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Mrebo said:

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Mielr said:

Seriously, do we care what the people at TFN think of us?! LOL! Those people are beyond delusional- they have ZERO credibility so I hardly think they're in a position to judge us.

 That someone dares to like the PT or the SE is delusional? I someone with less discenring tastes about color-seperation really crazy? Does liking the dug in Jabba's palace really cost someone their credibility?

Yes, yes, and yes!

jk. I didn't think Mielr was going that far. I mean a lot of them do seem delusional. Not for what they like but for why they like it (eg "because GL always wanted it this way!"; "It's necessary because like the OT is like so old and stuff!") Mielr can correct me if he's actually saying they're nutty simply because they have bad taste. There are members here who have expressed enjoyment of the PT and SE to at least some extent.

As a user of TF.N and OT.com (and other forums aswell, like LucasForums.com), I believe that calling this place a bashers sanctuary or TF.N a gushers one has the same credibility and fairness. I've been a target of prejudice in both places. In TF.N for expressing my desire of wanting the OOT to be released properly and for disliking some of the SE changes, and here for liking (or defending) the prequels and for being a TF.N user. With that said, I don't fall in the mistake of blaming the whole community for the immaturity and lack of argumentation of a couple of users.

Anyway, dark_jedi has made some good points here.

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The official Star Wars site got a redesign (...tons of shit is Possibly gone...) but they have a section for Fan Sites, this place didn't make it.

http://www.starwars.com/connect/fan-sites/

http://starwarsprequelappreciationsociety.wordpress.com/

http://starwarsprequelappreciationsociety.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/guest-post-jorge-lacayo/

Buckle up...

I am so sick of all the Star Wars hate going around. I had to write this.

So, this is what the big deal is? Darth Vader crying out “no” when he throws the Emperor into the reactor? Some of these fanatics really need to get over it and learn how to be a child again. I don’t think that the new addition is that bad at all. I think it makes the scene better in my opinion and can understand why Lucas added it. This is the moment that Vader regains his humanity, through his son, and I believe that it should be not only expressed with action but with words. The only reason why I believe many vocal fans dislike the new addition is because it reminds them of the scene from “Revenge of the Sith.” That scene gets an unfair rap from people just because it quickly cuts to the next scene, making Vader’s cry feel slightly awkward. It’s funny, because no one says anything about a similar awkward cut that was in “Empire” when Yoda says, “There is another,” it quickly jumps to the next scene. I remember viewing that and being like , “Wait, what did he just say?!” I wish they would have stayed on Vader when he cried out “No” and made him fall to his knees, so that the viewer could take it in. Same with the Yoda scene. My point is this: this has been happening in Star Wars and I STILL LOVE IT! People need to relax and instead of rejecting the new additions try and see why Lucas, the artist, included it. I like the new dialogue as stated above.

I won’t even go into the blinking Ewok eyes or the new Obi-Wan cry because those changes are so minor to me. I could care less but some of you people who are upset about that are borderline cynical and neurotic.

And the whole film connoisseur attitude that some have is too much. The Criterion Collection has numerous classical films with multiple versions, such as Orson Welles’s “Mr. Arkadin,” with some versions better than the other as far as image quality, and you don’t hear Orson Welles fans complaining. They appreciate the multiple versions. You film connoisseurs talk about art but who are you?! You are not an artist, you’re a spectator. Lucas is the artist and no matter how much you complain, you still love him. Lucas is the least mean-spirited guy in all of filmmaking, unlike someone like James Cameron, yet some hate him with a passion. It’s sad because when he passes away they’ll all be crying and thanking him.

I also don’t understand all of the complaining regarding image quality, even for the DVD sets!! I recently just watched the OT on my HDTV and PS3 and I thought it looked great and this is just DVD! I read a lot of complaints about the quality and it just makes me shake my head. Some people don’t appreciate anything.

