Info (or not): Squeezing more detail from the GOUT

You know, I never thought the GOUT would be so important in a restoration such as Harmy is currently revisiting. Having spent the better part of a year getting the GOUT to look as good as it could, I came across several methods that could eek out some more detail, but these looked really bad on fast-moving scenes, so were abandoned.

I’m wondering if it would be worth digging up some of my old scripts and seeing what more detail could be had in scenes that are more static.

And, while I’m not sure if DJ used any of my advice on how to upscale, people seemed to like his end result, and since I was never a big fan of upscaling sub-SD material to HD, I never really cared what method he ended up using. It turns out that there is one way to do this correctly, and about a million ways to do it wrong.

Between the upscaling and the detail recovery, this might be worth revisiting. Thoughts?

g-force said:

You know, I never thought the GOUT would be so important in a restoration such as Harmy is currently revisiting. Having spent the better part of a year getting the GOUT to look as good as it could, I came across several methods that could eek out some more detail, but these looked really bad on fast-moving scenes, so were abandoned.

I'm wondering if it would be worth digging up some of my old scripts and seeing what more detail could be had in scenes that are more static.

And, while I'm not sure if DJ used any of my advice on how to upscale, people seemed to like his end result, and since I was never a big fan of upscaling sub-SD material to HD, I never really cared what method he ended up using. It turns out that there is one way to do this correctly, and about a million ways to do it wrong.

Between the upscaling and the detail recovery, this might be worth revisiting. Thoughts?

LMAO! This post is so cool.

So let's see,
1) So you want to squeeze more detail out of the more static scenes, well what about the rest LOL.
2) you are not a big fan of upscaling sub-SD material.
3) Don't care how I did it, even though some like it pretty well.
4) Only 1 way to upscale, presumably your way, and all others are wrong.

But now you want to revisit it and try and get more detail, and upscale? this is cool, I can't wait to see what you come up with, I say go for it.

*edit - and for the record, I did not use your advice, it did not give me good enough results, actually DrM gave me much better advice, so I am sure my Set is wrong, but it looks and sounds DAMN good to me for being wrong, and it is helping Harmy out a lot, so I am very happy, I may have read your comments wrong(I have been known to do that) but it sure seems like a dig on me, and my project LOL.

timdiggerm said:

dark_jedi said:

So you want to squeeze more detail out of the more static scenes, well what about the rest LOL.

I'm guessing he just won't squeeze as much detail out of them?

 right. the rest gets ruined in the process. Maybe there's little value in that, but it seems like there are a lot of static shots that Harmy is using that may benefit.

dark_jedi said:

g-force said:

You know, I never thought the GOUT would be so important in a restoration such as Harmy is currently revisiting. Having spent the better part of a year getting the GOUT to look as good as it could, I came across several methods that could eek out some more detail, but these looked really bad on fast-moving scenes, so were abandoned.

I'm wondering if it would be worth digging up some of my old scripts and seeing what more detail could be had in scenes that are more static.

And, while I'm not sure if DJ used any of my advice on how to upscale, people seemed to like his end result, and since I was never a big fan of upscaling sub-SD material to HD, I never really cared what method he ended up using. It turns out that there is one way to do this correctly, and about a million ways to do it wrong.

Between the upscaling and the detail recovery, this might be worth revisiting. Thoughts?

LMAO! This post is so cool.

So let's see,
1) So you want to squeeze more detail out of the more static scenes, well what about the rest LOL.
2) you are not a big fan of upscaling sub-SD material.
3) Don't care how I did it, even though some like it pretty well.
4) Only 1 way to upscale, presumably your way, and all others are wrong.

But now you want to revisit it and try and get more detail, and upscale? this is cool, I can't wait to see what you come up with, I say go for it.

*edit - and for the record, I did not use your advice, it did not give me good enough results, actually DrM gave me much better advice, so I am sure my Set is wrong, but it looks and sounds DAMN good to me for being wrong, and it is helping Harmy out a lot, so I am very happy, I may have read your comments wrong(I have been known to do that) but it sure seems like a dig on me, and my project LOL.

1. correct. the rest will suffer as a result.

2. correct.

3. More accurately, I never asked, because it's not my cup of tea.

4. No, I didn't invent it. But, there is no way to get back information that just isn't there.

Harmy said:

Well, I don't know but what DJ did is pretty awesome. It is just so much better than the official GOUT that it's breath-taking and I personally doubt that there's much more detail that could be dug out of the GOUT than what DJ already did but I'll be interested to see what you can come up with g-force.

EDIT: Actually, I did dig more detail out of the still pictures from DJ's Blu by careful sharpening of certain areas of the stills but that's for stills only. This one for example:

Let's just be clear, what DJ did was to apply the g-force script.

-G

Harmy said:

Not quite true. That's what he did for the V1 - V3 DVDs, as far as I know he heavily modified the script for Project Blu and having seen both V3 and Blu, I can say that Blu looks 10 times better.

Yes you are right Harmy.

Holy Shit, what an ego man, this Blu project is not much of your script at all, barely anything now, so please get over yourself for a moment, most all of us that have done upscales have not used it, and yes it was damn near 100% your script in the DVD's, V1 through V3, and YOU did get credited for it, damn dude, if you have something against what I am doing, or me for that matter, why not just take it to PM, I welcome you.

Not even sure why I was even brought up in this thread to begin with, you could have easily started this on your own without the childish little bashing in your original post, which was very nice of you by the way, did not expect you to be acting like that.

Harmy said:

Not quite true. That's what he did for the V1 - V3 DVDs, as far as I know he heavily modified the script for Project Blu and having seen both V3 and Blu, I can say that Blu looks 10 times better.

 I guess the only way we would really know is if DJ posted the script.

DJ?

g-force said:

Harmy said:

Not quite true. That's what he did for the V1 - V3 DVDs, as far as I know he heavily modified the script for Project Blu and having seen both V3 and Blu, I can say that Blu looks 10 times better.

 I guess the only way we would really know is if DJ posted the script.

DJ?

LMAO! video has been done for quite some time on the avisynth side, most lately has been all After Effects and photoshop, and you shared nothing on this right g-force? there are at least 2 members here that can attest to that, because I have been picking their brains on these programs, but I really like your approach now, you really turned this thread into nothing, and you are showing what kind of person you really are, I now remember when you were crying before that you got no credit on the DVD's, and then I proved your ass wrong didn't I g-force? NFO's, in threads, at Myspleen, yea, you remember, so why don't you get off my ass, and worry about this new development you are going to do in this thread, all these projects are not about you, and your ego, right g-force?I mean do you honestly believe that every single GOUT project you did? are you that damn arrogant?

So now I am done with you, you have proven to be quite a tool to say the least, but I can't wait to see your latest mind blowing developments, and your top secret top layer of your onion LMAO!

g-force? to funny.

1 more thing, you must think Harmy is a liar then huh? he has the V3, and he has gotten a ton of clips from me from my project, he sees a difference, so do others, that must really piss you off huh? and why is this, because you have nothing to do with it perhaps g-force?