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Heh, that one kinda went over my head... I loved the "compulsive disorder bit" :D
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"The People Vs. George Lucas" documentary... — Page 9
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Part 2 uploaded.
Might be a short version since it's released on Machinima, but then again, they've posted it on their site... so I dunno.
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French DVD cover art:
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Has the DVD already been released in Canada?
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I finaly bought the DVD (france) and watch it with the bonus.
It is very good, although fans like us will not learn much about the matter. It is however the movie you need to show to someone who does not have any idea about the personal story of Lucas and what happended to the original theatrical cuts.
I wished the movie was a bit longuer as I feel that the editing was a bit too fast without much of Dale Pollock and Gary Kurtz's interviews. Fortunately they are on the bonus (Pollock: 27 minutes, Kurtz: 15 minutes). In fact I think we could make a very cool extended edition fanedit (!) of the documentary, adding those interviews and lot more of the fans ones, also from the bonus (60 minutes).
I personnaly have like 10 or 15 seconds on screen: that's great! (I have my own full interview on my PC, of course, so I could make a special editon all about me if I want anyway, lol!) but I really feel like Adywan's work needed more focus on. In fact it was just few seconds of him talking about the rage amongs some Star Wars fans against his Revisited fanedit.
All in all it was quite intertaining. Some people said the doc came a bit too late and should have been made right after, or during, the making of the prequels. But I think that with the release of the controversial Blurays... the timing is perfect.
PS: if Adywan is okay to give his full interview (if he ever have it), I could make that extended edition of the movie in my spare time. I'm sure the director would even be pleased by that, as he sounded quite exited and interested by all the fanedit community in the few emails we had about one year ago. Just an idea.
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I've love to see those interviews in their original length.
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JasonN said:
twooffour said:
http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag/the-people-vs-george-lucas-and-star-wars-discussion/
Scene of the guys comparing cover art for the video releases, one guy holds up the DVD cover art for Star Wars:
"George let one of his daughters play with Photoshop."
"Awwww."Damn, I laughed hard for a few minutes at that one. :D
It really is tremendous how bad the covers have gotten over the years. It's been a general trend in films in general, much lamented by, by none other than Drew Struzan himself in The Movie Posters of Drew Struzan (worth your money), in which he talks about how the studios generally screwed him over several times and have now all but given up anything but the floating heads photo collage approach.
To Lucas's credit, he did hire Struzan for the SE posters and the Prequels, but the mind boggles at why LFL would release the covers they have been releasing over the years when they have some of the best artwork ever created for film, period.
Not to mention the blu-ray art... Ugh.
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I've noticed lately some of the Chinese bootleg covers look better than the real deal.
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I think its really funny that of all the fan editors in the credits, the one whose screenname implies revealing who he is is the only one who hasn't. ;-)TMBTM said:
And Jamie gets TWO credits!?
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Finally got to see this today. By the way its a featured movie on the Android market so its going to get alot of exposure.
Honestly I hated most of this doc. To let you know, I love the original untouched OT and enjoy the prequels. I also think the preservation efforts of the fans are amazing.
And thats why I hated this doc. The focus really should have been how we loved the untouched OT and wanted it preserved as well as how the prequels disrupted what came before in the OT.
What we got was about an hour of comedian hipsters ranting about their childhoods and how they had all the action figures. There was a good 30 minutes devoted to fan films which really didn't have anything to do with Lucas at all but how fans just love Star Wars.
Heres a breakdown of my thoughts
1. Dale Pollock and Gary Kurtz! They actually got these people to speak against Lucas (just by appearing in this doc) and they're shown for about a minute each. WTF Talk about missed opporunity for interesting stories and insight on Lucas outside the propganda machine of Lucasfilm.
2. David Prowse! Another missed opportunity of what went down on the ROTJ set in terms of Lucas and secrecy. He has about 50 seconds tops in this film.
3. Theres tons of commentary by this comedian named Nar. Hes this ex host of Attack of the Show on G4. Ex meaning he wasn't considered good enough to stay. We hear tons from him. The only good segment he was in was the midiclorian discussion.
