SW Episode III - Reign of the Dark Side (* unfinished project *) — Page 54

From Anakin Vader's point of view the Jedi and Obi-Wan have been revealed to be just as corrupt and dangerous as they taught him the Sith were so I have no problem with him using a blade given to him by his new boss.

It also keeps the blade Luke gets from Ben 'clean'.

By having Vader reject his Jedi weapon and take up the colours of a Sith Lord it leaves Ben free to pass on the baton of Jedi Knighthood to Luke and not that of a wife strangling, infanticidal egomaniac.

Bingowings said:

By having Vader reject his Jedi weapon and take up the colours of a Sith Lord it leaves Ben free to pass on the baton of Jedi Knighthood to Luke and not that of a wife strangling, infanticidal egomaniac.

BINGO!

Bingowings said:

From Anakin Vader's point of view the Jedi and Obi-Wan have been revealed to be just as corrupt and dangerous as they taught him the Sith were so I have no problem with him using a blade given to him by his new boss.

It also keeps the blade Luke gets from Ben 'clean'.

By having Vader reject his Jedi weapon and take up the colours of a Sith Lord it leaves Ben free to pass on the baton of Jedi Knighthood to Luke and not that of a wife strangling, infanticidal egomaniac.

Yeah, but you can also argue that it adds even more so to the reveal that Vader is Luke's father. Luke's been following in the footsteps, and using the same blade as one of the galaxy's most notorious mass murderers. It adds to the mind **** of the whole "I am your father" thing.

And just the idea that Palaptine would feel that Vader ABSOLUTELY NEEDS to use a sith weapon when he already has a lightsaber of his own, is just kind of weird to me.  But I dunno, that's just my opinion. 

Which saber is it that Obi-Wan picks up off the ground after their duel?

I thought so.  So then I gotta side with MrInsaneA, though both sides are valid.

 

MrInsaneA said:

Yeah, but you can also argue that it adds even more so to the reveal that Vader is Luke's father. Luke's been following in the footsteps, and using the same blade as one of the galaxy's most notorious mass murderers. It adds to the mind **** of the whole "I am your father" thing.

And just the idea that Palaptine would feel that Vader ABSOLUTELY NEEDS to use a sith weapon when he already has a lightsaber of his own, is just kind of weird to me.  But I dunno, that's just my opinion. 

Does the release of the blu-ray alter the fan-edits-already-in-progress in any way?

I'd say neither.

I'd have Anakin's sword stolen by Grievous and retrieved from him or better still from Padme's pad or ship (she could have brought it along because of the mystery of him leaving it behind and what that implies).

Bingowings said:

I'd say neither.

I'd have Anakin's sword stolen by Grievous and retrieved from him or better still from Padme's pad or ship (she could have brought it along because of the mystery of him leaving it behind and what that implies).

What you just described, with Padme bringing the lightsaber to Mustafar, is actually a very cool concept, and is pretty much the only way I'd be okay with this idea. But then again, that sounds like it'd be a nightmare to edit.

I'm sure someone on here could knock up a zoom to a Naboo console panel next to Padme when she lands with a saber prop on it and combine that with an altered take of the existing shot of Obi-Wan picking it up so instead of picking it up from the pumice beach he picks it up from the ship after the duel.

In fact he doesn't even have to pick it up Obi-Wan just noticing it would be enough.

Another possibility is when Obi-Wan drops his saber on Utapau he doesn't get it back and uses Anakin's sword to fight Vader.

But that would mean altering the hilt in every shot.

Bingowings said:

I'm sure someone on here could knock up a zoom to a Naboo console panel next to Padme when she lands with a saber prop on it and combine that with an altered take of the existing shot of Obi-Wan picking it up so instead of picking it up from the pumice beach he picks it up from the ship after the duel.

In fact he doesn't even have to pick it up Obi-Wan just noticing it would be enough.

Another possibility is when Obi-Wan drops his saber on Utapau he doesn't get it back and uses Anakin's sword to fight Vader.

