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Bingowings said:

I hope some warnings have been given out with some of the recent outbursts on this thread.

Raping a memory, an environment or a cultural artifact is a valid statement (it may be incendiary but the word has uses beyond more common sexual and legal usage).

But salacious innuendo implying that Mr Lucas has abused his children is not only sick but from all accounts a total inversion of the truth.

This site and these forums were designed to right a wrong not wrong a father and a family.

+1.

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-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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bigmonkey2382 said:

Ziggy Stardust said:

I don't really agree agree with his decisions, but I don't want him to die....

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What did he say? I missed it.

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The usual carp about rape, with some explicitness thrown in.

I believe he also re-edited his post back to the original after Anchorhead had edited it out...but I'm not 100% sure of that.

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I don't think there's a single reason. The changes are different in its intentions.

For some, like putting Hayden as Anakin in ROTJ, it's obviously to connect the two trilogies. In an ideal world, he would have made the prequels more like the OT, but he didn't, and know to try to connect them he puts prequel shit in the OT. If you watch ROTS and Star Wars back to back you can see they really don't work at all, Lucas probably notices this and adds more and more crap. Also he probably thinks the prequels were good movies and sees nothing wrong with adding more stuff from them.

The NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! in Jedi was probably Lucas feeling pretentious (like when he goes on and on about themes and myths instead of telling the truth that he started with the intention of basically making a comic book movie) and he came up with more "poetry" and "rhymes" and "mirrors. Whatever.

And seriously I wouldn't be surprised if some stuff like the rocks covering R2 is some jerk who works at Lucasfilm who says "You know George, it's very stupid that the Sandpeople don't notice R2, we should cover him with rocks! I can make it in an hour". And Lucas, who judging by the awful color timing he approved, doesn't care anymore and just goes "OK". It doesn't matter to him anymore that R2 couldn't get in and out of those rocks, just like when he was presented the design for the Jedi fighter and R2 could fit in there with a little bit of cheating. He doesn't care and has surrounded himself with a lot of idiots.

Who knows, maybe Lucas actually restrains some of the "computer people" at Lucasfilm, perhaps someone has already suggested to replace Yoda with CGI, only to be hold off by Lucas.

 

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Diego said:

just like when he was presented the design for the Jedi fighter and R2 could fit in there with a little bit of cheating. He doesn't care and has surrounded himself with a lot of idiots.

Who knows, maybe Lucas actually restrains some of the "computer people" at Lucasfilm, perhaps someone has already suggested to replace Yoda with CGI, only to be hold off by Lucas.

And let's not forget the cartoonish, unrealistic monstrosity of the Naboo fighter, that forces Artoo to have a stretchy neck just to cram himself into (although there's still no room for his headless body).

I seriously doubt that Lucas has to restrain anybody - the only sad thing is that like you said, there's no one who wants to restrain him!

As for the Sand People not noticing Artoo, I always figured it was because the Sand People don't give two shits about droids. They don't like using advanced technology, and in the OT droids are mostly seen as nothing more than tools that can talk. Artoo was probably "hiding" more as a reflex, not realizing that the Sand People wouldn't bother with him any more than they would bother a wrench. Droids always seemed to not realize that organics don't really regard them as very important - Luke gives a half-assed "hello" to R2 when C-3PO introduces them, Lando blows off C-3PO in ESB (although he WAS focused on Leia).

The rocks are pointless and unnecessary, is what I'm getting at.

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TV's Frink said:

Incidentally, what's the worst thing that ever happened to you?  And you can't answer anything having to do with Star Wars because your judgment is clearly warped in that case.  Who is the closest person to you to have died?  What is the worst thing that has happened to someone close to you?

My wife and I had a tragedy once.  And if you think what has happened to Star Wars is even one-tenth of one percent as horrible as what happened to us, well...you are a sad, sad person.

Alright, I understand; the loss of a person does not compare to the loss of a movie. I'll try to tone down my comments and try to refrain from any more nazi comparisons.

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TV's Frink said:


The usual carp about rape, with some explicitness thrown in.

I believe he also re-edited his post back to the original after Anchorhead had edited it out...but I'm not 100% sure of that.


That must explain the banhammering.

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Why does Luca$ do it?  Easy.  Total control + licensure+ merchandise+ copyrights+ global fandom =$$$$$$$$$$$

Luca$ has made so much money off us that he doesnt NEED to care about our relatively small band of OOT supporters.  SW stuff sells.  Look at the toys.  How many versions of Luke, vader, maul, kenobi or clonetroopers are there?  Yet year after year Hasbro(which Luca$ owns BIG stock btw) resculpts, repackages and resells the same characters over and over again.  Like the movies, the action figures are tinkered with and rereleased.  And people buy them along with clothes, greeting cards, video games etc, which fills the lucasfilm sales spreadsheets with big numbers, thus creating a big arrogant smile from that gray haired fat flannelled one.

Not buying Luca$ stuff= hurts his business and puts us in control.

"There's no cluster of midiclorians that controls my destiny!" -Han Solo, from a future revision of ANH

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I don't know why does so many people think the SEs are the only way to make money. I bet that if he would have released only the originals on DVD and BD he actually would have made MORE money.

And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as the Son of the Suns.

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Why does he do it?

All these changes and all this tinkering do one undeniable thing----they keep Star wars in the news and relevent-----for good or for worse---probably for the worse artistically---but possibly for the best commercially.

A case in point--- you can see  Star wars outdoing(at least at the moment) Pirates Of The Carrabean 4 and Thor on the Blu Ray top sellers chart(on blu ray.com)----not bad for a 30 year old saga----especially as the saga is coming up against contemporary blockbusters like Pirates 4 and Thor---- will be interesting to see if Star Wars can compete  with Transformers 3 when that is released in a couple of weeks.