4. The hipster commentators, especially that rock group member who had never seen ROTS, but never really had any SW toys either. So why is he here? And why are any of these comedians here. They aren't adding to the discussion at all. They were horrible. The worst was some panel (of people never identified) where one guy couldn't speak a sentence without the F word every five seconds. I don't mind the F word, I use it quite a bit myself, but this guy had nothing intelligent to say.
5. The biggest crime was the lack of commentary on the preservation movement. What the whole point of the film should have been. I wanted to see 10-15 min of Adywan discussing what Lucas wasn't doing with his film on the dvd releases, I wanted to see guys like Puggo (where is his footage!) talking about preserving even the 16mm prints since they are important.
6. Things I liked: the bit on Jar Jar, the midiclorian discussion, anything with Chris Gore who seemed to be able to put together some words intelligently, the bit on Han shoots first, the mention that ANH is in the library of congress but theres no movement to get a pristine original print of that film.
7. All the fan films clips. Talk about not necessary. You can make an extremely intelligent doc with just talking heads and stills. I get it, people love making their own SW films. But it wasn't clever or interesting to show all the footage, it just got tiresome. Did we really need to see endless stop motion animation done by 19 year olds in a film called "The people vs Lucas"?
Some would argue the film was for casual fans. This doesn't excuse the overall quality of this doc which was poor. There just wasn't any center, it was a hodgepodge of random fan interviews and clips from fan films. It really felt like an extended Attack of the Show segment gone wrong. If you want to see some good documentaries watch some of Oliver Stone's recent work like his Castro doc and South of the Border about Hugo Chavez. Thats literally talking heads with some historical footage, and its all riveting stuff. For a film criticizing Lucas' work, I think they need some improvement themselves (I know that sounds like a TFN comment but theres got to be some truth there)
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ratpack1961 said:
I wanted to see 10-15 min of Adywan discussing what Lucas wasn't doing with his film on the dvd releases, I wanted to see guys like Puggo (where is his footage!) talking about preserving even the 16mm prints since they are important.
Wow, thanks for the nice words. They did contact me, and asked me to submit a video, which I did. They didn't ask me to say anything about the 16mm films or about my preservation. They just wanted me to say something to George. So I "said" four things to him, with examples, of why the films shouldn't be changed and how the changes made it worse. I used an example from a radio show I heard where the hosts criticized the old outdated special effects in ANH, and used the Jabba scene to back up their claim! I tried to make it lively, but I wouldn't be surprised if they ultimately thought it was too dull for inclusion. Or maybe they didn't think the video quality was sufficient. I'm pretty good at post-production, but pretty bad at filming original stuff. I never heard from them after they acknowledged receipt of my DV tape. I'm also guessing they received hundreds of tapes and mine might have gotten lost in the hubbub. No biggy.
I still haven't seen PvG, but I'm looking forward to it.
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I finally got to see this as well. You can rent it on Youtube for like 4 bucks. I'd really been looking forward to seeing it since the first time I'd heard about it. In the end I thought it was pretty decent. I was worried about where it was going toward the beginning but it finally found a good stride maybe a quarter of a way into it. I do wish they had spent more time on the preservation movement but what they did cover was well done.
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Heilemann said:
JasonN said:
twooffour said:
http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag/the-people-vs-george-lucas-and-star-wars-discussion/
Scene of the guys comparing cover art for the video releases, one guy holds up the DVD cover art for Star Wars:
"George let one of his daughters play with Photoshop."
"Awwww."Damn, I laughed hard for a few minutes at that one. :D
It really is tremendous how bad the covers have gotten over the years. It's been a general trend in films in general, much lamented by, by none other than Drew Struzan himself in The Movie Posters of Drew Struzan (worth your money), in which he talks about how the studios generally screwed him over several times and have now all but given up anything but the floating heads photo collage approach.
To Lucas's credit, he did hire Struzan for the SE posters and the Prequels, but the mind boggles at why LFL would release the covers they have been releasing over the years when they have some of the best artwork ever created for film, period.
Not to mention the blu-ray art... Ugh.
