Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 253

That's probably an alternate take

Sluggo said:

Bobby Jay said:

Why do people keep on saying the scene with the added "Nooooo" now mirrors the scene in ROTS? The scene without the audio tweaks mirrored a scene in ROTS already and was a lot better than Vader's "birth" scene.

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Sadly, I doubt Lucas intended these scenes to mirror each other. People who think the added "NOOOOO" is the perfect mirror to the one in ROTS sadly misinterpret repetition as a form of mirroring.

 

Can someone explain to me how mirroring makes for good storytelling?  Granted it makes the films interesting, but wouldn't the fact that the film deals with the Jedi vs. the Sith/Empire and center around the Skywalkers be enough?  If you really want mirroring, run all six movies through a black magic program and overlay all the scenes.

There's definitely value to be had in 'mirroring' as a storytelling tool. For example, in Les Miserables the first time someone is kind to Valjean is redeems him and sets the story in motion, and at the end the first time someone is kind to Javert he can't take it and kills himself, ending the story.

On the other hand, having people always say "I have a bad feeling about this" really doesn't have any particular resonance to a story, any more than the fact that Jabba, his dog, and the Sarlac all belch.

Vader screaming "Noooo" in Sith and then screaming No a couple times in Jedi doesn't increase or alter our understanding of the themes, or character at all.

Lucas's talk of mirroring and 'visual jazz' is interesting, sadly on the screen it's just not that compelling.

budwhite wrote: Did they replace Mace with CG as well...?

Looks like before the BR, they extended this shot a little.  Look at the wall patterns to the left of Mace's forehead.  There seems to be some cloning.  Seems to be in the HD as well.

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dark_jedi said:

Sevb32 said:

Reviews should not be allowed until the set is released. Amazon.com needs to overhaul their review system. They've needed to for years.

I couldn't agree with you more, even though some of these changes suck really bad, reviews should NOT be allowed until they are officially released, because you have all these people posting comments that do not even have the Set LOL.

WOW, I am agreeing with Frink again.

I disagree that reviews should not be allowed until they are officially released.  Some people get their hands on the products before they are officially released, and they should have the opportunity to review the product right then.  Also, in the case of movies, people who have already seen the movie should be allowed to review the movie's plot, etc.  If one thinks that a movie is horrible, one shouldn't have to wait to relive the garbage on DVD/BD in order to review it.

The changes for the SW BD's have been confirmed and that is enough for a lot of people to decide not to buy.  I like the fact that the set has only a 2 star rating before its official release, as some people (who haven't done their research) will wonder why it has a low rating, drill into the reviews, and find out that they too will not support George Lucas by either not ordering or cancelling their pre-order.

I do think that  DVD and Bluray releases of the same movie should have separate reviews/ratings, but that's a different story.

Sevb32 said:

Reviews should not be allowed until the set is released. Amazon.com needs to overhaul their review system. They've needed to for years.

I agree with this too, but I happily gave a one star protest review. It is a way to let unwitting consumers know what's going on, and I don't mind being a hypocrite in this instance.

Asaki said:

I always presumed Yoda was supposed to look younger in the trilogy...though at his age, I suppose a lapse of 18 years or so wouldn't be very noticeable.

Keep in mind he spent that last 23 years on a swamp planet with few luxuries. Image if you lived in a swamp on meager supplies for even 3 years?

wafflez said:

dark_jedi said:

Sevb32 said:

Reviews should not be allowed until the set is released. Amazon.com needs to overhaul their review system. They've needed to for years.

I couldn't agree with you more, even though some of these changes suck really bad, reviews should NOT be allowed until they are officially released, because you have all these people posting comments that do not even have the Set LOL.

WOW, I am agreeing with Frink again.

I disagree that reviews should not be allowed until they are officially released.  Some people get their hands on the products before they are officially released, and they should have the opportunity to review the product right then.  Also, in the case of movies, people who have already seen the movie should be allowed to review the movie's plot, etc.  If one thinks that a movie is horrible, one shouldn't have to wait to relive the garbage on DVD/BD in order to review it.

The changes for the SW BD's have been confirmed and that is enough for a lot of people to decide not to buy.  I like the fact that the set has only a 2 star rating before its official release, as some people (who haven't done their research) will wonder why it has a low rating, drill into the reviews, and find out that they too will not support George Lucas by either not ordering or cancelling their pre-order.

I do think that  DVD and Bluray releases of the same movie should have separate reviews/ratings, but that's a different story.

Yes man, but I bet you 95+ percent of those reviews have not seen the Entire blu-ray set or have it on hand.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

 I've always wondered why they just didn't use the original ESB and ROTJ Yoda puppet, which beat any CGI... :P

The original puppet and molds were not available. Latex rubber is a natural material and deteriorates very quickly. The few latex masks that still exist from the original trilogy are in a very fragile state and look nothing like they did back when.

