Darth Hade said:
One of the problems I had with yellow Sith eyes in the prequels is the simple fact that we never see Dooku with them.
If you're going to do it, George, then at least be consistent about it. Ass.
Was the 'ass' really necessary?
Monroville said:
I could see deleting the rock/skull/whatever, show Luke pointing at the door with a nice "green to red" or just set of light switches to indicate it's closing, and then show the door closing at an increased rate of speed (slow at first, then speeding up and slamming down on the Rancor's head). Even implying Luke is not even activating the switch, but using the force to bring the door down would add to Luke's cred as a near-master.
Too much force Unleashed? ;)
I like that. Maybe add more violence as the head of rancor is cut off from the door and thrown in the camera with lots of dust and green blood for the new 3d release (j/k)
I like the idea tho. Still it might ruin the experience later that Luke levitates 3po and shows greater skills.
-Angel
I like the idea tho. Still it might ruin the experience later that Luke levitates 3po and shows greater skills.
-Angel
yeah but moving a switch and moving C3P0 with some skill are two different things, i don't think it effects anything to be honest.
Ah! I wasnt mentioning the switch. i meant the door that would propably close slowly and luke had to force push her to smash the rancor.
+Angel
I don't think its meant to be a slow closing door, after all it is a rancor they are keeping.
I thought that was Monrovile was saying at the end.. hehe
move along
+Angel
DuTwan said:
I don't think its meant to be a slow closing door, after all it is a rancor they are keeping.
I guess it is just me, but I just find it strange that that would be the default speed of the door. Seems like such an accident begging to happen.
I don't think it's the degault speed. Remember, Luke really hefted that skull and sparks flew from the controls when it was hit. It seems like he actually broke the controls that normally allow for a slow descent.
darth_ender said:
I don't think it's the degault speed. Remember, Luke really hefted that skull and sparks flew from the controls when it was hit. It seems like he actually broke the controls that normally allow for a slow descent.
I know this isn't the point, but if you look at that part frame by frame, the skull barely makes contact with the button...and it doesn't get damaged at all.
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darth_ender said:
I don't think it's the degault speed. Remember, Luke really hefted that skull and sparks flew from the controls when it was hit. It seems like he actually broke the controls that normally allow for a slow descent.
Well, that kind of goes back to what I was saying before. Logically...does that really make sense? Ok...so you smash the pannel with with a rock, but would that really trigger a complete release of the door? It seems more likely to me that it would just make it start to close....but it is a fairly minor nitpick. I just thought it gave good reason to have Luke use the force to bring the gate crashing down instead.
Ultimately i'm nitpicky on this scene because I really think something needs to change in it. From the start of the movie, Luke seems like such a different character and seems to posses so much confidence, but I feel this sequence diminishes that. Still, the rancor itself is far too iconic to just cut I think.
I know his options are limited and he's not in the best position...but he's supposed to be a jedi, or just short of one, at this point damnit. Hiding under a rock and physically hurling a piece of debris at a panel just feels so weak sauce to me.
I agree, in the Spence fanedit the Rancor scene is entirely removed. While I thought it would be too iconic to remove, the entire first act works better without it. Better pacing, and Luke appears a stronger and more mysterious character.
I like it because it still shows he's vulnerable, but resourceful. It's a sort of flipped version of ESB, where he spends a lot of his time getting taken out by stronger forces, but there's still a scene early on where he destroys an AT-AT by himself. With the rancor it's the same sort of exception that proves the rule, just the other way around.
Gugliemo said:
I agree, in the Spence fanedit the Rancor scene is entirely removed. While I thought it would be too iconic to remove, the entire first act works better without it. Better pacing, and Luke appears a stronger and more mysterious character.
How is it edited? after Luke speaks to Jabba how is it joined to the scene after the Rancor?
J
^I would be curious to see as well. I'm not against making drastic cuts, like the one I suggested for the Obi-wan and vader duel, but I have trouble with the idea of cutting the Rancor because it really is one of the standout parts of ROTJs production design. The sequence overall may be kind of dicey, but so much of ROTJ's ideas feel like a retread, and the Rancor is something trully unique to the movie and is unlike almost anything we've seen before. That's especially true if you cut the unnecessary planet core monsters from Episode 1, leaving the Rancor as the first instance we see a creature of such size and scope.
Maybe in the end it would serve the pacing and Luke's character development better, but I'd definitely like to explore every conceivable option before just cutting it.
^This.
Sepharih said:
Ultimately i'm nitpicky on this scene because I really think something needs to change in it. From the start of the movie, Luke seems like such a different character and seems to posses so much confidence, but I feel this sequence diminishes that. Still, the rancor itself is far too iconic to just cut I think.
I know his options are limited and he's not in the best position...but he's supposed to be a jedi, or just short of one, at this point damnit. Hiding under a rock and physically hurling a piece of debris at a panel just feels so weak sauce to me.
Seems to me that it shouldn't be too difficult to film insert footage of a "Luke" force grabbing the skull off the floor and flinging it at the button....ala Darth Maul in Ep I. Existing shots of Luke could be modified, a douvle could be filmed from behind if necessary, and a quick insert shot of a skull flying off the ground....done
Yeah, but you don't even need the skull. If Luke can use the force to lift his lightsabre out of the snow and into his hand, he can use the force to press a button on a control panel.
Also keep in mind that as a second-level beginner, he "almost" lifted an entire X-wing out of a swamp. Didn't quite make it, but if a beginner can still move a multiple ton object, then what can a near master do?
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Throw an x-wing at the button?
It can work without the skull or the button at all. Luke could just yank the door down from the ceiling with the force. That would also show how much more power and control he's gained since he failed to lift the x-wing.
TV's Frink said:
Throw an x-wing at the button?
I don't like the scene where Luke tries to lift the X-wing. Since we already know he can lift a rock, why can't he lift the X-wing with a rock?
maybe already advocated:
At the end from return of the jedi .. Hayden or Shaw? Anyway give Anakin the real clothes from Episode 2 and 3 and not a robe which was never shown before .... And Anakin is a little larger as Obi-Wan, in the movie scene @Ep6 both have the same size?
To the Hayden/Shaw Question: Mayb an old Hayden/Shaw mix could be created.
DominicCobb said:
TV's Frink said:
Throw an x-wing at the button?
I don't like the scene where Luke tries to lift the X-wing. Since we already know he can lift a rock, why can't he lift the X-wing with a rock?
Well there you go, he's supposed to lift the X-wing with the force.
In all seriousness, Luke says "it's too big." Yoda replies "size matters not," so the problem is clearly in Luke's perception of his task. I don't understand why this is a problem.
Or were you joking? It's tough to tell.
TiiN said:
maybe already advocated:
At the end from return of the jedi .. Hayden or Shaw? Anyway give Anakin the real clothes from Episode 2 and 3 and not a robe which was never shown before .... And Anakin is a little larger as Obi-Wan, in the movie scene @Ep6 both have the same size?
To the Hayden/Shaw Question: Mayb an old Hayden/Shaw mix could be created.
Seriously, we don't need more PT in the OT, we need less.
TV's Frink said:
Seriously, we don't need more PT in the OT, we need less.
The Hayden/Shaw Facemix was just a very fast idea, not more :)
My mainpoint is the clothesproblem. Sebastian Shaw in the clothes from Anakin from Ep2&3 could be very good :)
And some PT in OT works very good ... example the battledroid in Adywans Episode 4 or the music at the fight Obi-Wan vs. Vader in Adywans Episode 4 ;)