But that would mean altering the hilt in every shot.

See, again, the overcomplicated nature of this idea just throws me off. Having to change the hilt, explaining how Obi-Wan gets it, explaining the reasoning behind Palpatine just having a sith lightsaber in his desk....I dunno. I just keep picturing this in my mind:

Palpatine: Now Lord Vader...do what must be done....

*presses button, revealing red lightsaber on desk.*

Palpatine: Do not hesitate....show no mer-...

Anakin: What's that?

Palpatine: What's what? 

Anakin: That. That thing on your desk.

Palpatine: Oh. That's your new lightsaber.

Anakin: But...I already have a lightsaber.

Palpatine: Nonono, Lord Vader. You had a JEDI lightsaber. This one's different.

Anakin: Oh. So...is it better?

Palaptine: Well I mean...it's red.

Anakin: Red.

Palpatine: Yes. Or crimson, if you want to get into specifics. 

Anakin:....

Palpatine: Is there a problem?

Anakin: I mean....It's just....I already have a lightsaber....

Palpatine: But this one's red.

Anakin: I understand that....

Palpatine: Red's cool. It means we're the bad guys.

Anakin: Well I mean, I don't really feel comfortable putting myself into distinct categories of good and evil....I'm a complicated individ-....

Palpatine: Just shut up and take the damn lightsaber.

It was suggested earlier that Grievous takes his Jedi trophies and modifies them to look like Sith sabers, as a form of defilement ( in real world terms it would be like painting Nazi symbols on the graves of their victims).

Grievous takes Obi-Wan and Anakin's sabers at the beginning of the film.

Rather than making the added effort of taking their own weapons back they grab the nearest.

So Anakin ends up with a red bladed saber.

When Kenobi fights Grievous he retrieves Anakin's blue one.

That way Vader has a red blade (taken from Grievous) and Obi-Wan has Anakin's original blue saber (taken from Grievous) and the scene you describe is no longer necessary.

Alternatively Palpatine's saber doesn't go out the window and Anakin in his rush to save Palpatine leaves his saber behind (he spent much of the last film doing this sort of thing).

So he grabs Palpatine's red blade to disarm Windu.

Palpatine could then give him a new blade to go into the Temple.

Bingowings said:

It was suggested earlier that Grievous takes his Jedi trophies and modifies them to look like Sith sabers, as a form of defilement ( in real world terms it would be like painting Nazi symbols on the graves of their victims).

Grievous takes Obi-Wan and Anakin's sabers at the beginning of the film.

Rather than making the added effort of taking their own weapons back they grab the nearest.

So Anakin ends up with a red bladed saber.

When Kenobi fights Grievous he retrieves Anakin's blue one.

That way Vader has a red blade (taken from Grievous) and Obi-Wan has Anakin's original blue saber (taken from Grievous) and the scene you describe is no longer necessary.

Alternatively Palpatine's saber doesn't go out the window and Anakin in his rush to save Palpatine leaves his saber behind (he spent much of the last film doing this sort of thing).

So he grabs Palpatine's red blade to disarm Windu.

Palpatine could then give him a new blade to go into the Temple.

But then presumably you have to change the hilt in Anakin's hand in every scene that he fights Obi-Wan. 
It just seems like such a complicated route to go for such a cosmetic idea.  

It's only cosmetic if you want it to be.

I see it as more symbolic and the hilt would only change in one scene (which already needs hilt changes because Palpatine uses the wrong one in some shots) if you go for the second option.

Bingowings said:

It's only cosmetic if you want it to be.

I see it as more symbolic and the hilt would only change in one scene (which already needs hilt changes because Palpatine uses the wrong one in some shots) if you go for the second option.

So you wouldn't even change the hilt during the final duel with Obi-Wan and Anikan? I'm confused.

Strictly speaking none of Anakin's hilts are the same as the one Ben gives Luke (which changes from between and within the OT anyway).

