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Originally posted by: Bossk
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Shes perfect, an angel, my dream girl.

That TRO is forthcoming...
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Originally posted by: starkiller
Welcome everyone, to the end of good taste and common sense in America's youth.

heh heh.
I'm sorry, but its not a laughing matter.
At his age, I would have been soundly slapped across the mouth, then been sucking on soap for using that word. (Actually, at that age, I wasn't even aware of the word, but I led a semi-sheltered life, and its not worth getting into that).

I suppose if asked, jimbo would tell us that Showgirls and Striptease are American classics, and he wouldn't understand what the medievel concept of 'courtly love'. That women are to be looked up to, placed on a pedestal (just high enough so you can look up their dress ) for worship, and respected.

I see no respect from jimbo. Not for women and not for classic cinema (such as the classic SW trilogy and Schindler's List).

As a result, I also find myself losing some of the respect I had for him based on a very few things he said concerning Fahrenheit 9/11 that I agreed with.

Now, that aside, Natalie Portman is a very fine woman. She attended...Harvard (right?), so there must be something significant between her ears. She has a fine face and its not at all displeasing to the eye.
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Your a women aren't you Starkiller. I love Star Wars. I am a huge Star Wars fan. Never seen Showgirls but it looks good. Im a guy. Thats how us guys are. Bossk is just making fun but Starkiller you sound serious and that puzzles me. If anything I find women in society have less respect for men then men do for women.
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I think my scratchy goatee and mustache pretty much seal it jimbo.
I'm definitely not a woman.

I spent 5 years in a Catholic school, and all 24 years of my life under the same roof as my parents. Unlike some families, they tried they're best to instill strong old-school moral values in me.

1. I was never jaded in anyway by a "free" allowance. I had to work for my money by doing chores.

2. If I did something wrong, I suffered the consequences. Mouth washing (my choice...bar soap, or pump soap. Trust me, choose the bar), cheek-slapping, spanking (you know those plastic paint-sticks with the 1/4 inch diameter holes? I'm now immune to their effects), a good rap on the back of the head, no TV, sitting on a chair for X minutes (which I suppose is what you might call now a "time out"), standing in the corner.
(I usually wasn't sent to my room because I had enough books and stuff that I enjoyed that).
And I learned right from wrong.
(Ever seen that episode of Southpark where all the kids are "diagnosed" with ADD? Remember the "radical" treatment chef found out about? I'm all for that.)

3. Guys are like that? Absolutely, but you cross a line with me.

Now, if you cannot have/show respect for a simple actress on the screen, how can anyone expect you to have an respect for something important. A boss, a spouse, yourself, the people around you??
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Never heard a guy talk like that. Not even an older one. Its nice to dream about girls you have absolutly no chance with in real life. Ever been to a real high school. I am probably the least perverted guy I know. Never brought a playboy to school unlike many guys I know. As Al Bundy once said "because we get horny and don't have the sense to say no"
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I agree with you, it is nice to dream.

But the line of thought behind your statement...it disturbs me. You attend a Star Wars movie for the story and the action.
Not to hope that you get a sneak peak.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I find women in society have less respect for men then men do for women.


Oh you gotta be kidding, Jimbo...

And starkiller, only 5 years? Try 13 years in a strict catholic school like I did...
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Well, if it means anything, it was my first 5 years, K-4.
Then, my family moved to a new state, and I started 5th grade in a public school.

My point was, though, that the experience (plus the stable family life) instilled me with something I consider special, something that I think sets me apart from some of the people I've met.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I find women in society have less respect for men then men do for women.


Oh you gotta be kidding, Jimbo...

And starkiller, only 5 years? Try 13 years in a strict catholic school like I did...


No I am convinced of this. Women have a belief that men are pigs.

