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marioxb said:

We only rent out the actual movie discs, (starting on the 16th, of course), in stupid covers with no backs.

I was pretty sure that BB didn't rent out bonus discs anymore, but everyone was talking about doing it, so I figured they must know something I don't...

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The William Conrad narration is intact. However, a slim bar of discoloration on the lefthand side of the frame indicates that this vintage doc is from a video master and not a film transfer.

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Okay, so some impressions. I'm in Europe and picked up the set when it was released here on Monday, just to get any potential question of how I obtained it out of the way.

I haven't really gotten around to watching the movies yet, and who knows when I might, but I have watched most of the bonus features, and I'm left with only one singular emotion. Disappointment.  There are 2 reasons I'm disappointed. Firstly, the very vast majority of the content is presented in SD. On the archival discs the material is presented in a pretty tiny window with huge painted mattes around it.

 Secondly, and more importantly, perhaps, is that the content that is there is not very interesting. The interviews that are presented are all taken from various behind-the-scenes documentaries that have been on previous dvd-releases. As for the deleted scenes, they are a bit of a mixed bag. I will agree with the people who have announced them as underwhelming. It's been a long time since I watched any of the prequal-dvds, but I don't remember any of the deleted scenes for those movies on there, so I guess that's something. On the other hand, they presented in very poor SD quality, from what looks like workprint VHS with animatics standing in for visual effects. The deleted scenes from the original trilogy are all over the place. Some are faded black & white, some are crisp black & white, some are fuzzy colour shots. None have been cleaned up in any way. They are scratchy and dirty.

The only good thing I possibly could say is that the new documentaries on the last disc are in HD.

Oh, also, the alternate audio commentaries seem to be resembled mostly from what was left over from the main commentary. As in, because they edited several people who gave full commentaries together to one track, there was obviously a lot left over, and that seems to have been put in the new alternate ones. I watched some of ESB and most of the track is Kershner announcing what's going on.

 

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klokwerk said:

The William Conrad narration is intact. However, a slim bar of discoloration on the lefthand side of the frame indicates that this vintage doc is from a video master and not a film transfer.

Thanks for the info!

If anybody else is looking for individual discs, here's another Ebay seller breaking up a set. Has 100% positive feedback too.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/dvd-sold/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562

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I'm kind of annoyed that the US set doesn't have disc art. It was bad enough when the studios started cheaping out on DVD disc art but now even Blu-Rays are lacking. Universal is the worst, I almost considered buying the UK Back to the Future Blu-Ray set until I ended up finding the US set really cheap at Target.

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Orusaka said:

Okay, so some impressions. I'm in Europe and picked up the set when it was released here on Monday, just to get any potential question of how I obtained it out of the way.

I haven't really gotten around to watching the movies yet, and who knows when I might, but I have watched most of the bonus features, and I'm left with only one singular emotion. Disappointment.  There are 2 reasons I'm disappointed. Firstly, the very vast majority of the content is presented in SD. On the archival discs the material is presented in a pretty tiny window with huge painted mattes around it.

 Secondly, and more importantly, perhaps, is that the content that is there is not very interesting. The interviews that are presented are all taken from various behind-the-scenes documentaries that have been on previous dvd-releases. As for the deleted scenes, they are a bit of a mixed bag. I will agree with the people who have announced them as underwhelming. It's been a long time since I watched any of the prequal-dvds, but I don't remember any of the deleted scenes for those movies on there, so I guess that's something. On the other hand, they presented in very poor SD quality, from what looks like workprint VHS with animatics standing in for visual effects. The deleted scenes from the original trilogy are all over the place. Some are faded black & white, some are crisp black & white, some are fuzzy colour shots. None have been cleaned up in any way. They are scratchy and dirty.

The only good thing I possibly could say is that the new documentaries on the last disc are in HD.

Oh, also, the alternate audio commentaries seem to be resembled mostly from what was left over from the main commentary. As in, because they edited several people who gave full commentaries together to one track, there was obviously a lot left over, and that seems to have been put in the new alternate ones. I watched some of ESB and most of the track is Kershner announcing what's going on.

 

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Well, I've seen one of them so far which is TPM. I have to say it is greatly improved over the previous DVD version. The colours are closer to what I remember at the theater and the sound is phenomenal - it sounded like stuff was flying past me in my room! But I can see also the problems with DNR which at times does stand out pretty obvious but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as Predator's Ultimate Edition blu-ray DNR at all.