Vader's OT hilts (and they change too) clearly evolve from Anakin's so you could argue that he just adjusts his first Sith saber over time until it looks like the way it does in ANH.

The general idea is that in terms of narrative Darth Vader has a saber that Anakin Skywalker doesn't use and his son carries the sword of his father (not his father's 'murderer').

The blade colour is the thing that is going to catch the eye of the audience (only the mega nerds notice all the continuity screw ups with the hilts anyway).

If you couple that with Anakin's blade being retrieved from somewhere other than the planet of fire (i'm sure there are other potential ideas other than the ones I've postulated) and you have an alternative explanation for where Luke's sword comes from and which sword is which.

Bingowings said:

Strictly speaking none of Anakin's hilts are the same as the one Ben gives Luke (which changes from between and within the OT anyway).

Vader's OT hilts (and they change too) clearly evolve from Anakin's so you could argue that he just adjusts his first Sith saber over time until it looks like the way it does in ANH.

The general idea is that in terms of narrative Darth Vader has a saber that Anakin Skywalker doesn't use and his son carries the sword of his father (not his father's 'murderer').

The blade colour is the thing that is going to catch the eye of the audience (only the mega nerds notice all the continuity screw ups with the hilts anyway).

If you couple that with Anakin's blade being retrieved from somewhere other than the planet of fire (i'm sure there are other potential ideas other than the ones I've postulated) and you have an alternative explanation for where Luke's sword comes from and which sword is which.

Wait....

We AREN'T mega nerds? :O

We are but possibly viewers might not be.

However anyone trying to do such an edit might be too so they will obviously have to do the fiddly work :-D

This might be blasphemously radical thinking, but I wonder if the colour of someone's lightsaber couldn't be a representation of their 'Force aura' or something like that. So as Anakin starts to slip towards the dark side, his lightsaber starts to get altered along with him until he is fully evil, and it is fully red.

There can be hints of red appearing in his saber when he kills the Tusken Raiders that abducted his mother, and again when he slices off Count Dooku's head. Finally when he enters the Jedi Temple to murder the kids his saber is full-on red.

When Obi-Wan takes back the lightsaber it technically becomes 'his', and therefore changes back to the blue colour.

Kapheen said:

This might be blasphemously radical thinking, but I wonder if the colour of someone's lightsaber couldn't be a representation of their 'Force aura' or something like that. So as Anakin starts to slip towards the dark side, his lightsaber starts to get altered along with him until he is fully evil, and it is fully red.

There can be hints of red appearing in his saber when he kills the Tusken Raiders that abducted his mother, and again when he slices off Count Dooku's head. Finally when he enters the Jedi Temple to murder the kids his saber is full-on red.

When Obi-Wan takes back the lightsaber it technically becomes 'his', and therefore changes back to the blue colour.

 

 

This edit is theoretically in line with the cannon of the OT. And if this were true, Luke's saber would've turned red when he was fighting Vader in ROTJ. Also, I think it's pretty silly to have 'mood ring' lightsabers, but that's just me.

Yeah, the 'mood ring' as you aptly put would be a bit of a stretch, but I was trying to just lob some ideas at the editors for a way to resolve the whole lightsaber issue.

Another potential idea: Can the same hilt with a different crystal produce a different colour? Maybe Anakin didn't swap sabers, he just put in the red crystals.

I'm dying to know how the new Vader will be used! New sequences? Altered existing footage? Any hints?? ....no? Aw, phooey.

I'm also interested to know whether it's been considered to remove the score from portions of the Mustafar duel...having stretches with only the soundscape to carry it could very well be quite effective...not to mention the fact it's kind of an OT tradition!

Yeah, I saw that 3D Vader mannequin. Truly impressive...

BTW, I'm sorry if I come off as overly fanatic (every post I've made so far is just me yelling how awesome everything is), but, you know, I was already excited when I read the cut-list for this. XD And now - after all these cool suggestions and new visual effects ideas... I just cannot wait for this one to come out!