They expect men to pay for everything on a date.
They say Women and children in a disaster. What the hell makes a womens life more valuble then a mans
More women channels then mens
Women having more rights to the kids in a divorce
80% of all income is made by men. 80% of income is spent by women
In most countries, a quota law ensures that - in case of equal qualifications - a female applicant has to get the job if more than 50% of the employees are male. No such law is in place for men.
Women have fought their way into every men’s club and organisation, and are now able to enforce their membership by law. Would you dare demanding access to a women’s group?
A lot of venues organise ‘ladies’ nights’ - similar events for gentlemen would be illegal
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Starkiller, I respect all that you said, and agree with it completely. I am nineteen, and though I'm from Jimbo's generation, I was long ago appalled with the way my generation and others regard women and often behave in general. I admit that I had a crush on Natalie Portman when I saw her in the first two prequels, but I wouldn't have been nearly as taken with her had I not read how intelligent she actually was. It's always tempting to dream about the women we see in movies and so forth, but you have to draw a fine line. You can see their beauty and simply admire it, or you can let it go further, which can be completely detrimental, especially as the odds are very slim that you'll ever set eyes upon them, much less say more than five words to them. I admit it, I have a Princess Leia Winamp skin with her wearing her slave outfit, and I have desktops with Keira Knightley from King Arthur and items such as that, but they are not because I'm horny. I find females mystical and lovely and I view them as equals, and so it sickens me at the way many men treat women.

Starkiller, even though I'm as young as I am, I too have had my mouth washed out and have been spanked many times over the years. I was sent to my room, but my parents paddled me or gave me a tongue-lashing first, so I would go to my room with enough of a heavy conscience that I couldn't bring myself to read or do anything else. Today, being in college and seeing the utter lack of discipline rampant on my campus, I greatly respect how my parents disciplined me, and realize things would be a lot better if other parents did the same thing.

And Jimbo, please quit accusing those of you that disagree with you on this point as being gay or female in an attempt to put holes in their argument. Just because someone put his hormones under control doesn't make him gay or anything else. It just means he's not horny.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
They expect men to pay for everything on a date.
They say Women and children in a disaster. What the hell makes a womens life more valuble then a mans
More women channels then mens
Women having more rights to the kids in a divorce
80% of all income is made by men. 80% of income is spent by women
In most countries, a quota law ensures that - in case of equal qualifications - a female applicant has to get the job if more than 50% of the employees are male. No such law is in place for men.
Women have fought their way into every men’s club and organisation, and are now able to enforce their membership by law. Would you dare demanding access to a women’s group?
A lot of venues organise ‘ladies’ nights’ - similar events for gentlemen would be illegal


Ok, let's see those arguments of yours, one by one:

1- I've never allowed a woman to pay anything at all in a date. But that's me.
2- Maybe because there are more women watching TV then men. Some women don't work.
3- That's because kids are usually emotionally connected to the mother, but I've seen the opposite happen more than once. Besides, sometimes the divorce happened because the father violently abused the children, it's very rare hearing of a mother beating up their kids.
4- That's because, unfortunally, it's harder for women to have jobs. And do you think they spend all those 80% only on buying things to herselves? (80, really? where do you get those numbers?)
5- I don't think you even NEED such a law. If both qualify, hire the woman, that's what I've always said.
6- I'm not sure I understood what you meant, but... uh, depends on the "group"...
7- Please be more specific. I'm not sure there is any law in the world that allows women to do something, and men don't.

Jimbo, perhaps you've been watching "Married with Children" too many times. Maybe you could try being like Andy Kaufman and challenge them to a wrestling match!
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Theres no such thing as too much Married with Children. Its a great show. Al Bundy is my ideal. I watch that show religiously and believe in the NO MA'AM. I got into a fight with my ex-girlfriend when I asked her to pay. I was short on cash and she wasn't. It seemed only fair. She broke up with me and she never put out. Not once. I don't think I was that unreasonable. Also I believe I have mentioned Natalie Portman as being brilliant in previous posts. I have respect for intellegence. Though I always put looks above personallity. Caring about personality is like talking to a guy. Also ricarleite you haven't answered my most important question. In a disaster what exactly makes a womens life more valuable then a mans?
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Originally posted by: jimbo
No I am convinced of this. Women have a belief that men are pigs.

