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I must admit I'm feeling rather jaded these days. Not just with Lucas' unrelenting contempt for the OOT but in part because of the very obvious 'us and them' situation in which we find ourselves. I had a mooch around on the Empire magazine forums earlier and in the Star Wars thread one 'fan' was moaning about some guys YouTube account and suggested that it was 'probably full of screen-grab comparisons, SW fan-edits and other Lucas-related vitriol'.

How can you argue with that shit?

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Are you guys really serious with this? You feel down because SW is not the same anymore? Come on! That should be the least of your worries! If i felt so down about SW as you guys i would've put a bullet through my head!

Don't worry about a stinkin' movie so much. Its pathetic.

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but... but... these are more than movies for me... it is my childhood and... Lucas raped it...

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WhatsMyName said:

Are you guys really serious with this? You feel down because SW is not the same anymore? Come on! That should be the least of your worries! If i felt so down about SW as you guys i would've put a bullet through my head!

Don't worry about a stinkin' movie so much. Its pathetic.

"Who's worried?"

ZING!

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Jacobss said:

but... but... these are more than movies for me... it is my childhood and... Lucas raped it...

 you gonna be immature with that Lucas raped my childhood thing?

And i'm not worried. I can live with SW as it is even if i don't agree with the changes.

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The problem is the damage it is doing to the OOT.

You got people now trying to say that ANH is boring, ESB is overrated, and ROTJ just plain sucks.

It just goes to show that the stuff Lucas has done (and unfortunately continues to do) is now having its effect on what was once legendary.

Too many books, comics, etc. Bad timelines, storylines, etc. A cartoon that creates ridiculous continuities. I mean, how many times have Anakin and Dooku dueled now?

The way I would describe it is like a watered down drink. After awhile, you forget that there was once alcohol in there somewhere.

And now Darth Maul is coming back? My God. And the sad joke is that we all already know it is being done to hype the 3D release of TPM.

Can't just promote it and hope to sell it on its own merit. Nope.

“Anakin had those qualities so rarely seen, exuding an unmistakable confidence and yet still able to touch one’s heart in simply knowing how he was so flawed… wounded.”

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Let's keep the conversation on the high road? Please?

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WhatsMyName said:

Jacobss said:

but... but... these are more than movies for me... it is my childhood and... Lucas raped it...

 you gonna be immature with that Lucas raped my childhood thing?

And i'm not worried. I can live with SW as it is even if i don't agree with the changes.

It was sarcasm. I've repeated your post (in sarcastic form) to all people, who are "depressed" with the current state of SW. I also want the OUT to be released in HD, but if that will not happen, I will not cry. These are only movies. Yes, it is connected with our chilhood (therefore these can be seen more than just movies), but now, in 2011, it's time to let go. I accept that I can't have everything in my life, and that my childhood is long gone. Many of our childhood memories are connected to this movies, but we won't regain it, if SW will become, what it once was.

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You need to work on your sarcasm...especially if you throw out the rape thing.

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Jacobss said:

Yes, it is connected with our chilhood (therefore these can be seen more than just movies), but now, in 2011, it's time to let go. I accept that I can't have everything in my life, and that my childhood is long gone. Many of our childhood memories are connected to this movies, but we won't regain it, if SW will become, what it once was.

I will never agree with this. The point seems to be totally lost on you. I adored Star Wars as a child and I love it as an adult, but to just go 'ok it's shit but at least it's something' is ludicrous. The point isn't the fact that he has fucked around with it so much that it's making less sense than ever before, it's the fact that he's dismissed the original, awesome movie (remember, the cool one with the ace sound) to the point where he's actually physically destroying any remains of it. Anyone with a brain within their head can see there's something seriously wrong here (despite the many, and potentially illegal aspects of his actions).

This, and only this, (the EU and Prequels can fuck off, IMO)is why I'm feeling in anyway 'down' about Star Wars.

