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mrbenja0618 said:

Did anyone on here actually see it? I did. It was a big mess. BIG mess.

mrbenja0618 said:

I mean, it's ok. The most note worthy thing he did was remove Jar-Jar.... But yet he was still very much present in Watto's store! Weird... And then the ending... Oh wow that ending. Biggest "Wha?" I have ever uttered in my life. Wow.

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Akwat Kbrana said:

... I followed Prologue fairly closely prior to its release, and downloaded/watched it shortly thereafter. I found the experience to be more painful and cringe-worthy than sitting through the official PT itself.

As someone else mentioned, his visuals are fairly impressive, and one or two sequences are laudable. But the overall editing job is so poorly done, the entire thing just feels hacked-up and confusing. My wife (who isn't a hardcore Star Wars fan) sat through it with me, and couldn't follow the plot to save her life. We were especially taken aback by the train-wreck of an ending. It's like AntiMatter went so far with the project, decided "eh...that's good enough," and just released it unfinished.

The really hilarious part is that he doesn't even accomplish what he set out to do. One of the major objectives of this fanedit was to restore "saga secrecy," i.e. preserving Vader's secret identity. In the beginning of the edit, this purpose is served by deleting any reference to "Anakin" when Vader's dirty ROTS deeds are referred to. When he gets to the end of his edit (the Palpy-Mace-Anakin confrontation) AntiMatter is clearly out of ideas, so he slaps a two-second shot of Dooku showing up unexpectedly, and then ends the edit there, with no dénouement or closing sequence or anything, just a bad montage of a few random ROTS scenes. He explained on his site something to the effect of "now when you watch the OT, there's a 50-50 chance that Vader is either Anakin or Dooku." Which really doesn't make any sense at all. Even ignoring Dooku's advanced age in ROTS, the fact that he retained all the ROTS footage showing Obi-Wan and Padme discussing Anakin's (some unnamed person's) youngling killing spree and expressing disbelief/concern for Anakin (the mysterious stranger), pretty much rules out any reasonable person from concluding that Dooku did it (whom Obi-Wan and Padme neither know particular well nor care for).

In short: it's a garbled mess. It's kinda laughable that AntiMatter deemed it worthy for public release when it was obviously a rough draft, and a poor one at that; ...

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TheBoost said:

Watched it.SPOILERS.

Credit where credit is due... the rotoscoping of Jar Jar was kinda alright. Except when he just showed up sometimes.

Honestly, this edit doesn't make a lot of sense.

We first here Dooku's name at about 5 min, then not again for an hour. He shows up for 2 min and hour later, then vanishes until a real bad last second appearance in a scene he had no reason to be in.

I don't know why Padme died.

I don't know who Darth Sidious, The Chancellor, The Emperor, or Palpatine are. Some old ugly guy tells the soldier to kill Obi and a bunch of Jedi I don't know.

Out of nowhere the old ugly guy says he's worried about someone named Vader, then a few seconds later we meet Vader in full armor strapped to a table. (only noticeable terrible audio cut) Hello. No mention of his is ever made again

Obi-Wan and the girl we never met are sad because someone we never met killed younglings, but this doesn't seem to go anywhere.

We get a flashback to a decent, if confusing abridged TPM. To avoid Anakin saying 'are you an angel' the conversation starts even MORE awkwardly, with Padme out of nowhere saying "I don't understand this place" to a kid she's never met. Then she leaves saying "Nice to meet you" and he's never spoken. Is he autistic?

Later, inside Obi-Wan's flashback of AOTC we get to see Anakin's flashback to how much he liked podracing, Kitster, and his mom. A little odd and felt out of place.

And the ending. Is it supposed to be ambiguous as to who Vader is? Because I didn't see any reason to suspect ANYONE was Vader. Vader was just this other dude who never did anything in the movie. I certainly had no reason to think it was Anakin, Dooku, or the dude who killed younglings from three hours earlier.

Lastly, the credits end with a title card that says if you don't like this edit, you're a lemming. Dude really likes that word.

It was ambitious, mostly technically proficient, and ultimately not that rewarding to watch. Perhaps engaging in a dialogue with other enthusiasts rather than with 2 sycophants and a couple sock accounts by himself would have helped him tighten his work up.

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Watched like 40 minutes of it, and while it first started as a refreshing and bold fanedit, it quickly became a mess.