1. They expect men to pay for everything on a date.
2. They say Women and children in a disaster. What the hell makes a womens life more valuble then a mans
3. More women channels then mens
4. Women having more rights to the kids in a divorce
5. 80% of all income is made by men. 80% of income is spent by women
6. In most countries, a quota law ensures that - in case of equal qualifications - a female applicant has to get the job if more than 50% of the employees are male. No such law is in place for men.
7. Women have fought their way into every men’s club and organisation, and are now able to enforce their membership by law. Would you dare demanding access to a women’s group?
8. A lot of venues organise ‘ladies’ nights’ - similar events for gentlemen would be illegal
1. That is a conscience/subconscience sign to them that you are capable of providing for them.
If you cannot pay for a lousy dinner, what makes you think you can take care of credit card bills or mortage payments?
2. Children still have their lives to live. Women...gee, I don't know, maybe it has to do with reproduction.
3. I cannot explain this. I think ricarleite has the best explanation.
4. Wouldn't know.
5. In the traditional western family unit, that's how it is. The man provides, the woman prepares.
6. I'm against quotas of any kind. If you're qualified for the job, you should get the job.
7. Not Augusta!!
8. I think this is best compared to the Black History Month discussion we had a few weeks ago. "Gentlemans' Nights" aren't done probably because the venues have that most of the time (unless I'm misinterpretting the kind of "ladies night" you mean.

I wanted to add something. I probably shouldn't, but I think I'd like to see what kind of reaction I can get from it.
Over the weekend, I saw this headline:
Nicole's looking for love
Upon further investigation of the article, it says that Nicole Kidman is "desperately looking for a fella" and that "I’m a 37-year-old with two kids. Men aren't beating a path to my door."

I don't get it. Jimbo, if men are like you think they are, why exactly is she having this trouble? She's beautiful and, to put it bluntly, she's loaded.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't dream a little after reading the article.
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I never debated children. No doubt children should survive first. I just don't know what makes a womens life more valuble then a mans. I find it insane. I also agree all quotas must stop. Its not always true that the father is abusive or that the kids are more attacted to the mother. Often good fathers loose all rights to there kids because of a coruppt system that favors the mother way to much. It has to stop.
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Does anyone know what changes (at lease for right now) are being made for the star wars trilogy on dvd?
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Originally posted by: Luke30
Does anyone know what changes (at lease for right now) are being made for the star wars trilogy on dvd?


As far as I know, nothing has been confirmed. All that's been said is "there will be changes". My guess is we won't know anything 100% until 9/21 or some enterprising individual puts them on the internet.
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alexborn007 I know you answered this once before but how has ben burrt re-master the sound for the star wars trilogy on dvd?
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Originally posted by: Luke30
Does anyone know what changes (at lease for right now) are being made for the star wars trilogy on dvd?


The digital Jabba in A New Hope has been replaced by a much better digital Jabba
The Han and Greedo scene has been modified. Greedo still shoots first but it no longer looks as technologically bad
The lightsaber effects have been improved
The Emperor hologram is now played by Ian Mckarin
Naboo has been added to the end celebration
Anakins ghost is now Hayden Christianson (This is the only one I don't like)
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Jimbo, Are these changes comfermed by lucasflim?
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Originally posted by: Luke30
alexborn007 I know you answered this once before but how has ben burrt re-master the sound for the star wars trilogy on dvd?


Well, as mentioned, nothing official has been said. Just tid bits from Lucasfilm reps. But it seems as though they are basically going back to the oldest of the old and remastering it. The SE's seemed to have been rushed a bit in the sound department so the films (ANH especially) is being broken down almost sound by sound through the original stems. Which, if memory serves, are essentially the individual tracks of those sound spikes you'd see on the side of film (so seperate SFX, dialogue and music tracks). What I don't know and am not well aversed enough to tell you is if this means actually going back to ORIGINAL mag track (the tape used to record audio and then mixed into the film) or just returning to an older print and doing a step by step tune up.

It would seem like they are doing something really intense though as the film's quality has degenerated considerably. Plus, the best any of them were ever mastered for was LD and its resolution leaves a lot to be desired these days. Hope this helps you, but all I've heard is the comment about the sound stems (which is exciting nonetheless). Expect a mammoth and beautiful remaster though. Burtt is no schlub
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Originally posted by: Luke30
Jimbo, Are these changes comfermed by lucasflim?


According to the bits and theforce.net yes.
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jimbo you say all this shit about women and you wonder why you don't have a girlfriend...
maybe if you were to treat a girl like they should be treated then maybe you wouldnt have to bitch to us about how your a horny kid and girls make you sick...

I have always done everything i could to make my girlfriend happy and so far we've been together 3 years...
yes i've even paid for her when we go out to places!!
what the hell is the big deal about that??
and because i do that for her she usually pays for me sometimes...

all you have to do is cut this women puts us men down crap and just treat a girl how you would like to be treated... with respect...