Then there’s the never ending complaining of not having the original theatrical versions in high quality DVD or included on this Blu Ray. Look, Lucas released the theatrical versions on DVD already!! Okay they were released in 4:3 Letterbox but guess what? There’s such thing as “Zoom” on your TV, you know! I like the SE versions of “Empire” and “Jedi” but not “Hope” because I like the notion of Han shooting first and the Jabba scene is unnecessary, so guess what? I bought the limited edition DVD with the theatrical version as a bonus! All I do is zoom in and boom! Everything is fine. Sure the image is grainy when there are white backgrounds but i think it gives it an edge. There are people expect Lucas to go out of his way and restore the originals but he never promised that! You should be happy he did what he did because if he didn’t all you would have is VHS and that would really suck. It’s crazy fans that are being selfish, not Lucas.

So when I get the Blu-Ray versions I’m just going to switch out the SE version of “Hope” and replace it with the limited edition theatrical version. I’m a happy camper! I also like to add that I think it’s awesome that Lucas fixed the puppet Yoda in “Phantom.” Thanks Lucas!

And while I’m at it I might as well defend the hated prequels. Look, the whole point of “Phantom” was to show that no one is born evil. Some people want to view Vader as pure evil but that’s not how life is. Even Hitler was a baby! Even he was innocent at some point but most people don’t want to admit that. They just want to view him as pure evil. Lucas is deep and some don’t want to see it. I’d also like to add that I hate people like the infamous Red Letter Media, who get famous off of slandering and scrutinizing Lucas’ creation. If it wasn’t for Lucas that degenerate wouldn’t even be known, so as much as he dislikes Lucas, he owes his fame all to him! This guy says “Phantom” had no main character but that is incorrect. the main character is Qui-Gon, then Anakin! Who the heck do you think is on the screen most of the time? Red Letter Media is despicable.

Then there are the Midi-chlorians. I think most of the people that hate this idea feel excluded from the Force but in actuality the Midi-chlorians are based on the Endosymbiotic theory. Lucas was just using this as a plot device to say, “Anakin is a very very very strong dude.” It doesn’t mean that the Force isn’t everywhere or that you are excluded from it. He needed a way to convey to the audience the strength of Anakin and how can you do that through spirituality alone when you have dozens of Jedi moving things around with their minds and such? You need science!

Then there’s the complaining of the dialogue in “Clones,” which is a movie I love with all my heart. Some swear the romance between Neo and Trinity or Aragon and Arwen is so Shakespearean! Also the constant hatred for Hayden’s depiction of Anakin is totally misunderstood. Many people claim that he whines too much and that it makes Anakin look like a brat. Let me ask you folks a question: how were you when you were a teenager?! All teenagers are whiny and self-centered! I don’t care what you say, that is the truth. Remember the scene when Luke first meets Yoda and he is impatient and whining about “We’re wasting our time!” No one complains about that but that is a straight up parallel to his father Anakin. “The boy is impatient” Yoda says, yet many “fans” hate Hayden and not that scene with Luke. Also, Lucas was going for a whole James Dean vibe for Hayden, which I think he nailed impeccably. Go watch “Rebel Without A Cause.” There are a lot of resemblances to Hayden’s performance yet everyone adores James Dean’s performance in that film and no one calls him out for being whiny.

I also think people fail to see the importance of Anakin’s visions of his mother and wife being killed. This is paralleled in “Empire” when Luke sees Han and Leia being killed in his visions. Yoda tells him not to go in fear that he will go down the same path as Anakin. This is great story telling and i believe many can’t see past their hatred because they’ve lost touch with their inner child and can’t stop judging and let their emotional poisons blind them. Somewhere down the line you got the notion in your mind that Star Wars was the next Holy Bible, but it was always meant to be fun. All of the complaining about the dialogue in the prequels is unfair. “You scruffy looking nerf herder” and “I was going to Toshi Station to pick up some power converters” are lines from the OT that could easily be interpreted as corny dialogue yet no one complains. Face it, many of them have become bitter adults. Put there is always hope.

Then there’s the complaining about Padmé dying of a broken heart. Don’t you guys remember that this is the fantasy genre? I thought “Revenge of the Sith” was just as great as any film from the OT and I can’t believe people still find something wrong with it. I loved that film to death.