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I'd feel the same if it was "Citizen Kane"... important cultural stuff deserves to be preserved.  Just "let it go" is not the purpose of this forum.  That's why there are people here doing their own preservations/restorations, and the various efforts such as the webpage(s) and facebook page, petition, etc.  It's not about whining, it's about acting.

There are three other forums I belong to with similar aims for other topics (not Star Wars), just so you know that it's not just some weird SW fixation.

"Close the blast doors!"
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TV's Frink said:

You need to work on your sarcasm...especially if you throw out the rape thing.

Well, it's hard to express "sarcasm" on the internet. Besides that, english is not my native language and my culture is totally different from yours, so it's natural that we have different views on such things.

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Jacobss said:

Yes, it is connected with our chilhood (therefore these can be seen more than just movies), but now, in 2011, it's time to let go. I accept that I can't have everything in my life, and that my childhood is long gone. Many of our childhood memories are connected to this movies, but we won't regain it, if SW will become, what it once was.

I will never agree with this. The point seems to be totally lost on you. I adored Star Wars as a child and I love it as an adult, but to just go 'ok it's shit but at least it's something' is ludicrous. The point isn't the fact that he has fucked around with it so much that it's making less sense than ever before, it's the fact that he's dismissed the original, awesome movie (remember, the cool one with the ace sound) to the point where he's actually physically destroying any remains of it. Anyone with a brain within their head can see there's something seriously wrong here (despite the many, and potentially illegal aspects of his actions).

This, and only this, (the EU and Prequels can fuck off, IMO)is why I'm feeling in anyway 'down' about Star Wars.

What you said here does not contradict anything I said.

I am not a member of this site since yesterday. I was a reader already in 2004 and joined here two years ago. I totally understand anything about preservation of SW and knowing some things, I will not cry if OUT is not released by Lucas ;).

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I'd feel the same if it was "Citizen Kane"... important cultural stuff deserves to be preserved.  Just "let it go" is not the purpose of this forum.  That's why there are people here doing their own preservations/restorations, and the various efforts such as the webpage(s) and facebook page, petition, etc.  It's not about whining, it's about acting.

There are three other forums I belong to with similar aims for other topics (not Star Wars), just so you know that it's not just some weird SW fixation.

I hope you were not responding to me. Because if you did, then all my effort of posting, being active etc. on this site makes no sense. I know exactly what and why we are doing it. I was just responding to people doing nothing and whining. Strangely, but people who are doing something (like Adywan, Harmy, you etc.) are not whining, but people who does nothing, are talking bullshit like (GL raped my childhood etc.). Personally I'm involved in preservation of SW on another site (you know exactly what I'm talking about ;) ) and that's why I will not cry if OUT will not be released.

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Those trolls at originaltrilogy.com are mean and disrespectfull.

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Jacobss said:

TV's Frink said:

You need to work on your sarcasm...especially if you throw out the rape thing.

Well, it's hard to express "sarcasm" on the internet. Besides that, english is not my native language and my culture is totally different from yours, so it's natural that we have different views on such things.

So are you saying "rape" means something different in your culture?

And because sarcasm is difficult to express on the internet, the burden of expression lies with the one who is attempting to use it.

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TV's Frink said:

Jacobss said:

TV's Frink said:

You need to work on your sarcasm...especially if you throw out the rape thing.

Well, it's hard to express "sarcasm" on the internet. Besides that, english is not my native language and my culture is totally different from yours, so it's natural that we have different views on such things.

So are you saying "rape" means something different in your culture?

And because sarcasm is difficult to express on the internet, the burden of expression lies with the one who is attempting to use it.

You still don't get it. I have not invented "Lucas raped my childhood". Don't you see that I was just laughing about those whiny fanboys, who scream the whole time that they want OUT, because it's the part of their childhood. They don't want to preserve it. They don't care about the cultural impact and history. They want subconsciusly regain they childhood by getting it. Sadly, it's impossible. It's gone. Forever.