I haven't seen the others and to be fair I'm not really inclined to. The only one I might check out for the 1080p resolution and HD sound is ROTS since that one was quite good on DVD already.

It's a shame they couldn't do the same colour grading for the OT like they did for TPM. That really does boggle my mind a bit - how Lucas can get the prequels to look spot on colour wise but not the OT - is he beyond caring for the OT now? I really hoped they would fix ROTJ colour problems (I still think it looks the worst of OT in terms of colour) especially the forest scenes having too much blue hue over the greens.

 

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SilverWook said:

klokwerk said:

The William Conrad narration is intact. However, a slim bar of discoloration on the lefthand side of the frame indicates that this vintage doc is from a video master and not a film transfer.

Thanks for the info!

If anybody else is looking for individual discs, here's another Ebay seller breaking up a set. Has 100% positive feedback too.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/dvd-sold/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562

Anyone knows a store to buy just that 97 SE Silver pressed DVD's bootlegs?

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I don't understand why so many of the deleted scenes for the OT are in black and white. Can anyone explain this?

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They are taken from a workprint (rough cut), which was in black and white.

It may be that they lost the negatives for those select scenes, or couldn't be bothered (Isn't it just the extended cantina? Even the b/w Luke-treadmill scene from Behind the Magic is now in colour).

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digitalfreaknyc said:

I don't understand why so many of the deleted scenes for the OT are in black and white. Can anyone explain this?

  From the POV of fanedits, and possible extended editions, could these be colorized, Ted Turner style?

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TheBoost said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

I don't understand why so many of the deleted scenes for the OT are in black and white. Can anyone explain this?

  From the POV of fanedits, and possible extended editions, could these be colorized, Ted Turner style?

Anything in black and white can be colourized, but I'm not even sure that such software is available to consumers. Modern colourization techniques, like what Ray Harryhausen did to his films, are quite impressive but there may be some proprietary software and a lot of by-hand work involved.

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My Little Boy and I just got through TPM & AOTC, we are about to start ROTS, but the one thing I do like is the lightsaber fights, just love the sound, and the bass, even though some of the battles are corny LOL, but just love these weapons.

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I just watched a load of deleted scenes on Youtube (they will probably be removed in the next few days).  Some were interesting, but nothing was really overwhelming.  It is always cool to see deleted scenes from a movie you have seen a zillion times, but I always watch these once and never watch them again.

So another reason why I'm glad I didn't buy this set!  Thanks Youtube!

 

Maybe Katie Lucas tweet should have been:

"The haters will hate and complain, and instead of buying this overpriced set just for the deleted scenes, they watched them for free on Youtube."

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Is anyone having a problem with AOTC? During the part where Anakin finds Shimi, there is a momentary glitch on mine where the picture goes all blocky and pixelated for a second. I've tried it on another player and it seems to be the disc rather than my player.

It's not a huge disruption but it's not something I'd expect from a product I paid $80 for.

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IMO  the deleted stuff is as close as you can get to OOT and it's Anamorphic 16x9.      Even with all the scratches on the film it looks pretty good to me.  to bad the audio is not better.     

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Nien Nunb said:

Is anyone having a problem with AOTC? During the part where Anakin finds Shimi, there is a momentary glitch on mine where the picture goes all blocky and pixelated for a second. I've tried it on another player and it seems to be the disc rather than my player.

It's not a huge disruption but it's not something I'd expect from a product I paid $80 for.

Sounds like a bad pressing. Return/exchange it.

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dark_jedi said:

My Little Boy and I just got through TPM & AOTC, we are about to start ROTS, but the one thing I do like is the lightsaber fights, just love the sound, and the bass, even though some of the battles are corny LOL, but just love these weapons.

Yeah, while the picture has its share of flaws for those two films, the audio is pretty cool. Great range and a lot of punch in those mixes.

I've also watched TPM and AOTC. For all the flaws of those films, I enjoyed them for what they are.

I think TPM looks pretty good, actually. I've only owned it on VHS, so I never got to see the LD presentation or the alledgedly horrendous DVD. The BD is quite a step up from that. I'm just glad they took some measures to ensure a certain level of visual consistency between the prequels, even if that includes DNR. The film just never looked that great in the first place, so I can't see what the fuss is all about.

Also, CG Yoda may be the most welcome change to the saga so far. Let's hope Lucas doesn't read that; the puppet in the OT was a nice piece of work, but his TPM counterpart came off as a senile muppet.