Certain dialogue is really overlooked by many with the “western” mentality. Lucas derives a lot of themes from eastern philosophy and Joseph Cambell’s mythology books. The scene where Anakin tells Padmé she’s beautiful and she says, “Only because i’m so in love” to which he says “No, it’s because i’m so in love with you” is another scene that is torn apart by the degenerate Red Letter Media. What Lucas is trying to say here is that it is the act of loving that brings happiness, not being loved!!!! Which Anakin clearly misunderstands. This went right their heads. Go read Don Miguel Ruiz’ “The Mastery of Love” or the “Tao Te Ching” and maybe you will understand.

Also a scene in “Clones” that is hated is the one where Anakin confuses compassion for love. This is something that I found was very touching and I can understand how a Jedi, someone sworn to a certain lifestyle like a monk, can misunderstand compassion as “encouragement to love.” The story is deep and I once again ask upset viewers to stop being so hateful and open your minds. Stop being judges. That’s why so many children love Star Wars because they don’t judge! That’s why you say Lucas “raped” your childhood because when you were a child you didn’t judge, now that you’re an adult, all you do is judge. I think some of you people want Star Wars to be Lord of the Rings. I like LOTR but at times it’s too serious. SW is always fun. ALWAYS. That is the difference.

And lastly who isn’t excited about deleted scenes from the OT?!!! You know you want to see them!

I just want to say to people stop being so judgmental and open your mind and heart like you did as a child. I love Star Wars and I’m not some happy-go-lucky no-brainer. I have problems controlling my anger and Star Wars is one of the few things that makes me happy when I’m down. I can really relate to Anakin’s story because I want to be wise but I deal with my dark side. I can also relate to Luke because I have had problems with my father. Lighten up and be happy with what you’ve got! I know I am. I’m buying the Blu-Ray ASAP!

And WE have the bad reputation.

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People have opinions.

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none said:

People have opinions.

Hey, that's Ric's line!

;-)

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AuggieBenDoggie said:


I don't understand a site or other sites that openly criticize use here at originaltrilogy.com for scrutinizing the current state of the starwars franchise. The Original trilogy is the foundation of this website, and that detail alone is the backbone of the whole community here. Don't see why those other websites cant see that. I would haft to say that if your interests in the starwars franchise go beyond the original trilogy, then maybe this site is not for you. It would be better for you to stay with a community that treats all the movies equally.


i disagree

i enjoy TPM and the holiday as much as the OUT and any other forum would ridicule me for liking TPM or the OUT, we are more tolerant here for not following the "original vision" even new mod Achorhead would not fit in anywhere else because of his views of ESB onwards

 

Toho is right.  I'd have been run out of other forums years ago. We're very welcoming to anyone who comes in peace, regardless of their area of interest in the Star Wars universe.  No doubt we're much more focused on getting the originals released properly because that's the one thing Lucas refuses to do.  However, we have many members who like, own, and watch the prequels.

 

Regarding this specifically;

Auggie - ...if your interests in the starwars franchise go beyond the original trilogy, then maybe this site is not for you. It would be better for you to stay with a community that treats all the movies equally.

I feel just the opposite.  The disagreements between us and other sites comes from us wanting all the films to be treated equally - which is most certainly not happening at LFL.  It's the other sites' wanting the OOT to be suppressed while more CGI is added every few years, that causes the arguments.

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A Wordpress blog made the cut and we didn't? Man, that's a major kick in the balls. Especially the "prequel society"...

I mean, I wouldn't expect us to what with all the anti-Lucas talk but for them to specifically choose a website that's the OPPOSITE of us - and a blog at that - ugh.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Alexrd said:

Mrebo said:

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Mielr said:

Seriously, do we care what the people at TFN think of us?! LOL! Those people are beyond delusional- they have ZERO credibility so I hardly think they're in a position to judge us.