I care about OUT only because of preservation. It was part of my childhood, yes, but my childhood is gone. I won't care so much about movies, only because there were part of my childhood. I care about them because Lucas want to rewrite the history. That's all. And I think that's also the goal of this site. This site was not created for whiny fanboys to get movies from their childhood. It was created to convince Lucas to preserve OUT and make it available to the public. It didn't happen, so we have to do it with our own hands.

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Those trolls at originaltrilogy.com are mean and disrespectfull.

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CWBorne said:

Readers will be able to enjoy the EU long after Karen Traviss will have laid down the pen. I think fans will still enjoy this franchise many decades from now, and that's something to be happy about.  

 

I enjoyed it more before she picked up the pen and started shitting all over Star Wars. She's like the Lucas of EU.

 

Also, Jacobss, you're not getting what Frink is saying, his issue is you saying "rape." Even/especially in jest.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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SW fans wouldn't be seen as immature, whiny fanboys f they didn't use the "rape" exaggeration.

Within the realm of film enjoyment, the SW community has a reason to be disgusted with Lucas and his tampering, greed, and dishonesty. Why people talk about rape, I'm not sure. They are correlating the treatment of movies to a very serious, disgusting, awful act. I understand the frustration but don't agree with the expression of that frustration.

However, most SW fans seem to be rational and don't view this as anything outside of the film scope. The vocal minority can often stand out most, though.

My life is not affected by SW anymore. I cherish the UOT memories and am glad to have it in various forms (VHS, dvd, laserdis, fan preservations, etc.). I'm as disappointed as anyone in Lucas, but I gave up on him a long time ago and have held the lowest expectations since.

If we ever really get the UOT restored, great. If not, that's fine.

Please, stop the rape talk.

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Tyrphanax said:

CWBorne said:

Readers will be able to enjoy the EU long after Karen Traviss will have laid down the pen. I think fans will still enjoy this franchise many decades from now, and that's something to be happy about.  

 

I enjoyed it more before she picked up the pen and started shitting all over Star Wars. She's like the Lucas of EU.

 

Also, Jacobss, you're not getting what Frink is saying, his issue is you saying "rape." Even/especially in jest.

 I like her writing. Republic commando novels were awsome. It didn't intersect in anyway with the movies and so had its own storyline.

On topic, i really doubt Lucas tampering with the OUT is ruining them in anyway. What is important about the movies are the story they tell, not the way they look...Even though that does help.

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Cuchulainn said:

Jacobss said:

Yes, it is connected with our chilhood (therefore these can be seen more than just movies), but now, in 2011, it's time to let go. I accept that I can't have everything in my life, and that my childhood is long gone. Many of our childhood memories are connected to this movies, but we won't regain it, if SW will become, what it once was.

I will never agree with this. The point seems to be totally lost on you. I adored Star Wars as a child and I love it as an adult, but to just go 'ok it's shit but at least it's something' is ludicrous. The point isn't the fact that he has fucked around with it so much that it's making less sense than ever before, it's the fact that he's dismissed the original, awesome movie (remember, the cool one with the ace sound) to the point where he's actually physically destroying any remains of it. Anyone with a brain within their head can see there's something seriously wrong here (despite the many, and potentially illegal aspects of his actions).

This, and only this, (the EU and Prequels can fuck off, IMO)is why I'm feeling in anyway 'down' about Star Wars.

What you said here does not contradict anything I said.

I am not a member of this site since yesterday. I was a reader already in 2004 and joined here two years ago. I totally understand anything about preservation of SW and knowing some things, I will not cry if OUT is not released by Lucas ;).

 

I misread you, my apologies...

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It's over guys. We're done. Lucas has succeed in doing what he wants to the OOT, and in a generation, it'll be a footnote and a memory. It's not coming out again. Ever. And it's goddamn sure never getting restored. Throw in the towel. We've lost.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Okay, I guess you should cancel your OT.com account and bid us goodbye then.

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PS there is a thread for that in off-topic.