My Top 10 Reasons ROTJ sucks — Page 6

xhonzi said:

You would need to write comparing and contrasting observations to make your case that it's the worst.

No, I do not NEED to. You want me to, but I don't have to. Sorry.

I think RETURN OF THE JEDI is worse than PHANTOM MENACE after watching them all on Blu Ray.

Learn to deal with that.

sonnyboo said:

I am declaring victory, for the sole purpose of annoyance to TWOOFFOUR because he's an internet troll that will be annoyed by such proclomations and will inevitably end up him re-posting quotes of things I've written and things he's already written, and it will make me laugh because he cannot resist.

And I really beat him at his own game! TWOOFFOUR LOST THIS DEBATE!!!!

Dear sonny,

Unless I am mistaken, you have taken the pledge.  Should I remove you from the list?

Sincerely,
Frink

xhonzi said:

Apples vs Oranges
by xhonzi

Apples are better than oranges.  To wit: Apples come Washington and are red, except for when they're green and sometimes they're a little bit yellow.  They are round and you can put one in your lunch.  They have lots of natural sugars in them and start with a vowel.  Sometimes I slice them and others I just eat them.

Q.E.D.

I'm sold.  I'll take four crates of apples, please.

xhonzi said:

Here's my list of top 10 reasons Star Trek is better than Star Wars:

1. Your mom

2. Your butt

3. I.P. Freely

4. Pull my finger

5. u r dum

6. i rulz

   a. u drulz

7. John Tesh

8. DTS

9. T3h Suck

10. DSIII Blows up.

The end.

I'm sold.  I'll take four copies of ST:TNG on Blu-ray, please.

Loosely related to this thread (which I'm really starting to enjoy, btw):

The dvdactive review of Jedi on Blu was just posted.

Although often seen as the ‘lame duck’ of the original trilogy, I'm actually quite fond of Return of the Jedi. It’s easily the most action-packed of the original films, with an exciting opening act and a multi-layered finale that delivers both action and drama. The special effects work is superior to anything seen in the previous films, we are (properly) introduced to a variety of new and interesting characters (including Jabba and the Emperor), and it serves as a satisfying resolution to the events of the preceding movies. So why does it have such a bad reputation?

There have been many theories put forward to explain Jedi’s supposed inferiority, raging from directorial interference to lack of interest by the actors. The story goes that George Lucas was not happy with director Richard Marquand’s performance, and that Lucas himself actually directed much of the film. There has also been a fair bit made of Harrison Ford’s reluctance to be involved with the project, and some feel that he all-but phoned in his performance. Others are against the inclusion of the second Death Star, citing it as nothing more than a rehash of the first movie’s plot (ex-producer Gary Kurtz is among the detractors). However, perhaps the biggest criticism is of the furry little Ewoks, the presence of which is seen by many as nothing more than a marketing gimmick to sell toys to kids, rather than a genuine plot device.

However, while I can see where people are coming from with these comments, I don’t necessarily agree with all of them. I do agree that there’s a bit of a slump in the middle of the film, but I think it  is made all the more obvious because of the tremendous amount of action that surrounds it. I also agree with the comments about Ford, at least to a certain extent, as he’s nowhere near his wise-cracking best. Still, much of this can be explained by the hardships he endures and his character arc - he’s gone from rogue smuggler to self-sacrificing hero. Other than that, I think the film hangs together rather well. There’s plenty of character progression, the performances are no less ‘hammy’ than the previous films, and our own history has taught us that it is possible for a technologically inferior people to overcome a technologically superior force.

sonnyboo said:

twooffour said:

If you're fine with that, then don't write any articles on that - but then people will continue saying it's unsupported... but you're fine with that :D

I am fine with that.... mostly because if you read your sentence above -

Notice you are interjecting YOUR opinion that my blog "should" do anything.

I really don't have to do anything, nor SHOULD I write anything other than whatever I feel like.

