General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread — Page 25

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^ RotS Han child concept sketch

Hmmm... so Chewie and Dumb Kid Han Solo both knew Yoda before Luke met him... AND before they knew each other?

Yoda must be some kind of galactic match maker... except that he almost set Luke up with his sister...

But seriously, I guess you don't need Ghost Ben Kenobi in ESB anymore...

Luke: I'm just not sure what to do as a Jedi!  I wish Ben were here.
Chewie: [Nrahahawah.]
Han: He's right, Luke.  You should just go hang with our main man Yoda for a bit.  I'm sure he'll set you up.
Luke: I wish I could... but how could I ever find him?
Han: Chewie, where's your space cell phone?  I know you still have that gantsta on speed dial!
Chewie: [Guffahashahwah] (takes his space phone from that pouch he always wore and hands it to Luke).
Luke: What did he say?
Han: He says he's part of his 'favourite five' so it won't even use his minutes.

I want to steal that, but I'm not sure what I'd do with it.

^^ Needs more "Chewie: [Nrahahawah.]"

Funny how "The Padawan Menace" Lego movie actually went to town with this idea.

Lucas: So this is your new line, Vader...

Vader: No... NOOOOO!

Lucas: Yes, just like that.

zombie84 said:

Han: "Kid, I've flown from one end of this galaxy to the other and...well, actually now that you mention it, I used to hang around the Jedi a lot. It was really impressive, especially since I was 13 and still easily wowed by things like telekinesis and magic and feats of inhuman strength."

Kenobi: "Wait, you knew the Jedi?"

Han: "Sure. Is Yoda still around? I used to personally give him intel during the wars. Chewie used to give him piggie back rides, no joke."

Kenobi: "Holy shit, you guys knew Yoda? He's hiding on Dagobah."

Han: "Hey, you know what? Why don't we stop by and say hi. He would probably be helpful with this whole bringing-down-the-empire thing you're involved with."

Luke: "What? You said the Jedi were all but extinct!"

Kenobi: "Yeah, all but extinct. All but Yoda."

Luke: "Why wouldn't you say anything? And why have you guys been sitting around so long? Is this Yoda any good?"

Han: "I'm pretty sure he was like the President of the Jedi."

Kenobi: "Yeah, he's the most powerful person in the universe actually, and he trained me so I'm pretty tight with him. I can't believe I never thought of that."

Han: "Wait, I don't remember him training anyone."

Kenobi: "Well...technically, I was trained by this Qui Gon guy."

Luke: "And then you trained that guy, Darth Vader? The guy who killed my father."

Han: "Woah, woah, woah. You trained Darth Vader??"

Luke: "You've heard of him too?"

Han: "How could you have not?! Do you even know what you are doing here?"

Luke: "All the cool kids on Tatooine were joining the rebellion, so..."

Han: "And if you were Darth Vader's master I want all of you guys off this ship!"

Kenobi: "Relax, this was before he was evil. In fact, I pretty much killed him once and that's why he's in the suit."

Luke: "I can't believe you didn't mention any of this to me. Was this after he killed my father, Anakin Skywalker?"

Han: "Wait, your father was Anakin Skywalker?"

Luke: "You've heard of him too?!"

Han: "Well, back then everyone did, he was kind of famous. Don't they have Google on Tatooine? Then he became the Emperor's right hand man and kind of disappeared after he got into a fight with his former master...."

Kenobi: "Heh heh. So anyway Luke, about this mission..."

Luke: "Ben, what the fuck!! Is anything you told me true?? Well, maybe this won't be so bad if I can bang that smoking hot princess."

Kenobi: "Yeah, about that..."

ANH 3D, coming soon.

Scary. My puzzler hurts.

zombie84 said:

You know what's scary? George Lucas considered putting Young Han Solo in Episode III so seriously that he was featured in a draft of the script! And they did concept art!

WTF!! Somehow the retardedness of it all just dawned on me. What the hell went through his head? It says a lot about how Lucas thinks these days.

doesn't surprise me.  the whole thing was a big joke to him anyways.  Newsweek had it right when they said "fans felt Lucas was taking his money and laughing all the way back to skywalker ranch" when detailing all the lucrative merchandising deals lucas was able to sign before TPM came out.

the real story is not that lucas wanted Han Solo in ROTS, but why he was ultimately dropped.  unless, he never had any intention and just wanted it in the scripts to zing everyone - that wouldn't be out of character either.

