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OK, back up a minute - something I'm not understanding.

Tech question - the print from the private collector - why couldn't it be copied?  Technical problems, money problems?  The copy then becomes something LFL and Fox can confiscate?

My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.

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Technical problems apparently. But the way I understand it, it was because they tried to copy it photochemically. I'm sure a digital scan would be quite possible.

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His master plan is: In 100 years, people will see the special editions like the only Star Wars and no one will remember the first versions (this has already begun). This is egomaniac. He actualy see himself still controlling SW after his death.... that is sad to think about. I mean for him.

As much as Star Wars will always be considered like a turn in movie history for his special effects and the cultural phenomenon; I'm sure in 100 or 200 years people will not look at Star Wars with same eyes as the early fans of the OT. They will have new movies, or piece of entertainment, or art form to care about. I have a news for you, Lucas: Star Wars will not make you immortal. You will just be a name on a list in 200 years ( a bigger list than most of us, but just a list anyway). And SW will be taken for what it is: a cultural phenomenon of the end of the 20th century. Not of the 21th.

Why not giving the UOT to the only people who ever care about it?

Us. And NOW.

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georgec wrote: I wonder what Katie Lucas' twitter looks like right now...

You should start a thread for your talk about her account. She is very far removed from this topic and will mostly likely never speak about it.

 

It's just a joke. :)

I don't think anyone should talk to her on Twitter. She doesn't make these decisions and attacking her doesn't help anybody.

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Why am I not at all surprised??

Great work from everyone involved in getting this information out. Anything involved with copyright and archives can be a major pain to get through all the red tape.

Tech IB prints aren't like a regular print. They essentially have been finished photochemically so there's nothing that you can do with them after that besides screen the print or digitally scan it. They were made to last...and look brilliant. If scanned correctly, I don't think there's much to be done afterwards. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Hmm...I've always wondered what materials RAH was referring to. I sincerely hope it wasn't the LoC.

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Can't post it yet (it will actually probably wind up as a nice article on savestarwars.com), but there IS more info to come. And maybe even something positive/hopeful...

It'll likely be late next week at the earliest though.

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canofhumdingers said:

Can't post it yet (it will actually probably wind up as a nice article on savestarwars.com), but there IS more info to come. And maybe even something positive/hopeful...

It'll likely be late next week at the earliest though.

 

"Positive/hopeful" sounds better than the alternative.  Can't wait to see what it is, as it looks pretty bleak right now.

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FunkyDays said:

canofhumdingers said:

Can't post it yet (it will actually probably wind up as a nice article on savestarwars.com), but there IS more info to come. And maybe even something positive/hopeful...

It'll likely be late next week at the earliest though.

 

"Positive/hopeful" sounds better than the alternative.  Can't wait to see what it is, as it looks pretty bleak right now.

Absolutely. I know I'm coming off as very naive here, but are most private collectors stuffy old reclusive millionaires like Charles Foster Kane, or might one be persuaded to make a personally-financed  scan of a Tech print, just so the damn thing doesn't disappear...?

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twister111 said:

 

georgec said:

I wonder what Katie Lucas' twitter looks like right now...

 

I considered sending this story to her via Twitter, but opted against it. She seems to really take criticism (even if approached lightly) very negatively, and the way I've seen her react to the trolls has been, well, just as nasty. 

I doubt it would make any difference whatsoever.

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Cuchulainn said:

FunkyDays said:

canofhumdingers said:

Can't post it yet (it will actually probably wind up as a nice article on savestarwars.com), but there IS more info to come. And maybe even something positive/hopeful...

It'll likely be late next week at the earliest though.

 

"Positive/hopeful" sounds better than the alternative.  Can't wait to see what it is, as it looks pretty bleak right now.

Absolutely. I know I'm coming off as very naive here, but are most private collectors stuffy old reclusive millionaires like Charles Foster Kane, or might one be persuaded to make a personally-financed  scan of a Tech print, just so the damn thing doesn't disappear...?

Lucas can just order any private collector to surrender his copy for destruction, probably by citing some intellectual property law. He has the power of a god, and as the LOC incident shows, he can tell governments what they can and cannot do to "his" films. It's only a matter of time that he orders the BFI archives to be handed over as well if they are not the Special Edition. He wants these films to be lost forever, and unfortunately he has the money and power to do this.