For example: maybe I'm a bit slow between the ears.... but why rotoscoping out Jar Jar in the scene where he goes in the water (the one with his big cartoony jump)... if you keep the splash? Why the fucking splash is left here? I tried and tried to get an answer to that, but came with nothing. If someone can explain, I'd like it.

And you just can't have OB1 and Quigon entering the water for no reason (although just maybe to hide from the Federation, all right) and in the next scene with them, they are at the Naboo Palace. Going from underwater in a forest to the Palace needs an explanation. I like movies that let the audience do the thinking, but there are limits.

Too bad because I thought the begining of the edit was pretty interesting (although a lot of weak sound and music transitions). There are some clever cuts in the first 30 minutes (even if it felt more like a Clone Wars episode than a movie. But I like Clone Wars!), but then the following minutes completely destroyed the thing for me: random short scenes to lead the audience to the flashback ("13 years earlier" text above the picture).

Maybe I'll give a try to the rest of the edit, as the first minutes showed some bold and refreshing ideas like starting in the middle of the war and trying to hide Anakin's indentity, but I really think the faneditor got overwhelmed by his vision. 

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I started watching this the other night and only had time to watch the opening stuff from ROTS.  It seemed very choppy from a narrative standpoint, and I did hear some rough audio transitions as well.  I'm going to try to watch the whole thing, but we're off to a rough start.

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Moth3r said:

TheBoost said:

Lastly, the credits end with a title card that says if you don't like this edit, you're a lemming. Dude really likes that word.

 

Seriously? Hahaha!!! I really want this thing now! Sounds like "The Room" of prequel fan edits.

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Is it just me, or did AntiMatter's avatar just become strange?

It happens when the image doesnt appear and its link is broken :)


-Angel

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I'm through the first hour now.

TPM is smoother than ROTS as far as the narrative goes, but there are still occasional odd jumps that make little sense if you've never seen it before.  And a few hard audio transitions as well.  I forget who said it, but I agree that removing Jar Jar but leaving the splash in the water where he dove in makes no sense.  And why show them going in the water at all, since the next time we see them they are entering Theed?

On Tatooine there is one long shot with Jar Jar in it (I think rotoscoped in so he isn't walking with the rest of the party) which maybe is meant as an easter egg or something but is just distracting.  And then he shows up in Watto's shop for absolutely no reason.  Oh, and like TheBoost said, the abbreviated first discussion between Padme and Anakin is really poorly done.  It makes no sense and is really really awkward.

Like everyone else, I will admit that the removal of Jar Jar is really well done from a technical standpoint.  I did notice one or two brief instances where a bit of his audio was left in even though he was removed visually, however.

Still not impressed, but will keep going...

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TV's Frink said:

I'm through the first hour now.

TPM is smoother than ROTS as far as the narrative goes, but there are still occasional odd jumps that make little sense if you've never seen it before.  And a few hard audio transitions as well.  I forget who said it, but I agree that removing Jar Jar but leaving the splash in the water where he dove in makes no sense.  And why show them going in the water at all, since the next time we see them they are entering Theed?

On Tatooine there is one long shot with Jar Jar in it (I think rotoscoped in so he isn't walking with the rest of the party) which maybe is meant as an easter egg or something but is just distracting.  And then he shows up in Watto's shop for absolutely no reason.  Oh, and like TheBoost said, the abbreviated first discussion between Padme and Anakin is really poorly done.  It makes no sense and is really really awkward.

Like everyone else, I will admit that the removal of Jar Jar is really well done from a technical standpoint.  I did notice one or two brief instances where a bit of his audio was left in even though he was removed visually, however.

Still not impressed, but will keep going...

Treat it like a band-aid and get it over with, Frink. Or......Stop. That's actually a better option in this case.

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The watching in 30 minute chunks thing is not by choice - it's all the time I have.

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Ah, this edit again.... made by the same guy who raised a big stink and accused me of "plagiarism", claiming that I stole an edit from his "work" for my own EP1 fanedit Attack of the Federation. :P

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Got through the TPM section.  First a little praise (SPOILER AHEAD)

 

 

 

 

 

R2D2 flies in the space battle over Naboo all by himself, and destroys the droid control ship.  It's a pretty neat idea, and it's executed really well.  Anakin is rotoscoped out of all his scenes and it's very impressive.