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According to the bits and theforce.net yes.


wow... i didnt know that the bits worked for Lucas ..... and surely a site full of fans boys like theforce.net must be right...
NONE of these have been confirmed by LUCASFILM!!
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I am just saying I believe women are treated better in society then men. I have no doubt of this. I also have two sisters. I hate them. There worthless individuels. I believe women have more rights then men and have given several examples of why. True women deserve respect but so do we. Also the bits does not post fanboy rumors. There rumor mill is industry speculation. If they say its confirmed is confirmed. I trust the bits.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I am just saying I believe women are treated better in society then men. I have no doubt of this. I also have two sisters. I hate them. There worthless individuels. I believe women have more rights then men and have given several examples of why. True women deserve respect but so do we. Also the bits does not post fanboy rumors. There rumor mill is industry speculation. If they say its confirmed is confirmed. I trust the bits.


OMG!!!!

Well let's just say that you have been born in the wrong century my lad!

Let's take you back in time to say........................the 18th or even 19th century.

You'd probably feel very much at home there.

If in doubt, my young friend, here's a little bit of a history lesson for you.

Ever heard of Womens Emancipation?

The burning of the Bra's saga?

Nope?? didn't think so...........

Women have been treated as second class citizens for so long I can't even begin to quote figures (or even make them up ), the Womens Suffragete movement lobbyed & fought for basic human rights, the right for them to have jobs & earn equal pay to Men, to be able to serve in the Armed Forces, TO VOTE!!

Yup thats right Women were at one point NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE.....

Obviously there are still a few of us Men out there who believe in the old fashioned views (as our grandfathers did once) that Women should be courted & wooed. Doors should be opened for them, they should be taken out for meals, bought flowers etcetcetc

thats fine by me.....however many women nowadays don't like to be made to feel they are getting a "free lunch" & like to either pay their way (again fine by me) or even....gasp............... treat their fella to a decent night out.

Sorry if this upsets ya Jimbo, its the way society has progressed, ya could almost call it EVOLUTION

Im not gonna call you a sexist pig, just cant be bothered, but that feisty young attitude of yours might end you up in court in later life on Sexual Harrasment charges.........

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I believe in equality. Yes women should have equal rights to men. But I think we are the opposite of the 19th century right now. It was wrong to not let women vote but its just as wrong for the legal systemto give mothers more rights in a divorce. I personally know a friend of my fathers who lost his kids in a corrupt legal system. He seemed like a good father and his kids agreed but the court now rarely lets him visit his kids. That happenes more then you think. Legal system always believes its the males fault. It needs to end.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I believe in equality. Yes women should have equal rights to men. But I think we are the opposite of the 19th century right now. It was wrong to not let women vote but its just as wrong for the legal systemto give mothers more rights in a divorce. I personally know a friend of my fathers who lost his kids in a corrupt legal system. He seemed like a good father and his kids agreed but the court now rarely lets him visit his kids. That happenes more then you think. Legal system always believes its the males fault. It needs to end.


While I disagree with a lot of the things you've been saying, I do have to agree here. There's definitely a bit of a double-standard in society. In the past, various groups (women, black people, etc.) were opressed. They didn't have the same rights as the "dominant" groups at the time (males, white people, etc.) and weren't allowed to vote and so on. Thankfully, though, those days are over and now everyone has equal rights. However, with political correctness and all that, there's now a double-standard between those formerly oppressed groups and the formerly dominant groups. If a woman or black guy or whatever insults or makes fun of one of men or white people or whatever, nobody really says anything about it and it's generally ignored and stuff, but whenever the roles are switched around the people from the formerly dominant groups get called racist or sexist. And it's not just when there are insults or jokes or whatever. It also goes for crime. If a woman gets beaten by her husband, or a bunch of white guys beat up a black guy or whatever, it gets on the news and there's a big story about it and the beatings get called racist or sexist crimes or whatever, but if it was the other way around, it generally wouldn't be like that. Think about it - how many times have you heard news stories about wives beating up their husbands? I sure haven't heard very many. And don't say it's because it doesn't happen, because it does. Things like these happen from ALL sides, but when the roles are reversed from the usual way, it's doesn't get reported on as much because of the double standard.

Well, I'm done for now. Anyway, like I said before, I disagree with Jimbo on a lot of stuff he's been saying, but I agree about the double standard issue. It does exist.

And by the way, I know that there are more than just the groups I mentioned involved when it comes to double standards, but I'm just using these ones as examples.