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canofhumdingers said:

Can't post it yet (it will actually probably wind up as a nice article on savestarwars.com), but there IS more info to come. And maybe even something positive/hopeful...

It'll likely be late next week at the earliest though.

Yeah the stuff you are passing on is making me re-think a few plans I had, but I wonder if I can really post a lot of it right now. Or ever. One thing I've always struggled with in savestarwars.com is by highlighting certain efforts or information I bring more risk of them being found out by Lucasfilm or risk Lucasfilm becoming more aggressive in removing all original materials. There are so many things I wish I could post about that few will ever know.

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Well, aside from raving and sputtering inarticulately about how abysmally asinine and excrementally foolish Lucas has become, the only other thing I can really say is thank friggin' Zombie Jebus for what Mike Verta is doing right now.

He and those private owners who have apparently provided materials to him for restoration work give hope that the thing will live on even if all other avenues fail.  To hell with copyright, I think it's clear that private restoration is a moral imperative at this point.

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This is why I agree with Mike Verta's decision not to release his restoration. Better to keep it a private project for the time being, than to jeopardize the mission by making it for-the-public and inviting LFL's intervention...

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This is why I agree with Mike Verta's decision not to release his restoration. Better to keep it a private project for the time being, than to jeopardize the mission by making it for-the-public and inviting LFL's intervention...


I don't know much about this project, & hadn't really thought about it. But now that you say that, I totally agree. Just knowing that it's properly preserved (even if I can't see it) would make me so much happier!

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On some level, sure. On many other levels, it would just piss me off even more :-/

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I guess the way I look at it is, so long as it's properly preserved, we're not in danger of really losing it. Sure I'd like to have a copy just as much as the next guy, but the preservation is the first step. I've no doubt that, in time, the preservation (once it's done, by whomever achieves it) will become more available. It's just a waiting game at that point. & I can be a lot more patient with the satisfaction of knowing that the biggest part (preserving the original films in high quality, preferably reference level) has been done & is out of Lucas's hands.

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captainsolo said:
Why am I not at all surprised??

Great work from everyone involved in getting this information out. Anything involved with copyright and archives can be a major pain to get through all the red tape.

Tech IB prints aren't like a regular print. They essentially have been finished photochemically so there's nothing that you can do with them after that besides screen the print or digitally scan it. They were made to last...and look brilliant. If scanned correctly, I don't think there's much to be done afterwards. Correct me if I'm wrong here.


As I understand it, Technicolor IB prints aren't like regular prints because they are NOT photochemical in nature. They are essentially made like lithographs, with multiple passes of dye supplying the various colors. That's why the colors don't fade like photochemical (e.g. - Kodak) prints, and why the blacks in Tech prints are known for being so inky black, and the colors so vibrant.

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/oldcolor/technicolor1.htm

The problem is that because of this process, the prints are very "dense" with ink, making duplicating difficult.

The best prints for duplication I guess then are regular old Kodak/Eastmancolor prints, but those will all have color fading by this time. But, as Robert Harris and others have said, most color fading of 70's era prints can be corrected.

Remember- there ARE prints of all 3 films in private collections. As Bill Hunt said, someday, someone WILL find a way to transfer them properly, color-correct them and release them to the public.

I know it's discouraging, believe me, I feel sick over this too, but we can't give up!

BTW-who's Mike Verta?

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I wish Lucas never went into filmmaking. He has tarnished his legacy too many times over to redeem himself.

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well, i actually have NO problem with Lucas, or what he's doing.

yeah, it's really not making sense, and seems detrimental. but hey,

he's the one that created the movies in the first place, and that's

his prerogative.

 

anyways, as mentioned many times before. if he had given good

copies of the prints or restored it properly.this site would't be here.

we would't be discussing this. (probably be over at theforce.net ha!).

and i wouldn't have met many people online.

 

i say give MORE power to Lucas, it's gives us fans more resolve,

and incentive to just get this thing done on our own. i'm sure

at some point people will donate prints that are worth saving.

 

that's what i'll do with mine, if i can figure out if they want them.

they're pretty beat up, but hey.. it's better than nothing!

 

later

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A world in which THX-1138, Star Wars, and Raiders were never made? Perish the thought!

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I fail to see how Star Wars never existing is better than its original form being awesome.

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