3 ways Marcia Lucas (then wife of George Lucas) saved Star Wars — Page 3

I'm beginning to wonder if George is destroying Star Wars because Star Wars helped destroy his marriage. It sure wouldn't surprise me if that were so.

georgec said:

The main theories I understand to pertain to George's commitment to changing the movies and not releasing the UOT are:

1. His vision is changing constantly.

 That's probably literally true, due to his diabetes; even a half-blind man can tell you the DVD transfers were screwed up, but apparently, the emperor needs no glasses... :-P

Tyrphanax said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

Btw, Marcia kinda looks like Lucas in that profile shot... `^_^´

What is this I don't even.

 

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/3-ways-George-Lucas-wife-saved-Star-Wars/post/482442/#TopicPost482442 (MARCH 10, 2011)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Take-the-twooffour-Pledge/topic/13125/ (AUGUST 18, 2011)

I guess you expect me to go back and edit all my related posts prior to August 18th?

Ovan Marekal said:

georgec said:

The main theories I understand to pertain to George's commitment to changing the movies and not releasing the UOT are:

1. His vision is changing constantly.

 That's probably literally true, due to his diabetes; even a half-blind man can tell you the DVD transfers were screwed up, but apparently, the emperor needs no glasses... :-P

No need to get personal.

I considered that, but there isn't enough material to compose a whole book. It would like 50 pages. I proposed maybe extending this base to something book-length with her collaboration but she didn't go for it.

TV's Frink said:

Ovan Marekal said:

georgec said:

The main theories I understand to pertain to George's commitment to changing the movies and not releasing the UOT are:

1. His vision is changing constantly.

 That's probably literally true, due to his diabetes; even a half-blind man can tell you the DVD transfers were screwed up, but apparently, the emperor needs no glasses... :-P

No need to get personal.

Wasn't trying to be; just figured there had to be a more logical reason for letting those screwy transfers go than Lucas being THAT incompetent and not paying attention during the quality-control screenings...

I just thought of an odd parallel, yet somewhat opposite, that Star Wars shares with Star Trek. We all know how we feel about Lucas around here. He is the driving creative force behind the Star Wars Saga, yet he did not do it alone and we all know that an relish in giving the others their due.

Star Trek fans are not quite the same. For one thing, Roddenberry never pissed them off quite like Lucas has pissed of his fans. ST fans praise Roddenberry as the creator of Star Trek. Well, the classic series has as much outside input as Star Wars did. They turned down the first pilot (as too cerebral... a complaint that can be leveled at the first feature film and the pilot of ST:TNG, both projects he helmed directly) and asked for changes. Those changes, plus the input of all the talented writers and actors and further interference from the network, is really what made Star Trek great. Yet to hear ST fans today, it was all Roddenberry. What BS.

That is what I love about the community here. Lucas isn't some god, he is just a man with an idea that has grown beyond him. I love hearing the detail about the creative process and especially how the efforts of one person, Marcia Lucas in this case, helped to make the first trilogy what it was. Films really are a team effort and that really needs to be acknowledged.

Well, I had no idea about 85%-90% of this. Amazing story Zombie!

Also, I'm reading your book. I d/l it a long time ago and didn't read it for some reason, but now that i've started I can't put it down!!! Had to look for a while in 3 of my external HDs to find it, but I;m SO glad I did!

yotsuya said:

I just thought of an odd parallel, yet somewhat opposite, that Star Wars shares with Star Trek. We all know how we feel about Lucas around here. He is the driving creative force behind the Star Wars Saga, yet he did not do it alone and we all know that an relish in giving the others their due.

Star Trek fans are not quite the same. For one thing, Roddenberry never pissed them off quite like Lucas has pissed of his fans. ST fans praise Roddenberry as the creator of Star Trek. Well, the classic series has as much outside input as Star Wars did. They turned down the first pilot (as too cerebral... a complaint that can be leveled at the first feature film and the pilot of ST:TNG, both projects he helmed directly) and asked for changes. Those changes, plus the input of all the talented writers and actors and further interference from the network, is really what made Star Trek great. Yet to hear ST fans today, it was all Roddenberry. What BS.

That is what I love about the community here. Lucas isn't some god, he is just a man with an idea that has grown beyond him. I love hearing the detail about the creative process and especially how the efforts of one person, Marcia Lucas in this case, helped to make the first trilogy what it was. Films really are a team effort and that really needs to be acknowledged.

The interesting thing about Roddenberry is that many of his flaws occurred prior to an age in which that information could easily spread and that he ended up with little involvement towards the end of his life and thus could commit no sins in the fans eyes. Being kicked upstairs so you're no longer have direct control over major projects seems to have its advantages in terms of one's legacy. Having Berman and Braga to piss the fans off and supposedly tarnish your vision certainly helps too.  

Hell Gene has a pretty spotless reputation even though he once wrote lyrics to the Star Trek theme song that never got used just get some of the royalty money that would have all gone the guy who actually composed it. And even ignoring controversy regarding the original trilogy restoration, Gene still has a better rep than George.  

yotsuya said:

I just thought of an odd parallel, yet somewhat opposite, that Star Wars shares with Star Trek. We all know how we feel about Lucas around here. He is the driving creative force behind the Star Wars Saga, yet he did not do it alone and we all know that an relish in giving the others their due.

Star Trek fans are not quite the same. For one thing, Roddenberry never pissed them off quite like Lucas has pissed of his fans. ST fans praise Roddenberry as the creator of Star Trek. Well, the classic series has as much outside input as Star Wars did. They turned down the first pilot (as too cerebral... a complaint that can be leveled at the first feature film and the pilot of ST:TNG, both projects he helmed directly) and asked for changes. Those changes, plus the input of all the talented writers and actors and further interference from the network, is really what made Star Trek great. Yet to hear ST fans today, it was all Roddenberry. What BS.

That is what I love about the community here. Lucas isn't some god, he is just a man with an idea that has grown beyond him. I love hearing the detail about the creative process and especially how the efforts of one person, Marcia Lucas in this case, helped to make the first trilogy what it was. Films really are a team effort and that really needs to be acknowledged.

This thing about the Star Trek fans isn't entirely true.  I am one, and, if you are an honest Trek fan you are aware and okay with the fact that Gene Roddenberry wasn't a very good writer but he was one hell of an idea man.  It WAS his endearing ideas that shaped all who helped him make Star Trek what it was.  Gene also surrounded himself with like-minded people and gave credit where it was due....THAT is why he is so beloved to a Trek fan like myself and many others.

As for George, he had a crap load of help but he made everything his idea regardless of those who helped even though the truth is out there....everywhere.

Just saying.....  :) 

It's funny, because GL's decisions regarding the special editions and prequels has not only made me question his current connection to the Star Wars universe, but it's forced me to reconsider how much of the OT's success can truly be attributed to him and him alone.  The prequels are pretty clearly a testament to what kind of product George will produce when he surrounds himself with yes men and the ideas are 100% his.

If it weren't for his contributions over the past 15 years, I never would have doubted that the OT was 99% his vision.  But now I do.  That's irony.