Ah got it. Thanks for the information Darth Lars. I've always really wondered about that since the TPM puppet looks horrendous.

RANDOM MEMORY: I actually read an article around 2005 that they used the TPM puppet as a stand-in in ROTS during the Tantive IV scenes, but it's face was half-melted off, due to improper storage. Apparently the actors had a hard time concentrating because of this.

Sevb32 said:

wafflez said:

dark_jedi said:

Sevb32 said:

Reviews should not be allowed until the set is released. Amazon.com needs to overhaul their review system. They've needed to for years.

I couldn't agree with you more, even though some of these changes suck really bad, reviews should NOT be allowed until they are officially released, because you have all these people posting comments that do not even have the Set LOL.

WOW, I am agreeing with Frink again.

I disagree that reviews should not be allowed until they are officially released.  Some people get their hands on the products before they are officially released, and they should have the opportunity to review the product right then.  Also, in the case of movies, people who have already seen the movie should be allowed to review the movie's plot, etc.  If one thinks that a movie is horrible, one shouldn't have to wait to relive the garbage on DVD/BD in order to review it.

The changes for the SW BD's have been confirmed and that is enough for a lot of people to decide not to buy.  I like the fact that the set has only a 2 star rating before its official release, as some people (who haven't done their research) will wonder why it has a low rating, drill into the reviews, and find out that they too will not support George Lucas by either not ordering or cancelling their pre-order.

I do think that  DVD and Bluray releases of the same movie should have separate reviews/ratings, but that's a different story.

Yes man, but I bet you 95+ percent of those reviews have not seen the Entire blu-ray set or have it on hand.

I'm one of them that don't have the set on hand nor have I viewed the Bluray set, and I left a one star review.  My review would be the same even after I watch the Bluray.  The confirmed changes (and things that haven't been fixed) coupled with the yet again absence of the OTT are the reason why I would never give the set anything higher than a one star rating.

I don't care how the picture might look or anything else.  George has dug the hole already.  All I needed to know is the OTT is not on the set to give it a review.  Blade Runner was a good release.  This upcoming SW BD will not be.  End of story.  I don't need to view it to come to this conclusion.

That's my opinion and how I see it.

Hate to say it (may just be the Labor day weekend lull) but from Aug 30 - Sep 3rd there were many people writing about the SWBRs. (194 articles, 38 blogs according to news.google.com)  Sep 4th, a handful, less then 10, today one or two more.  That maybe how loud the public outcry gets.

The PT trilogy is about to go viral. (the public torrent version just tipped from 1 seed to 3, just over 1k people are on it.  according to the website page, the actual torrent is most likely different.)  The next wave of this adventure is about to arrive.

I don't have a problem with early reviews.  The Amazon system allows "everyone" to have their say, then they provide a series of tools so ones which people find useful can be sorted.  Amazon's system allows you to read ratings of a certain kind, and people can make up their own mind.  Is it disingenuous to review a product before seeing it sure, but if certain known quantities show that a future product won't live up to a certain aspiration, letting others know doesn't bother me.  There's sooo many reviews, like doritos doubt anyone reads just one.

Both Amazon and IMDB should add a system so you can view ratings over certain periods of time.  To see how time changes what people say about these items/movies/etc.

Some of the first leaked screens from TPM looked horrible (extreme denoising causing a wax look), although some other ones looked really good.

HERE'S one of the worst ones (and HERE'S the HDTV-version as a comparison).

DNR strikes back, I suppose. Lucas was probably trying to emulate a video look by DNR-ing things. The Mace Windu shot earlier does indeed look grain-reduced. It's a shame because I thought that TPM might have the best transfer in the set.

Which do you think is more bothersome: the EE and slight cropping of the HDTV broadcasts or this DNR'ed version?

EDIT: I do suppose that we should be thankful this wasn't done to the OT. Maybe Lucas wants to encourage the PT more by having what are, in his eyes, better transfers for them.

Tyrphanax said:

I gotta admit, the grainless versions look sharp as shit. But they just lack texture... that certain something. I dunno.

It's only so sharp BECAUSE all the detail got stripped out. Besides texture that "detail" was in fact fuzziness around softer edges. And those filters basically pinch those fuzzy edges together into sharp contours, while removing the detail in that process. Also the noise removal removed details that weren't film grain. Its not desirable at all!

Attack of the Clones & Revenge of the Sith were filmed at just under 2k resolution=1920x1080

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I wish that image was at 2k resolution...

That's forward thinking for you.

Laserschwert said:

Some of the first leaked screens from TPM looked horrible (extreme denoising causing a wax look), although some other ones looked really good.

HERE'S one of the worst ones (and HERE'S the HDTV-version as a comparison).

Holy amateur hour Batman.  

That is horrible.  There are off-the-shelf solutions that can do better noise reduction that that.