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Humdinger Analysis Thread : Glitch, Cryptography or Steganography? — Page 3

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TV's Frink wrote:

The Humdinger has gone big time (via The Digital Bits):

I'm told that little visual issues like these throughout the films have been addressed - a fairly extensive list. [Editor's Note: The so-called "Humdinger" glitch in Episode IV was also apparently fixed.]

It's phun watching this travel around.  Plain as day, yet obscured, to bright lights big city... to demise all in little over a month.  Wish I had a google alert on earlier. 

Would like to put out a call to whomever was at Comic Con and might have spoken about this item while there.  Would like to hear your story.  Did they just talk about it loudly or did they track someone down and show them directly?

If LFL were doing an exhaustive search through these movies, i'm kind of the opinion they spotted this before.  But you never know.

The Aluminum Falcon wrote: Was the Humdinger ever spotted earlier by another site?

After canofhumdingers brought it to everyone attention, I did some searches for people talking about it.  Focused mostly on threads from 2004-2005 which brought up errors in the set and didn't see any mention of anything sounding similar.  Most of the problems people were having were with their dvd players crapping out at certain scenes but the problem scenes were in different chapters.

Kind of amazing that LFL would recognize this weird fan activity.  And it turns out that they don't read these forums to frequently, which is probably a good thing, for their sanity.  but if they are reading, can the canofhumdingers get a free set?!

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Harmy said:


Oh and all this made me forget the important question - none, are you sure it's not in the WookieGroomer release? How would that be possible. Is he still around? Maybe he fixed it or something. It couldn't have just disappeared, could it? 
Interestingly enough, the frame with the glitch in it is not in WG's Splitscreen at all.

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msycamore said:

Harmy said:

Not true, when you look at these 70mm cell scans, there's actually more picture information on the sides than there is in the 2004 SE, which is the least cropped transfer to date.

It seems to me that those could be 35mm, the reason behind my thinking is that this shot wasn't in the 70mm version:

Baronlando said:

It could have been in the 1981 or 82 releases though, right?

Yeah, I have always wondered if the early cut of Empire was on all 70mm prints, even when screened as late as 1985, but to make new 70mm prints for the re-releases just to have the film updated with the late changes seen in the 35mm- version were probably to costly and it would also have been necessary to create a new six-track mix, so I very much doubt it.

I also find this interesting, "The Empire Strikes Back" opened with a modest number of initial wave engagements, reportedly 127, it appears that with the exception of a few drive-in bookings, all of the first-wave engagements were in the deluxe 70mm format. Additional 70mm engagements were added during the "expansion wave" releases throughout the summer of 1980.

from: http://www.in70mm.com/news/2003/empire/index.htm

Does that mean that a few 35mm prints were produced of the early cut, or was it perhaps 16mm prints on those drive-ins?

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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16mm at drive-ins? No way. They would have been 35mm, just like any other regular cinema.

I have no idea if those 35mm prints were of the early cut, or if all 35mm prints were of the more familiar version. Didn't 70mm prints have a longer lead time due to the extra work? (The first Star Wars would have been an exception; I've heard Ben Burtt talk about how the Dolby Stereo mix had to be rushed out so that it could be tested for the wide rollout of the system, so I'm guessing that the 35mm prints were made first in that case.)

I'm not sure how we'd be able to conclusively figure it out. On TrekBBS, I once asked a similar question, if any early 35mm prints of Star Trek II just said "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan" like the 70mm prints did; I never got an answer on that.

As for that frame, I think it's 70mm. My guess would be that the later prints made in summer '80 were of the revised version. There's no reason why this second wave couldn't have been derived from the "fixed" version.