Hey Zombie,

I've been reading several articles that you wrote and they are all fascinating.  Definitely looking forward to reading the rest of Secret History of Star Wars.  Had one question:

-what do you know about lucas' relationship to Martin Scorsese?

I know you mentioned marcia lucas edited his movies, so there's a connection there.  and I know they crossed paths over the years being from the same generation.  but that seems more like a 'friend of a friend' kind of thing.  and you documented with great humor that lucas was quesy with scorsese given his crazy drug use at the time.

But at the Oscars when Scorsese finally won best director, lucas went out of his way to make it look like him and scorsese were life-long friends and soul-mates and I am dubious about this.  I've followed many interviews with scorsese and read a biography of his that I can't remember the title - and there was never any real reference to Lucas.  Coppola, yes;  Spielberg, yes (he was supposed to direct cape fear :D)  but not lucas.

are they really that close?  if not, my suspicion is lucas was doing this for his own selfish reasons.  We all know what a prestige-whore he is (doing interviews with bill moyers, loaning out star wars props to the Smithsonian).  methinks he couldn't resist a chance being seen as king-maker to one of the best filmmakers alive.

Any knowledgeable film fan can tell you the only ability lucas shares with spielberg, coppola and scorsese is that he can pee standing up (to paraphrase charles barkley).  But lucas knows the power of images.  not long after the oscars, some apologist took a picture of lucas with spielberg, copolla and scorsese and titled it Cinema's Mt. Rushmore!!!

If im wrong, and they truly are very close friends then I'll stand corrected.  As a huge fan of scorsese, I remember all those years watching in dismay as he was not recognized only to be overjoyed when he finally won. If lucas is a true fan and even greater friend, he must have felt the same way.

interested in hearing your thoughts

xhonzi said:

Yoda must be some kind of galactic match maker... 

Actual lol :)  Made me visualize Yoda hosting the Dating Game:

zombie84 said:

Han: "Kid, I've flown from one end of this galaxy to the other and...well, actually now that you mention it, I used to hang around the Jedi a lot. It was really impressive, especially since I was 13 and still easily wowed by things like telekinesis and magic and feats of inhuman strength."

Kenobi: "Wait, you knew the Jedi?"

Han: "Sure. Is Yoda still around? I used to personally give him intel during the wars. Chewie used to give him piggie back rides, no joke."

Kenobi: "Holy shit, you guys knew Yoda? He's hiding on Dagobah."

Han: "Hey, you know what? Why don't we stop by and say hi. He would probably be helpful with this whole bringing-down-the-empire thing you're involved with."

Luke: "What? You said the Jedi were all but extinct!"

Kenobi: "Yeah, all but extinct. All but Yoda."

Luke: "Why wouldn't you say anything? And why have you guys been sitting around so long? Is this Yoda any good?"

Han: "I'm pretty sure he was like the President of the Jedi."

Kenobi: "Yeah, he's the most powerful person in the universe actually, and he trained me so I'm pretty tight with him. I can't believe I never thought of that."

Han: "Wait, I don't remember him training anyone."

Kenobi: "Well...technically, I was trained by this Qui Gon guy."

Luke: "And then you trained that guy, Darth Vader? The guy who killed my father."

Han: "Woah, woah, woah. You trained Darth Vader??"

Luke: "You've heard of him too?"

Han: "How could you have not?! Do you even know what you are doing here?"

Luke: "All the cool kids on Tatooine were joining the rebellion, so..."

Han: "And if you were Darth Vader's master I want all of you guys off this ship!"

Kenobi: "Relax, this was before he was evil. In fact, I pretty much killed him once and that's why he's in the suit."

Luke: "I can't believe you didn't mention any of this to me. Was this after he killed my father, Anakin Skywalker?"

Han: "Wait, your father was Anakin Skywalker?"

Luke: "You've heard of him too?!"

Han: "Well, back then everyone did, he was kind of famous. Don't they have Google on Tatooine? Then he became the Emperor's right hand man and kind of disappeared after he got into a fight with his former master...."

Kenobi: "Heh heh. So anyway Luke, about this mission..."