You still lose! hahahahahahahahaaha

What a ludicrous frog you are.

The thread was created to list my Top Ten Reasons ROTJ sucks.... I am saying this again and again. What part of that is hard to understand?

Just finished the blu ray set. I wrote a blog about why ROTJ is the worst of the 6 movies.

:D

Usually when people criticise Jedi, it's based on what the film isn't, as opposed to what it is.

Mrebo said:

Jaskoen said:

Usually when people criticise Jedi, it's based on what the film isn't, as opposed to what it is.

Well said.

It's not a good film so I guess I'd have to agree there.

twooffour said:

What a ludicrous frog you are.

You are just a sore loser.

You lost, get over it.

hahahahahaha I WON I WON I WON

I really want a revenge of the sith looking battle of Endor. In other words, a battle of Courscant rehatch.

xhonzi said:

When you bring up objective points to validate your subjective viewpoint, you are begging discussion and disagreement.  Especially if you haven't done a good job.

I think we can all deal with it just fine.  You didn't do a very thorough job of trying to make your point.  So most of us will just ignore it and move on.

I wasn't aware that I had to do a thorough job of making my point. I just made a point, and I respect your opinion that you feel it wasn't done to your liking.

I've been waiting for you to move on for some time...

sonnyboo said:

twooffour said:

What a ludicrous frog you are.

You are just a sore loser.

You lost, get over it.

hahahahahaha I WON I WON I WON

Last chance.

sonnyboo said:

twooffour said:

What a ludicrous frog you are.

You are just a sore loser.

You lost, get over it.

hahahahahaha I WON I WON I WON

Hey, folks, does anyone else think that trying to reason with this hamster may be a vain effort?

The picture seems pretty clear to me - he had enough energy to express his half-baked arguments on the blog, but now his brain is (at least for the time being) completely overwhelmed by the objections and challenges and all he's still capable of doing is stubbornly protect his little turf subjective security.

It's all lame defense mechanisms, no reasoning or rationality available.

Maybe he just should be given some distance, and in a few weeks his ego will overcome the disturbing prospect of his own subjective opinion possibly being somehow invalid, his brain will grow some more connections, and it'll get better.

There absolutely isn't any sense in expecting anything more from him now - he's currently on auto-pilot, and you'd have more chances to get into a sensible discussion in the Chat with God.

Bingowings said:

Mrebo said:

Jaskoen said:

Usually when people criticise Jedi, it's based on what the film isn't, as opposed to what it is.

Well said.

It's not a good film so I guess I'd have to agree there.

Jaskoen said:

 

Bingowings said :

 

It's not a good film so I guess I'd have to agree there.

I agree. It's a great film.

 

It's a great disappointment of a film.

On the whole it's badly designed, badly written, shot with very little style of artistry.

It exists just to finish the story as quickly as possible.

It has some fun moments and Mark delivers a performance with genuine human passion to it but it's a sign of things to come.

If the PT wasn't more of the same only worse I doubt if it would be as highly regarded.

That's my observation, other eyes certainly see differently but other eyes love the PT with a passion too.

Darth Bizarro said:

Alright, that does it.  Frink, add my name to the petition please.

Done.

Note that it isn't a petition, however.

Darth Bizarro said:

Alright, that does it.  Frink, add my name to the petition please.

It's funny how everyone aside from you seems to realize who's the real weird douche in this thread.

Rather strange how you choose to ignore me over the OP based on the last few posts (sonnyboy spews nothing but defense plattitudes, I point out he spews nothing else but defense plattitudes), but yea, go ahead, sign the "petition" and go away - I don't need "this is just a movie! stop discussing it!" mouthbreathers like you to read my posts, thank you very much.

Should've done this long ago.

I don't agree with the OP on many points.  There is quite a bit I like about ROTJ, in spite of its shortcomings.

What's this whole argument about?  I don't even know what's going on.