Vladius said:
That's like shooting an arrow and painting a bullseye around it. Having yellow eyes is an effect, not a cause. If you don't address or don't like the causes then it doesn't make any sense.
It's a visually oriented medium, right, but that doesn't mean you need a cue. Yellow eyes would be redundant because Mark Hamill's expressions say it all.
Mrebo said:
Indeed, paint me confused...as giving Luke yellow eyes would only apparently accentuate the problem Seph has with the scene.
I think there's a misunderstanding on where I'm coming from here.
The problem I have with the scene is not its intention. I think it's good idea and great part of the story that this scene represents Luke's final temptation, and concludes with him coming just short of the edge, and coming back right before he goes too far. I don't want to change that or downplay that at all.
It's the logic of the events leading up to that moment that I have an issue with (that and maybe the choreography, but that's a separate issue), but my solution would never be to change the intent of the scene (as I interpret it of course). A cop-out they may be, but Sith eyes exist in episode III to remove any doubts and give clarification that yep...he's evil all right. I think it's fair to criticize it as somewhat lazy, but part of me feels like Luke could benefit from that given how shaky his motivations are.
I never said it , on its own, would fix the issues I have with the scene, and I am on the fence about them. I just didn't think they were a horrible idea because I think the scene needs tweaking, and I still feel that way.
Sith Eyes may not be the answer, but Mark Hamill's expressions just don't "say it all" to me, and there are apparently even interpretations of the scene where he's not close to the darkside at all.
Now onto another note:
DominicCobb said:
I was watching ROTJ on Blu-ray the other day, and a thought occurred to me during the Rancor scene. If Luke is a Jedi, why doesn't he use the force shut the door, or even just push the button? Now I think the scene is classic, so I wouldn't want it removed, but would it be possible to have Luke shut the door without a rock?
I would LOVE to hear some radical ideas for this scene.....because I had the exact same thought watching it the other day. A lot of this has to do with how powerful we've come to percieve Jedi as being over the years through the PT and even the EU....but Luke seems so helpless in this whole sequence to me for a Jedi, and it's kind of a weak conclusion to be quite honest.
Having him use the force to throw the rock is a definite improvement, but even that's kind of suspect. Would hitting it with a rock even do that logically? Maybe it would be better if the switch was ignored completely and he used the force to bring the entire gate itself crashing down without it?