Luke: "Ben, what the fuck!! Is anything you told me true?? Well, maybe this won't be so bad if I can bang that smoking hot princess."

Kenobi: "Yeah, about that..."

Plif Zombie, I think I love you.

Sluggo said:

TheBoost said:

Somehow Lucas MADE Bill Moyers interview him and the Smithsonian display his stuff? Or could we look at it as Lucas graciously did those things since he already has the prestige as the director of two of the greatest most successful movies of all time, and the most successful independent filmmaker of all time, and a technological visionary?

And he somehow cleverly manipulated it so that a picture was taken of him and his peers (who he just presented an award with) when they were all together! Scandalous! Damn tricky apologists! This is unheard of!!!!!!

Fixed?

Star Wars is certainly on many a "greatest of all time" list. I'm not sure about how people feel about American Graffiti - in the 70s it was extremely well regarded. I personally think it just might be superior to Star Wars.

TheBoost said:

walking_carpet said:

 

 

We all know what a prestige-whore he is (doing interviews with bill moyers, loaning out star wars props to the Smithsonian).  methinks he couldn't resist a chance being seen as king-maker to one of the best filmmakers alive.

Any knowledgeable film fan can tell you the only ability lucas shares with spielberg, coppola and scorsese is that he can pee standing up (to paraphrase charles barkley).  But lucas knows the power of images.  not long after the oscars, some apologist took a picture of lucas with spielberg, copolla and scorsese and titled it Cinema's Mt. Rushmore!!!

Somehow Lucas MADE Bill Moyers interview him and the Smithsonian display his stuff? Or could we look at it as Lucas graciously did those things since he already has the prestige as the director of two of the greatest movies of all time, and the most successful independent filmmaker of all time, and a technological visionary?

And he somehow cleverly manipulated it so that a picture was taken of him and his peers (who he just presented an award with) when they were all together! Scandalous! Damn tricky apologists! This is unheard of!!!!!!

true, he didn't force anyone to do those things, but he knew it would make him look good.   I'll admit,  I thought it was cool, especially when the Field Museum opened an exhibit and I was able to see Darth Vader and C-3PO costume. 

and to your point that he already had the prestige - yes, but more than he deserved and he milked it.  Before the PT, he spent a lot of time talking about myths, kurosawa etc.  During the PT, he pushed very hard the angle that 'well, star wars was always lame.  they're just dumb kid movies'

for the oscar - i didn't say he staged all that; again, just he knew it would make him look good.  and maybe theres are part of me that felt robert deniro should have been there instead and my annoyance showed thru more than I intended.

I dont like saying this about someone.  Im not happy to call someone dishonest and deceitful and opportunistic.  but thats what he is.  There is plenty of evidence of this behavior -the biggest examples are him blathering on and on about how "star wars was actually a large multi-generational saga that I had planned all along."  another is "special effects are just tools for telling a story".  "Im really an art-house/experimental filmmaker". He didn't misspeak when he said these things.  He did it for a good reason.

Anyway, he could very well be close to scorsese and i'll stand corrected.  and i wouldn't mind knowing more about it because we hear so much about his relationship to Milius, De Plama, spielberg and coppola. But not this.

TheBoost said:

Tyrphanax said:

Forgive me, OT.com, for I have sinned.

I have put money in the pocket of Lucas. I bought a pair of Star Wars sleep pants at Wal-Mart yesterday. They were on sale, and they were a cool retro print taken from <a href="http://images.moviepostershop.com/star-wars-movie-poster-1977-1020189548.jpg">this poster</a> and had the old style logo and everything. I couldn't pass it up.

I hope that I can be forgiven.

I totally have those pants!

Star Wars is certainly on many a "greatest of all time" list. I'm not sure about how people feel about American Graffiti - in the 70s it was extremely well regarded. I personally think it just might be superior to Star Wars.

 Roger Ebert gave one of the best

reviews

for a movie when he wrote about it .  The movie itself (not to mention the setting) was before my time but he does explain why it had an impact when it came out in 1973 - just picturing how much the country change from 1962 to 1973.  guess timing is a lost art. 

can a movie be made about teenagers in the year 2000 come out today and show the same time of changes? 

walking_carpet said:

can a movie be made about teenagers in the year 2000 come out today and show the same time of changes?