Harmy said:
Sepharih said:
Asteroid-Man said:
Mr Ghostface said:
Why the hell would you WANT to change that scene? It doesn't look that way because of a technical error for heaven's sake.
Because it WAS a technical error - the footage was incorrectly transferred at 24 frames per second and then slowed down in post. For it to be considered an "artistic" approach would just be ignorant; you can argue that for a film like Gladiator which uses choppy slow-mo in a time where 60fps film is readily available, but the shoddy frame rate in that scene from ESB is a technical issue. The matte paintings stood well in their time and have gotten a bit of a boost, so why not this scene? It doesn't change the tone of the scene, nor does it change the story or pace of the film.
I'm all for this change.
Wait...really!??! I always assumed that was an artistic choice......there a source to confirm this?
Personally, I wouldn't mind enhancing that sequence in some way if there's a good idea....but I think it works fine as it currently is...intentional or not. The choppy framerate gives it an almost dream like surreal effect.....works well with the tone of the scene.
It IS definitely intentional. It is slowed down by repeating every frame exactly 3 times but the lightsabres are animated separately for each frame. The choppy slowmo effect starts with the shot of Vader entering and ends with the last shot of the cave scene, which is exactly the part that is supposed to be a dream/hallucination. There is nothing erroneous about it and it most certainly isn't a frame-rate issue and it would be seriously ignorant to think so. And 60fps for slow motion was surely readily available in 1979 just like now.
I'm not saying that Ady couldn't enhance it and give it some more modern dream-like effect but it definitely was not an error back then.
I always liked the effect on that scene. Even if it was done as a technical error. It feels surreal with an effect that is not overused (unlike normal slow-motion or any other blurry dreamy effect). This scene is not suposed to make you think "oh its a dream".
Both the effect and the music in this scene make it dizzy and confusing (this technique has the same effect in your head as the flashy frame-by-frame lights on a disco). A blurry dreamy effect would state clearly that its a dream and normal slow motion will make it "epic".