 That someone dares to like the PT or the SE is delusional? I someone with less discenring tastes about color-seperation really crazy? Does liking the dug in Jabba's palace really cost someone their credibility?

Yes, yes, and yes!

jk. I didn't think Mielr was going that far. I mean a lot of them do seem delusional. Not for what they like but for why they like it (eg "because GL always wanted it this way!"; "It's necessary because like the OT is like so old and stuff!") Mielr can correct me if he's actually saying they're nutty simply because they have bad taste. There are members here who have expressed enjoyment of the PT and SE to at least some extent.

As a user of TF.N and OT.com (and other forums aswell, like LucasForums.com), I believe that calling this place a bashers sanctuary or TF.N a gushers one has the same credibility and fairness. I've been a target of prejudice in both places. In TF.N for expressing my desire of wanting the OOT to be released properly and for disliking some of the SE changes, and here for liking (or defending) the prequels and for being a TF.N user. With that said, I don't fall in the mistake of blaming the whole community for the immaturity and lack of argumentation of a couple of users.

Anyway, dark_jedi has made some good points here.

I liked the extra Wampa scene in the SE. I enjoyed Adywan's alterations. I think many of us enjoy different versions (we have a whole section devoted to fan edits!). I'm also an unabashed ROTJ and Ewok lover though there are plenty around here who criticize ROTJ and Ewoks.

I've honestly just been discouraged by the PT and SE even if I liked certain elements. At least up to '99 I knew a fair amount about the EU, read lots of books, prided myself on knowing obscure facts, collected the toys into the 2000s (and knew the approximate values of everything in my collection by heart; of course I'd never get rid of my collection). And I know for a fact I didn't grow up. And GL saying that the original Star Wars are obsolete only drives the stake deeper.

So where is a discouraged fan to go who still appreciates everything Star Wars originally stood for? Where they all say everything is fine? Where I'm lulled into believing that the PT made sense? Where I'm told the original tone and story is simply outdated? Those don't seem like places for someone who loves Star Wars to go.

But this place seems fairly level-headed. Look at how many are criticizing the more hyperbolic statements that are sometimes made. I wish I could love anything and everything that has the Star Wars label attached to it. I once did.

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I am rather new here. I'd been a Lucas apologist for years, putting up with the changes in the OT and yes, enjoying some of the PT (I still do like ROTS for the most part). However, the latest changes to the OT broke me. "Noooo!", The Krayt Fart-Moan, Artoo Rocks...I'd had enough. Stop fucking with it, already. I started reading posts on here and the material on savingstarwars.com, and I realized how wrong suppressing the OOT really is on a pure artistic level. People keep refering to Lucas as the artist. Well, there were hundreds of artists involved in the OOT who are now having their cinematic contributions systematically erased. That led me to start posting a bit here and downloading Harmy's editions, which I love, and will have to suffice until the OOT finally is released.

As for the perception of this forum, I have to say that this is fairly tame and civil compared to the "discourse" I've seen elsewhere. You wanna see vile fanboy rage? Take a look at any talkback on aintitcool.com regarding George Lucas and/or Star Wars. While at times amusing, some of the nerd rage goes beyond scum & villainy. No other movie or director spawns this much debate.

There are a few morons lurking here, but I think most people just share the want for Lucas to ultimately do the right thing.

 

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What I find amusing is that OT purists get a bad rap for being rapid, whiny, spiteful fanboys (of which there are some), but the people who constantly beg for scraps from Lucas' table are somehow "better fans." Better yet, they're better consumers because they buy, buy, buy anything with the SW brand on it. From all view points they are more important to SW's viability than OT purists/holdouts.

Everyone on all sides of the debate loves SW for various reasons and to various, valid extents, but let's cut the "true fan" bullshit. In fact, I'll go so far as to say people who are broader fans of film in general seem to prefer the UOT. No, I don't have statistics or proof - just an observation for various discussions with people and on the web throughout the years.

“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”

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georgec said:

I'll go so far as to say people who are broader fans of film in general seem to prefer the UOT. No, I don't have statistics or proof - just an observation for various discussions with people and on the web throughout the years.