Having said that, it does kind of hurt his character development since we don't see him being a hero in any way.  I certainly prefer edits that make him the hero without any accidental success..but this was certainly a neat alternate idea.

The second half of the TPM section has so many odd choices.  For instance, on Tatooine, Ani is rotoscoped out of the Maul vs. Qui-Gon lightsaber battle.  I don't know why it is necessary, but it would work...except Qui-Gon still yells "tell them to take off."  Who is he talking to?

When they approach Coruscant, Ric Olie's lines are removed...except where he says "Chancellor Valorum is waiting for us."  Fine...except it's a voice over and we never see him.  So who is talking?

Ani is not shown on Coruscant at all...and yet the Jedi Council still talks like they tested him.  What?

On the way back to Naboo, the queen asks for R2's help instead of Jar Jar.  I guess she needed him to be a projector to explain her plan?  Or maybe she wanted him to save the day in the space battle...except that's never clear either.  It certainly seems like he acts on his own.

Back on Naboo, the Droid army marches on the Gungans...except the Gungans aren't ever shown, so it's not clear who (or why) the Droid army is marching on.  And Sid even says "wipe them out," but we have no idea who he is talking about.

In fact, given that we never see the Droid army fighting anyone, why did the Control ship have to be destroyed in the first place?

Honestly, the whole second half of TPM is a choppy, narratively confused mess.  If you were watching this as your first exposure to TPM, you would have no idea what was going on.

Lastly, the transition from a shot of Ani at Qui-Gon's funeral to Obi in EP3 saying "I will take the boy and watch over him" makes no sense.  Maybe he's supposed to be talking about Anakin rather than Luke (and maybe I need to watch more), but we already saw the first part of the scene in the beginning of the edit.

Basically, WTF?

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TV's Frink said:

Got through the TPM section.  First a little praise (SPOILER AHEAD)

 

 

 

 

 

R2D2 flies in the space battle over Naboo all by himself, and destroys the droid control ship.  It's a pretty neat idea, and it's executed really well.  Anakin is rotoscoped out of all his scenes and it's very impressive.

Having said that, it does kind of hurt his character development since we don't see him being a hero in any way.  I certainly prefer edits that make him the hero without any accidental success..but this was certainly a neat alternate idea.

The second half of the TPM section has so many odd choices.  For instance, on Tatooine, Ani is rotoscoped out of the Maul vs. Qui-Gon lightsaber battle.  I don't know why it is necessary, but it would work...except Qui-Gon still yells "tell them to take off."  Who is he talking to?

When they approach Coruscant, Ric Olie's lines are removed...except where he says "Chancellor Valorum is waiting for us."  Fine...except it's a voice over and we never see him.  So who is talking?

Ani is not shown on Coruscant at all...and yet the Jedi Council still talks like they tested him.  What?

On the way back to Naboo, the queen asks for R2's help instead of Jar Jar.  I guess she needed him to be a projector to explain her plan?  Or maybe she wanted him to save the day in the space battle...except that's never clear either.  It certainly seems like he acts on his own.

Back on Naboo, the Droid army marches on the Gungans...except the Gungans aren't ever shown, so it's not clear who (or why) the Droid army is marching on.  And Sid even says "wipe them out," but we have no idea who he is talking about.

In fact, given that we never see the Droid army fighting anyone, why did the Control ship have to be destroyed in the first place?

Honestly, the whole second half of TPM is a choppy, narratively confused mess.  If you were watching this as your first exposure to TPM, you would have no idea what was going on.

Lastly, the transition from a shot of Ani at Qui-Gon's funeral to Obi in EP3 saying "I will take the boy and watch over him" makes no sense.  Maybe he's supposed to be talking about Anakin rather than Luke (and maybe I need to watch more), but we already saw the first part of the scene in the beginning of the edit.

Basically, WTF?

All I can say is; you haven't seen anything yet! The upcoming edits make what you've seen look like Shakespeare.

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What's really sad is that this could have been a neat edit.

I understand why the guy would want to start his own website, and more power to him.  But why not also stick around and get input from more than the four sycophants that are active members over there?  When you are trying something ambitious, you really need other eyes on the work - and critical eyes to boot.

It's a shame, really.

