The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 232

IV, II, V, III, VI always works quite well.

If you wanted to take it a step further you could easily divide each film into either 2 or 3 segments, and mix them up even further. Here is a running order I outlined ages ago for a personal project

THE STAR WARS

part i    -    The Wind that Shakes the Stars

opens with a screaming body burning on the molten shores of mustafar. (a scene which haunts the entire series). Followed by obiwan bringing a baby to the homestead. *TITLE*

Removal of original opening of ANH, film starts from luke and we only follow his story. ends when luke leaves Tatooine on the Millennium Falcon

part ii    -    An Age of Heroes

Abridged AOTC to follow a more heroic anakin and obiwan.

part iii    -    A New Hope

Follows leia from beginning, until Millennium Falcon is captured. Rest of the film. throne room possibly cut.

part iv    -    The Empire Strikes Back

Film up until luke is on dagobah and han is in the asteroid.

part v    -    Shadow of the Black Knight

ROTS up until palpatine's revelation

part vi    -    The Dark Victory?

Second half of ESB. end scene of the fleet possibly cut.

part vii    -    The Secret Apprentice

very abridged TPM foucusing on anakin and qui-gon, examining possible routes of evil. ends in council chamber where anakin makes his choice to save palpatine.

part viii    -   

ROTS from anakins turn onwards, ending with him burning (a possible scene which is repeated throughout all the films)

part ix    -    The Last of the Jedi

First half of ROTJ. ends with the tyderium leaving hangar

part x    -    The Return of the Jedi

Second half of ROTJ, opens with emperors arrival, ending with luke cremating vader.

ben_danger said:

IV, II, V, III, VI always works quite well.

If you wanted to take it a step further you could easily divide each film into either 2 or 3 segments, and mix them up even further. Here is a running order I outlined ages ago for a personal project

THE STAR WARS

part i    -    The Wind that Shakes the Stars

opens with a screaming body burning on the molten shores of mustafar. (a scene which haunts the entire series). Followed by obiwan bringing a baby to the homestead. *TITLE*

Removal of original opening of ANH, film starts from luke and we only follow his story. ends when luke leaves Tatooine on the Millennium Falcon

part ii    -    An Age of Heroes

Abridged AOTC to follow a more heroic anakin and obiwan.

part iii    -    A New Hope

Follows leia from beginning, until Millennium Falcon is captured. Rest of the film. throne room possibly cut.

part iv    -    The Empire Strikes Back

Film up until luke is on dagobah and han is in the asteroid.

part v    -    Shadow of the Black Knight

ROTS up until palpatine's revelation

part vi    -    The Dark Victory?

Second half of ESB. end scene of the fleet possibly cut.

part vii    -    The Secret Apprentice

very abridged TPM foucusing on anakin and qui-gon, examining possible routes of evil. ends in council chamber where anakin makes his choice to save palpatine.

part viii    -   

ROTS from anakins turn onwards, ending with him burning (a possible scene which is repeated throughout all the films)

part ix    -    The Last of the Jedi

First half of ROTJ. ends with the tyderium leaving hangar

part x    -    The Return of the Jedi

Second half of ROTJ, opens with emperors arrival, ending with luke cremating vader.

Can this be fan edited right now? Possibly as a miniseries? Yes? Honestly, this needs to be done.

That actually would be a really cool fan edit. It reminds me of the idea of Star Wars TV series modernization that was the subject of a thread some weeks ago. That viewing edit is quite nice.

There was this thread many moons ago.

Interesting. I actually was reminded of this thread, but that one seems to fit the purpose of a hypothetical edit more.

Hey guys. Sorry, this is a little outta the blue, and....terribly specific... but I thought of an interesting bit related to the whole Maul=Grievous idea. Basically, it's a bit of dialogue that takes place after their duel. It's Maul-grievous's final death rattle. Something to the effect of:

"Again you have defeated me, Kenobi. But I am slain with the knowledge that the Jedi are destroyed"

Something like this would give Obi (and the audience?) an extra shock and perhaps propel the story forward a little faster, having the conspiracy start to reveal itself to him a bit earlier. Also, it gives Maul a little bit of personal revenge and twisted closure....

Doable? Worth it? Waste of time? 