I would agree with that statement, and it seems like a growing sentiment.

 

 

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I feel just the opposite.  The disagreements between us and other sites comes from us wanting all the films to be treated equally.

The community here wants a proper release of the GOUT, not what Lucas has been giving us since 97, and the Original trilogy stands apart from the Prequel Trilogy and the altered Original Trilogy. I  have never seen this site openly express a want for both trilogies to be treated equally. Thats like comparing apples to oranges, it's not possible to treat them the same. There is way to much in the prequels that contradict the original trilogy.

The ones that are blindly obsessed with anything Lucas puts out are more willing to treat all 6 films equally.

Venerable member of the “Red Eye” Knights

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That means equally treated at a technical level to the way the prequels already are. (they get a quality home video).

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What makes you think the prequels have been treated fairly "technically"?

TPM suffers from severe DNR and is patchy in a few areas, and AOTC has now a teal cast to it, and SITH is the only one that looks like the theatrical release. 

Venerable member of the “Red Eye” Knights

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georgec said:


What I find amusing is that OT purists get a bad rap for being rapid, whiny, spiteful fanboys (of which there are some), but the people who constantly beg for scraps from Lucas' table are somehow "better fans."


It's even more amusing when you realize they themselves are "rapid, whiny, spiteful fanboys". They just spew their vitroil at "haters" instead of Lucas.

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Thanks Baron, that's exactly what I meant. The ability to own a high quality version of the films we sat in the theater and watched. The desire for all six films to be offered unaltered has been expressed many times here, regardless of how many of the six people may want to own.

And yes, the two trilogies look worlds apart visually. That seems to be a colossal issue for Lucas. Much less so for the fan base. However, because Lucas has time and again shown that his needs are more important than the fans' - we continue to get nothing.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

 

georgec said:


What I find amusing is that OT purists get a bad rap for being rapid, whiny, spiteful fanboys (of which there are some), but the people who constantly beg for scraps from Lucas' table are somehow "better fans."


It's even more amusing when you realize they themselves are "rapid, whiny, spiteful fanboys". They just spew their vitroil at "haters" instead of Lucas.

 

For me it is more of an artistic struggle, the UOT should be shown to public and and be made readily available. Destroying it would be a real shame that should not happen, period.

The fact that the versions Lucas prefers are in bad quality themselves is also a shame; it gives off the impression that GL is a cutthroat businessman who puts minimal effort for maximum profit. It's the worst of corporate greed when he puts little thought into the quality of even the PTSE or how it is packaged. And then forcing people to buy this new version by making all others unavailable, plus forcing mainstream BD reviewers to give it positive reviews? That's where I draw the line.

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All though they're the minority I wonder out of all those quotes calling ot.com full of nutjobs, how many have benefited directly from this site by people like DJ, Harmy, Adywan et al sharing their work?

I've been registered here since 2006 and lurked before that and while I don't remember how I heard about this place I do distinctly remember hearing originaltrilogy.com being full of hardcore fanboys - in a very negative context. But I actually took the time and looked around for myself and found that not to be the case.

If you can ignore some of the vitriol from the occasional troll and a resident nut job or two it's actually a really really informative place with loads of helpful and technically proficient people.

It turns out when you yourself are a hardcore fanboy and there are people in direct opposition with you, you paint them with your own brush.

"Well here's a big bag of rock salt" - Patton Oswalt

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TV's Frink said:


Not helping.
Anchorhead wields his Hammer of Justice!

 

He's taken his first step into a larger world.

And not a moment too soon.

"Well here's a big bag of rock salt" - Patton Oswalt

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I think OT.com is known more as a place that specializes in fan-edits/preservations than a GL hater forum.

My only complaint about this place is the excessive hate from a certain few and the amount of censorship. I know the flaming might get out of hand, but there would be less socks if people could say what they think. That's just my opinion and I'm pretty much against censorship in general.