Agreed. I bet Luca$ denied Struzan's work for the DVD's so he would'nt have to pay royalties, and instead gave the duties to LFL's so called art dept. You're just not RICH enough are ya Luca$?!
"There's no cluster of midiclorians that controls my destiny!" -Han Solo, from a future revision of ANH
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Very few studios use the original one sheet poster art these days, so Lucasfilm isn't alone in this. I think there's a thread over at the HTF for the worst DVD covers of all.
I was pleasantly surprised to see some classic poster art used for the inserts on the 2006 releases.
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The People Vs George Lucas comes as a Bonus Blu-ray with the German Steelbook release of Fanboys:
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I just watched it finally.
I think the one major point that the documentary fails on is that it seems to really lack clarification of the "Bonus Disk" issue. No real time is spent clarifying to the average person why the 2006 DVD is an insufficient release. So the ill-informed who watch the documentary will still look at it and say "why are they still complaining, they have the original versions to watch if they want." They do touch upon the issue, but not nearly enough considering how critical the issue is to the whole argument.
Other than that one critical error, it was very refreshing to see all our frustrations presented in this way. It was very zen like. Fingers crossed that it might actually make an impact.
BTW, the gushers seem to be popping up on the iTunes review page.
"George, we hate you for making more Star Wars movies. Please make more Star Wars movies."
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Dvd talk review...
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/52175/people-vs-george-lucas/
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SilverWook said:
Dvd talk review...
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/52175/people-vs-george-lucas/
Nice mention and link to The Secret History Of Star Wars. I still think that will be the difference maker eventually. Nice to see this site get a mention as well. Things are moving at a snail's pace, if at all, but we're no longer a silent minority.
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Finally got this on DVD a couple days ago.
I've watched it 5 times already, and I have to say I really enjoyed it. However, I don't think this movie is aimed at me, or OT.com members.
It's aimed at my parents and friends, who ask "You're getting the new Star Wars blu rays, right? You LOVE Star Wars!". When I say "No, I not picking up that crap", I now have this documentary to show them why. It does a very good job, in easy to understand terms, explaining why I'm so "anti-Lucas" and why I can't stand the special editions.
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Thanks for linking to my review. I used to post around here years ago. The DVDTalk back-end allows me to see how my reviews are being accessed, and I figured I'd pop back in.
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Your review shows great insight.
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Is the audio commentary track worthy on the US dvd? because here in France it was skipped.
But we do have some nice extras on the french dvd:longer interviews with Kurtz, Pollock, French critics, etc...
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Darth Bizarro said:
I just watched it finally.
I think the one major point that the documentary fails on is that it seems to really lack clarification of the "Bonus Disk" issue. No real time is spent clarifying to the average person why the 2006 DVD is an insufficient release. So the ill-informed who watch the documentary will still look at it and say "why are they still complaining, they have the original versions to watch if they want." They do touch upon the issue, but not nearly enough considering how critical the issue is to the whole argument.
i haven't seen this yet but if thats true, then its a huge dissapointment. that 2006 debacle - and the MTV interview - was the greatest indictment of lucas' childishness and fraudulence.
Also disappointing that Dale Pollack doesn't have much coverage. When he came out with that book, lucas screamed bloody murder and claimed it was all full of lies. It basically tells us what we all now know: lucas cannot write, cannot direct, storytelling and editing skills are ridiculously overblown, thin-skinned, didn't care if ESB ended up being a lousy movie(even before it went over-budget), craves merchandising revenue streams above everything else. Problem was, this was 25 years ago and lucas still needed to cultivate a sycophantic fan-base and personality cult. So the truth about him (and the PT) needed to be kept secret. Hence all the subsequent propaganda that followed. There's a good reason why almost no one from the OT cast and crew was surprised at how the PT turned out. dismayed, perhaps - but not surprised.
then again, this doc is supposed to be more about the fans, so maybe it would have digressed.
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Yeah Dale Pollack didn't get a lot of time but there is a quick shot of him showing a copy of his book signed by G.L. himself.
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Why would Lucas sign the Pollack book if he's not happy with it? *confused*
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