Although a film like Citizen Kane---which was also released on Blu ray this week---- retains it's artistic integrity----but does not appear anywhere on the top sellers list!

I think there is a moral in there somewhere!

on edit: Just realized that Pirates 4 won't be released in the US for another month---it came out here in the UK this week.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.

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Eh, Lucas may think that, but it feels like that whole Snakes on a Plane thing where internet bullshit doesn't translate into money. I can't imagine many people bought this set who would not have otherwise.

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Snakes on a Plane made it's money back though. ;)

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Where were you in '77?

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LexX said:

I don't know why does so many people think the SEs are the only way to make money. I bet that if he would have released only the originals on DVD and BD he actually would have made MORE money.

Heeeey...I just thought of something...

If we were able to convince Lucas that he could make metric shit-tons of money on the OUT, maybe THAT would motivate him to release them!!

Oh, and I'm going to put aside my pride for a second and ask a total noob question: what does "GOUT" stand for? I'm guessing the "OUT" is "Original Unaltered Trilogy" of course, but what's the "G" for?

Young Anakin and Obi-Wan 

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"George's"

Since the version he released in 2006 (the non-anamorphic LD rips) is not the "real" OUT, it became the GOUT.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)

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Thank you for clearing that up!

Young Anakin and Obi-Wan 

Sebastian Shaw as Anakin Skywalker, Alec Guinness as Obi-Wan Kenobi

If you want the OT deleted scenes, PM me and I'll send them to you! DON'T BUY THE BLU-RAY DISCS!!!

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I certainly wouldn't wish any ill on GL or any member of his family. Of course it's frustrating and baffling to see him steer the OT in the cartoonish direction of the prequels but to equate the ruination of these films to personal tragedies such as cancer, rape etc. is unnecessarily hyperbolic and unconstructive. I used to frequent a popular UK film magazine forum in the past but the whole 'GL raped my childhood' shit just distanced me from these idiots and as a result (not the only reason but it didn't help) I stopped posting on there. If you don't like the prequels, guess what? You don't have to watch them. I own the bloody things and I can't foresee myself watching them any time soon.

It's sad to see Lucas incrementally destroy the OT as the years tick by. It's even sadder that I have subsequently viewed almost everything GL has said regarding the 'non-existence' of unaltered prints as utter lies, but that's the way I feel.

We can talk and talk until we're blue in the face about our theories about why Lucas feels the need to constantly piss about with the OT, but I honestly doubt we'll ever see the unaltered films in any HD format. As countless posters have said before me, is it so much to ask?

Having not seen any of the fan preservations yet (my pathetic PC set-up prevents me from downloading anything worthwhile) it would seem these efforts will be the closest anyone can hope for in replicating our beloved memories of first seeing these movies.

Anyway, I'm not expecting a massive cave-in from Lucas anytime soon. While I admire the steadfast refusal of so many to line his pockets yet again by not purchasing the BD set, there are a great many Star Wars 'fans' who, perplexingly, seem to resent the general opinion on here and will immediately rush out and buy the damn thing just so they have 'Star Wars on Blu Ray', regardless of the many oversights and crass additions and revisions the films have suffered at the incompetent hands of both Lucas and his army of jobsworths at Lucasfilm.

It truly is a dark time for the rebellion...

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It's always darkest before the dawn (though statistically speaking most people die in their beds).

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Here are my humble theories on why he does what he does.

a) Ruining the character of Darth Vader to further piss off David Prowse (and replacing every Prowse/Vader photograph with Christensen/Vader material, so Prowse gets as few royalties out of that stuff as possible).

b) He seriously believes the world is gonna end in 2012 and wants to help us to be glad it's finally over... D;

c) He is actually not George Lucas, but his evil twin.

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Cuchulainn said:

It truly is a dark time for the rebellion...

I think that for fans of the OUT, things are better now than they ever were. Fan restorations make it available in the best quality ever for home entertainment. And whether or not it results in anything official, there is finally some recognition and outcry from the general public.

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I think Puggo's right. Bill Hunt from the Digital Bits expressed this point from yet another perspective in his review of the Blu-Rays:

Bill Hunt said:

 A number of fans have complained about the fact that the original theatrical versions of the classic films are not included in this Blu-ray set. While it's true and is certainly a legitimate complaint, no fan in their right mind could seriously have expected them to be included, given Lucas' attitude in the past. Still, I have a sneaking suspicion that Lucas is going to have to release the original versions of the films at some point in the future. The reason I've started to believe that is because of the deleted scenes that WERE included on these Blu-rays. This is material that Lucas has been reluctant to make available in the past, but they were needed for this Blu-ray set simply to give fans a compelling reason to buy the films again. After this Blu-ray release, I just don't see ANYONE buying these films again for any reason (certainly not for 3D!) unless those original versions are part of the package. Regardless, even if there's never an authorized release, rest assured that so many prints of those original films exist in the hands of film archives (and even private collectors) around the world that, sooner or later, someone is going to throw them up on an HD scanner, make high-quality HD masters and release them as bootlegs - either for free online, or on BD-R or other digital media sold at conventions. How do I know that? Well, I've actually had bootleg HD copies of the "special edition" Star Wars films for a couple years now, mastered from European HD satellite broadcasts, made available online and burned to BD-R media. Trust me, the original versions WILL be available eventually in HD, legally or not. Frankly, the sooner Lucas realizes this and takes proactive steps to release them himself the better.