weren't designed in 3d from the ground-up.  I saw this in all 3 trailers.

 

 

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Yes, when I saw Hugo they also showed 3D trailers for Beauty and the Beast, Phantom Menace, and Titanic.  BATB was the least impressive.

Turnout for Hugo was poor here too... probably about 50-75 people in the seats, and this was at 7:30 on a Saturday night.  That movie hasn't been marketed well.  See it while you can!  It might not be in the theaters for long.

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My girlfriend owns Beauty and the Beast 3-D on Blu-Ray. It actually got released on 3-D Blu-Ray first before the theatrical release. We watched it a few weeks ago on our 3D plasma and personally, I was amazed. They did an incredible job, considering that this was (primarily) a traditionally-animated 2D film. They didn't just split the animation into separate flat planes - they actually gave everything actual depth - a "roundness" to everything. The professional reviews on the 3D Blu-Ray are also very positive - from blu-ray.com:

"I'll even go so far as to say that Disney's conversion and subsequent presentation are so brilliantly executed, the 3D so carefully implemented, that the majesty of the resulting image will convert many a skeptic and 3D holdout...As 3D conversions go, I couldn't be more impressed. As 3D Blu-ray releases go, they don't get much better than Beauty and the Beast 3D"

I agree entirely with that reviewer. Keep in mind that converting CGI films like Toy Story and Shrek are relatively easy, since the studios still have all the information used to render the CGI, so they just re-render the film with a left and right view, so you get true 3D. For a film that is hand-drawn like this, it has to be carefully converted by hand, scene by scene, frame by frame. I think they did an astonishing job. I'm actually looking forward to watching it again, and if it wasn't so expensive to see in the theatre, I would actually like to see it on the big screen.

I agree the marketing for Hugo was poor. It was also a very expensive film and sadly it doesn't seem to be doing very well theatrically. It hasn't opened yet internationally though, so hopefully it will do well internationally.

 

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Disney has the advantage of going back to the animation files even for BATB, since they've been coloring the cels in the computer since the early 90's.

I'm not sure they could convert any of the older films done with traditional ink and paint methods and get the same results.

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Oldfan said:

Keep in mind that converting CGI films like Toy Story and Shrek are relatively easy, since the studios still have all the information used to render the CGI, so they just re-render the film with a left and right view, so you get true 3D.  

Actually the first three Shrek movies were unable to be re-rendered in 3D and had to be post-converted like any 2D live action film.  The result is fairly good and better than most live action films, but it's still got some of the cardboard cutout moments you mention.  Hoodwinked Too! is another CG animated film that is only in 3D through the use of this same type of conversion.

I hope that there are worthwile moments to the Star Wars 3D conversion(s) and from viewing the latest batch of superhero movies in 3D I can definitely say that there's a nice little touch that 3D can add to these high budget popcorn flicks, even with the moments of obvious cutting and pasting to achieve the 3D effect... nothing's been as bad as Clash of the Titans lately.  I must say, however, that I've been much more thoroughly impressed by the native 3D films every time (with Fright Night 3D being my most recent favorite) and I'm sure that's a trend that will continue.

 

And I haven't noticed it mentioned here, but the 3D Phantom Menace teaser is on YouTube in actual 3D in the side-by-side format (also viewable in anaglyph), but it's in Russian... search accordingly!

 

PS:  Your girlfriend owns BATB in 3D?  Fine, I'll believe that... at least I'm man enough to admit to owning BATB in 3D. ;)  I even bought it on release day with TLK, no regrets!

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Disney has the advantage of going back to the animation files even for BATB, since they've been coloring the cels in the computer since the early 90's.

I'm not sure they could convert any of the older films done with traditional ink and paint methods and get the same results.

Sorry to double post, but the world will find out how well Disney is with the conversion of traditionally animated films when they release The Little Mermaid in 3D in 2013... well, I guess a few minutes of the film were animated using their CAPS system, but that's it.

There's also been talk of going back and converting some of the older films like Pinocchio, but I'm guessing TLM is their litmus test for going back and taking a chance with the classics.

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larrythefatcat said:

And I haven't noticed it mentioned here, but the 3D Phantom Menace teaser is on YouTube in actual 3D in the side-by-side format (also viewable in anaglyph), but it's in Russian... search acordingly

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ephvwHFmows

 

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Yeah, that's a shitty conversion. I watched it using a mirror and there were only a few shots that even looked 3D and even those were mostly cardboard cutout-like. Now the question is whether it is real, it could well be a fan 3D conversion of the 2D trailer.

EDIT: Here's the same trailer with English sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkyYTjtnkfc&feature=related