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TV's Frink said:

What's really sad is that this could have been a neat edit.

I understand why the guy would want to start his own website, and more power to him.  But why not also stick around and get input from more than the four sycophants that are active members over there?  When you are trying something ambitious, you really need other eyes on the work - and critical eyes to boot.

It's a shame, really.

This.

You're right. Antimatter did have potential although with the power to create without any abandon, he made this. With refining and input from others, it could have turned out into something we could have all enjoyed a lot more. One can easily get caught up in their own art and refuse to take criticism (*cough* Lucas *cough*). He did have some technical skill after all, as proven by the Jar Jar removal which is only now being explored again by Spence.

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Watched the AOTC section through Obi-Wan's visit to Kamino. Two major issues jumped out:

1) During the speeder chase, Obi says "well, you've lost him." And then we cut to Obi and Ani in the Club, looking for her. What? They lost her, but suddenly they are in the exact right place to look for her (and know it) despite the entire planet being one big city, as Ric would say.

2) There is no explanation of how Obi figures out to go to Kamino. None. He takes the dart to the analysis droids, they tell him pretty much nothing, and suddenly he's in the library trying to find Kamino (which of course he names without any previous reference to it).

This really is like a workprint that no one bothered to review before release.

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I was just looking at the edit details for this and discovered:

- Naboo cruiser escape removes bad acting and dialogue from pilot and Panaka.

First of all, I agree about Panaka.

However, I don't see how anyone could call my acting anything but brilliant.  The dialogue isn't my fault, although I did ad-lib both "look over there" and "you catch on pretty quick."  Unfortunately they were both removed from this edit, rendering it nearly unwatchable.

And "pilot?" What an unforgivable offense.  My name is known far and wide throughout the galaxy.

This is a travesty.

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TV's Frink said:

2) There is no explanation of how Obi figures out to go to Kamino. None. He takes the dart to the analysis droids, they tell him pretty much nothing, and suddenly he's in the library trying to find Kamino (which of course he names without any previous reference to it).

From the edit detail page:

- "Kamino" (in Aurabesh type) is now seen flashing on the computer display during the Jedi temple analysis scene. We also hear a results tone before the reveal.

I see.  We are required to know how to read Aurabesh in order to follow a major plot point.  And the "results tone" is supposedly meant to clue us in.

This seems like something Lucas would have changed.

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TV's Frink said:

TV's Frink said:

2) There is no explanation of how Obi figures out to go to Kamino. None. He takes the dart to the analysis droids, they tell him pretty much nothing, and suddenly he's in the library trying to find Kamino (which of course he names without any previous reference to it).

From the edit detail page:

- "Kamino" (in Aurabesh type) is now seen flashing on the computer display during the Jedi temple analysis scene. We also hear a results tone before the reveal.

I see.  We are required to know how to read Aurabesh in order to follow a major plot point.  And the "results tone" is supposedly meant to clue us in.

This seems like something Lucas would have changed.

This is brilliant and something to implement into EVERY prequel edit from this day forward!

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mrbenja0618 said:

TV's Frink said:

TV's Frink said:

2) There is no explanation of how Obi figures out to go to Kamino. None. He takes the dart to the analysis droids, they tell him pretty much nothing, and suddenly he's in the library trying to find Kamino (which of course he names without any previous reference to it).

From the edit detail page:

- "Kamino" (in Aurabesh type) is now seen flashing on the computer display during the Jedi temple analysis scene. We also hear a results tone before the reveal.

I see.  We are required to know how to read Aurabesh in order to follow a major plot point.  And the "results tone" is supposedly meant to clue us in.

This seems like something Lucas would have changed.

This is brilliant and something to implement into EVERY prequel edit from this day forward!

Agreed, I'm going to have to re-edit The Republic Divided to use this approach, as it is obviously far superior to my direct and clear solution of using ENGLISH to convey the information. Damnit!

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Incidentally, if this hasn't been made quite clear yet, there's no way this could ever be approved on FE.org due to the problems with the narrative.

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CP3S said:

Moth3r said:

TheBoost said:

Lastly, the credits end with a title card that says if you don't like this edit, you're a lemming. Dude really likes that word.

 

Seriously? Hahaha!!! I really want this thing now! Sounds like "The Room" of prequel fan edits.

If only it was that entertaining.  This is just a confused mess.