I quite like the idea of fooling the viewers into thinking Maul/Grievous is reborn as Vader so it would be fun if he said something that would be later mirrored by old Ben who would spiritually return from the dead when Vader kills him.

teharri said:

 

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teharri said:

 

Brilliant i say!  Brilliant!  Absolutely iconic!

So, we have a shot of the jedi temple like that (in hd no less) but do we have enough/appropriate footage of anakin to create a full shot?

mrbenja0618 said:

teharri said:

 

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 Just trying to throw an idea for the Radical Redux. I feel that pictures illusrtate a better view than words.

I am learning how to use photshop so take it easy on me.

teharri said:

 

OMG!!! :O THAT IS AMAZING!

Kudos, dude! KUDOS!

This sort of idea has been proposed before.

No apology required.

I pointed out that it had already been proposed so you could read the responses from back then.

Remove episode designations! Roman numerals to the back of the line!

The idea is, you watch em in this order, with no episode designations:
A New Hope
Clash of the Jedi
The Empire Strikes Back
Agents of Evil
Return of the Jedi

This would work for the same reason that the 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6 order works better (see the thread about that) because it preserves the twists and develops the characters at about the same time they are introduced in the OT.

Proposed crawls:

STAR WARS

Clash of the Jedi 

The galaxy is at peace. The wandering Jedi Knights keep order

and justice in the lawless areas. 
 
In the darkness, a threat stirs. Led by the

warrior Darth Vader, the army of the greedy Separatist Confederation

makes an attack on the tranquil world of Alderaan. 
 
Two Jedi, Obi Wan Kenobi and his elder brother Qui Gon, lead the 
liberation of the conquered planet...

STAR WARS 
Agents of Evil 

The Republic's Clone Army is hard pressed to battle the Confederation. 
The Jedi are caught in the brutal fighting, spread thin across the galaxy. 

The evil Darth Vader has risen again. With the knowledge of the corrupted Jedi,  
he has swept into Coruscant and captured its Chancellor. 
 
Above the city planet, Anakin Skywalker and his mentor Obi Wan race to  
rescue the beloved leader...

Clash of the Jedi (or a better title) is Episodes I and II.

It starts off with the final battle of TPM, sans Gungans (if permission is obtained, perhaps Lone Gungan Edition's version.) This starts off with Qui Gon talking to the droid about taking the people to Coruscant, but flipped horizontally so he is going towards the end of the hangar where Maul arrives.

Naboo is Alderaan. Obi Wan and Qui Gon (both full Knights) are brothers. After the duel of the fates, Qui Gon's final words are taken as cryptic; Obi Wan only later finds out that a boy single handedly destroyed the control ship. The next scenes show the podrace and the events surrounding it, where Qui Gon went through considerable effort to free the boy from slavery. The camera pulls back, and an older, Ep2 era Obi Wan is watching the footage (recorded by R2 I guess) in the library (just a database he has access to, no Jedi affiliation.) The movie then proceeds as an even shorter Attack of the Phantom-esque cut of Episode 2, which is a pretty good standalone movie when edited correctly. Most of the new cuts would be in scenes with Palpatine where Anakin does not appear, and scenes with the Jedi, who are relatively unimportant. The idea is to keep the focus on the main characters, something the OT does very well.

The major changes are that Anakin and Padme as a couple are not secret, as there's no reason for them to be, and Anakin takes Padme to Tatooine, not because he has a vision of his mother, who isn't a slave, but because he wants to show off his new girlfriend to his mom, and his sister Beru. Only then, he finds out she's kidnapped. The Sand People aren't just some indigenous beast people, they're a failed attempt at making clones by the Confederation, which is why they're humanoid with the weird masks, and they're insane. Anakin has a real motive for revenge on the (real) bad guys, and Padme can be more forgiving - they are pretty close to animals, and they were specifically created to be evil barbarians. Padme is a hawk encouraging a normally peaceful Anakin to war, or at least a supporter of the creation of the army, which explains why she is a target of assassination.