AOTC looks fantastic, but it's hardly any quantum leap given the DVD was crystal clear to begin with. In a sense, it's a little disappointing that there's no real "WOW"-experience to be found here, but the disc delivers. It just goes to show how crisp the picture was in the first place.

Tonight, I'll probably be watching ROTS. Given that this also looked spectacular on DVD, I'm not really expecting any surprises. Other than the fact that I am excited to see this on my 42" screen for - as far as I recall - the first time. And then, of course, it's onwards to the not-so-original trilogy. Even with the latest changes in mind (only Vader's "NOOOOO" bothers me that much), I have a feeling it can only be better than the 2004 DVDs.

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I went through all of the original trilogy extras disc yesterday, and there is definitely some nice little gems on there. In particular, I liked that Colin Cantwell's models were displayed and talked about, albeit far too little (it is seemingly impossible to find out information about Cantwell himself). I always liked Lorne Peterson, and his stories were among my favorites, as were the shots of the matte paintings, w. close-ups. The only problem is that it was too scattered and too light on proper information. Now this from the guy who's specialized in the evolution of idea to screen in Star Wars, so maybe I'm just too eager for more info.

Also, I still don't care what anyone says, there is no way the Falcon redesign was inspired by a burger.

I popped in ANH for a few scenes, and it looked alright, although the color timing was as to be expected.

As for the changes; how anyone could approve the new rockwall R2 is hiding behind boggles the mind. It looks just plain BAD. And Obi-Wans Krayt call... Well, you know.

Another highlight by the way, was the Holiday Special cartoon. It IS actually quite awesome...

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Hi guys,

Is there anyone that has watched the original trilogy Blu-ray discs and who is actually happy with the new alterations after seeing them?

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Orusaka said:

I watched some of ESB and most of the track is Kershner announcing what's going on.

 

That's what I loved about the DVD commentary! Kershner went back and forth from narrating what was onscreen to making no sense at all. (Like when Luke gets his new hand, Kersh talk about how the audience will think 'Ah, he has feeling! he can make love.')  Bless your heart, you crazy old man :)

So, I'm very interested in reactions to the new OT. I'll rent them eventually, but I'd love to hear what people think who've actually seen the new changes.

Like the Lightsaber cores, Vader's 'NOOOOO," the Emperor's supposedly erradicated 'force slug' and so on...

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Pasted from the main Blu-ray topic:

I don't feel like giving LFL the money for these, but to be honest I watched ANH and I'm honestly very happy with what I got. I don't regret it at all. Maybe but it's because I've never seen the HDTV broadcasts before, but the PQ was very sharp to me and the black crush was better than on the DVD. Granted, it looked like they'd just brightened up the picture at times. For example, during the escape from the Death Star one of the TIE Fighter pilot's helmet is completely in shadow, but it's actually a flat grey. Audio quality was outstanding. Overall I was really surprised by how good it looked.

The worst (new) change of the Blu-ray for me actually was the rocks in front of R2, simply because it wasn't consistent at all.

Especially when I put my TV on warm, the colors seemed very accurate to the original film. I hate black crush and blue tint as much as anyone here, but there was no blue tint in what I saw and the black crush was only noticeable in a few scenes. With my TV settings the Death Star actually looked grey-green.

For TESB...I've got my own TV calibrations to completely remove the blue tint on Hoth and shift Vader's saber from magneta towards red.

I'm not sure what anyone's talking about when they saw the matte boxes are gone. They're more obvious than ever.

The deleted scenes are pretty bad. For anyone interested in recompositing it the original opening space matte painting is featured in HD.

The color shift in AOTC also looks pretty good when I have the settings on warm. It looks a lot more like how it did before the DVD, which didn't have the original color timing either.

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The Fett cartoon has been posted to youtube, and it's painfully obvious it's straight off the HS video master. Vader's lines are cut to hide this. :(

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What does that mean?

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It means they couldn't find the original film segment, or didn't want to pay to remaster it. When Vader speaks in the Holiday Special version, it cuts to the video screen Chewie's son is watching the cartoon on right before a commercial break.

EDIT: My "phantom memory" recalled Vader having lines before the commercial break. I checked against a copy of the HS, and it's clearly not the case. Sorry about that!

I still think this looks like it was pulled off of an analog broadcast tape though. The "countdowns" at the beginning and end as seen in the HS aren't there.

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