If you want a Myspleen invite, just PM me and ask.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Once-upon-a-time-on-MySpleen/topic/12652/

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Anchorhead said:

The ability to own a high quality version of the films we sat in the theater and watched. The desire for all six films to be offered unaltered has been expressed many times here, regardless of how many of the six people may want to own.

 

I have never see the desire ( by the community here as a whole ) openly expressed a want for all six films to be released unaltered, above the quality that is offered in the blu-rays. I have only seen the want for a quality release of the unaltered trilogy here. Preferably from a 4k scan, something thats not possible with AOTC and SITH since they where filmed at 1080p, and thats probably why the altered Original Trilogy was mastered at 1080p also. Even the New altered TPM was mastered at 1080p when the print should have been scanned at 4k instead of 2k. Lucas knows that anything he puts out, people will go crazy for.

Venerable member of the “Red Eye” Knights

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I think OT.com is known more as a place that specializes in fan-edits/preservations than a GL hater forum.

My only complaint about this place is the excessive hate from a certain few and the amount of censorship. I know the flaming might get out of hand, but there would be less socks if people could say what they think. That's just my opinion and I'm pretty much against censorship in general.

Amount of censorship? Have you seen the latest announcements in the "Off Topic" forum? o_O

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walkingdork said:

I think OT.com is known more as a place that specializes in fan-edits/preservations than a GL hater forum.

My only complaint about this place is the excessive hate from a certain few and the amount of censorship. I know the flaming might get out of hand, but there would be less socks if people could say what they think. That's just my opinion and I'm pretty much against censorship in general.

Amount of censorship? Have you seen the latest announcements in the "Off Topic" forum? o_O

Yep and a guy got banned for what he said in the Off Topic forum the first day it became unmoderated. Granted he was an obvious sock but still that sock could have been ignored by his peers.

I really think I should be clear before this turns into an argument, I like and support all the moderators and would never tell them how to run their forums. This is their forum and they can and should run it however they want. I am in no way asking for change.

If you want a Myspleen invite, just PM me and ask.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Once-upon-a-time-on-MySpleen/topic/12652/

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If anything, this place is as friendly as they get, and much of it is not only because of the members themselves but because of the light hand the mods have around.

 

But I agree that even though the fan edits are not the main purpose of ot.com, it's probably the reason it's gained worldwide notoriety. That can be both beneficial and prejudicial, for example the fact that ot.com is not listed in the official site I think it has more to do with the fact that preservation and edits are done right here.

Lucasfilm is not against Fan Edits, that we are certain of, but they also don't want to advertise them to all the people that go to their site logically.

Parodies and the like, fine, but fan edits travel a very thin line and I personally think it's best "we" don't appear there. The bad thing from that is that this site's main premise gets kind of lost in between and the petition doesn't get the recognition it deserves. Some you win, some you don't, but it isn't a surprise, at least for me that OT.com is not listed.

 

I came across this site and Ady's ANH:R in particular thanks to a post in the official forums years ago. Never heard of this place before and had no idea people were doing these things. I thought it was amazing and that more people should know about it. Sadly, said post was already hidden from civilian view when I saw it, (Being a mod there back then, I could see all that)

I didn't agree with the thread being locked and hidden, so I brought it up to "The Council" and the concensus from the people in charge of the site was basically what I already said:

"We know of its existance, we know what they're doing and it's fine but due to legal reasons it's best if that sort of activities are not discussed in the official forums"

And that was it. Understandably I thought so I left it at that.

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How "we" are percieved outside is quite relative, people here, and there or over there tend to deal in absolutes. Haters, gushers, PT, OT, SE, UOT, GOUT....blah blah blah.

 

There are good members and bad seeds in every forum, but yes, lately there's been quite a few posting rather stupid stuff and "rival" sites OF COURSE are going to take that to label us all. Just as we do about people from TFN, bluray and the OS (when the forums still existed). It's the nature of the beast, childish rivalries and the like.

 

Wanting GL to die so he can stop changing things is definitely going too far. As are the Nazi (I was called that A LOT in the OS lol), rape, etc comments. That is just unacceptable.