Instead of a large, organized body, the Jedi are roaming warriors who decide what they want to do. The Jedi in the temple under Mace Windu work directly for the Senate. This explains why they don't send more Jedi to go fight Darth Maul, why Mace arrests Palpatine in the name of the senate, etc.
There could also be a subplot similar to Han Solo returning to help Luke blow up the Death Star. The Senate Jedi scold Obi Wan and Anakin for recklessness, but they show up at the end to save them anyway.
Ideally, borrowing Spence's idea, Darth Maul is just Darth Vader, which is an honorific title of the most powerful evil Jedi (no Sith, just evil Jedi.) In the next movie General Grievous is the new Darth Vader reborn, as other people suggested. This is an easy change to make as it can be done in the crawl and most of episode 1 isn't there.

Also as other people suggested, Geonosis and Tatooine are the same. The enemy army is hidden on the other side of the planet, maybe Anakin finds out from a redubbed (car salesman?) C3PO or a dubbed tusken raider.

For simplicity's sake, Boba and Jango Fett are the same, and the Federation and the Separatists are just the Separatist Confederation. Dooku is not named, but called "the Count," and this way, he shows up in the same movie as Qui Gon, which makes him being his master more powerful.
Yoda is not seen until the (Force only!) fight at the end, where the Count and Obi Wan both recognize him. Maybe there's an offscreen line where Obi Wan addresses him as master. He is a mysterious figure so when he comes next in ESB, it's even better.

Agents of Evil is mostly Episode III.
The main changes would be:
Darth Plageuis is Darth Vader instead, a legend.
Anakin keeps his visions about Padme a secret. She dies in childbirth while he is away, relatively early on. Anakin is too ashamed of his dealings to go to the funeral. The deaths of the Jedi feed directly into his ability to keep her alive. Mace Windu's death triggers a scene of her waking up, and the ruminations scene takes place after Anakin marches into the temple (of course he's crying!) This lets her stay alive long enough to be Leia's mom that she remembers. It also explains why she dies while she is still young; Vader no longer cares, and there are no Jedi left to kill to keep her alive. Bail Organa is the king of Alderaan after Padme is seen as dead, making Leia an actual princess.

This is a good video for this, credit to The Cutter:
Padme still alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adxvS_vjOTo&feature=channel_video_title

The Cutter has another good one that's been posted before, where Padme "no longer has any meaning" to Vader http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GvpT_7BMAc
 

Obi Wan and Padme conspire (possible explanation by C3PO, he's not doing anything else on that ship) to fake her continued pregnancy in order to hide the children from Anakin, which is why she's still got the belly on Mustafar, unless someone wanted to do the creepy work of removing it.

Upss, wrong thread!

^You may find better results posting here which also has some really good ideas which you may want to use.

Damn, that's where I wanted to post :) I just saw the Radical Redux Ideas... and thought I was in the ANH Radical Redux Ideas thread.

I'll move it there, thx for point out my enormous FAIL.

someone not so long ago suggested cutting the obi-wan/vader duel from ANH, so we just see the beginning and the climax. a fair point if we consider that in a I-VI running order, duels may at this point become somewhat tiresome.

this got me thinking, has anyone ever considered completely cutting the palp/windu duel out in the same fashion? we see them exchange words, then we follow anakin rushing to the scene, then enstead of expecting a civilised arrest going on, the entire suete has been trashed and there is a jedi about to assassinate the chancellor. could create some much needed empathy to anakin and some ambiguity to the events. and would eliminate the whole lightsabre too.

some additional still shots could be inserted of the other jedi dead in various places with smoke rising from them, later suggeting they were just zapped to death.

ben_danger said:

someone not so long ago suggested cutting the obi-wan/vader duel from ANH, so we just see the beginning and the climax. a fair point if we consider that in a I-VI running order, duels may at this point become somewhat tiresome.

this got me thinking, has anyone ever considered completely cutting the palp/windu duel out in the same fashion? we see them exchange words, then we follow anakin rushing to the scene, then enstead of expecting a civilised arrest going on, the entire suete has been trashed and there is a jedi about to assassinate the chancellor. could create some much needed empathy to anakin and some ambiguity to the events. and would eliminate the whole lightsabre too.

some additional still shots could be inserted of the other jedi dead in various places with smoke rising from them, later suggeting they were just zapped to death.

I had a similar thought not too long ago. I think having the scene focus only on Anakin would create much more suspense.