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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 251

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Budwhite wrote:

Harmy wrote: See, the guy is using the Premiere broadcast captures, while the German HDTV captures were supposedly higher quality, I'd really like to see some comparisons of the BD with those.

The colors of this person's Premiere cap look similar to the Cinemax'06 captures.  Premiere is the same as Sky?  So these would be the 2007 capture?

Anyway here are those two shots from the German'07 (19.1gb)

Star.Wars.IV.A.New.Hope.1080p.h264.dd51.de.en.dc.ts

Ben: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2498/starwarsivanewhope1080p.jpg

Rebel: http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2498/starwarsivanewhope1080p.jpg

(Note: people have had issues with some of my past screen caps.  VLC --> SnapzProX)

Thanks for the screencaps none.

The BD still looks like the winner to me.  

I am really not much of a Lucas homer, and the first to admit that most anything done with Star Wars post-80's is crap.  But the BD screens just look a smidgen better.  

What we should also probably be looking at is comparison shots of heavy action scenes, where the compression of an HDTV broadcast would really work against it.

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Harmy said:
Yeah, I'm now definitely decided to stick with the broadcasts as sources. The difference is so small, that it would be practically imperceptible in motion and I do not want to buy those Blu-Rays.


With all the new additions to the blu-rays, I gather it would make it quite a bit harder for you to use them as a source anyhow- just more stuff that you have to remove or replace with alternate footage.

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Mielr said:

 


Harmy said:
Yeah, I'm now definitely decided to stick with the broadcasts as sources. The difference is so small, that it would be practically imperceptible in motion and I do not want to buy those Blu-Rays.


With all the new additions to the blu-rays, I gather it would make it quite a bit harder for you to use them as a source anyhow- just more stuff that you have to remove or replace with alternate footage.

 

Qualitywise they'd still be a good source for edits, as you could just patch up the new changes with the HDTV broadcast to get the sharpest source possible. Of course the contrasts will still be unfixable.

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ladyferry said:
Just read this on jeditemplearchives.com;

<span></span>Latest Star Wars Saga DVDs Recalled? No Longer An Opportunity To Buy?

We have learned of a rumor. Please take this with a grain of salt until more in confirmed, but one of our readers has attempted to purchase some of the currently available Star Wars films on DVD. He was informed by a Walmart employee that all have been recalled. I have also not been able to find any in stock at the moment. Have we all missed the boat trying to grab the current versions? Does this mean that forever our beloved films will have Ewoks blinking? Could Lucasfilm, Ltd. be futilely trying to get rid of remaining existing versions of the Star Wars saga? More on this later as the story develops. But let us know if your experiences are different.

Link: http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8447


If true, that's odd because it's been confirmed that there will be no new DVD release to accompany the blurays.

I hope that everybody who wanted official copies of the GOUT have bought them by now, just in case.

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Mielr said:


If true, that's odd because it's been confirmed that there will be no new DVD release to accompany the blurays.

 

Maybe they're trying to finally bring about the end of the DVD era... like how they slowly phased out VHS.

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retartedted said:


What we should also probably be looking at is comparison shots of heavy action scenes, where the compression of an HDTV broadcast would really work against it.

I'd just like to second this request.

ROTJ Storyboard Reconstruction Project

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Well, we could always watch the OOT this way and save about 4 hours. And also save begging to get it in pristine quality.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Marty.McFly said:

Back then there was no Twitter of FB. I strongly believe that's the main reason so many people now know what crap the box set is before buying it.

Just imagine what it would have been like if Twitter (and overall number of people using the internet) existed back in May 1999 or in 97 - I imagine the backlash against Lucas would have been even worse than it is now.

I immediately thought this too.  YouTube came the following year, and it wasn't really until the last few years that it's in Joe Public's face, as of course is Twitter and Facebook.

A little ironic how the latest changes in tech is having an effect on Lucas' changes in his classic movies.

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Harmy said:

I'm afraid there is indeed something wrong with those screens none, they seem to have increased brightness (this is clearly visible on the black bars), which I'm sure isn't the case with the HDTV captures.

It's also not a very good source for discerning video quality vs. BluRay, since they've had JPEG compression added to them.

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Just imagine what it would have been like if Twitter (and overall number of people using the internet) existed back in May 1999 or in 97 - I imagine the backlash against Lucas would have been even worse than it is now.

Weren't all of the CGI changes one of the biggest things hyped for the '97 release? I seem to remember lots of commercials/specials on the new CGI X-wings and stuff like that.

Plus, they were calling them the "Special Editions", as opposed to now, where they've literally replaced the original editions in more ways than one.

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Actually a lot of people, including myself, were excited about the new changes back in 1997. While I knew even then they were unnecessary and ultimately didn't integrate that well with films shot 14-20 years before, I nevertheless enjoyed many of them. Greedo firing first, Luke screaming and Vader's "bring my shuttle" being replaced and the obvious outtake from ROTJ were the only changes I didn't like.

 

But at the time, DVD was just being introduced into the North American market, Laserdisc was still going strong, and I had the 1995 THX LDs, which, as far a I could tell, looked great on my 20 inch TV, so not having the OUT on a state-of-the-art format wasn't an issue. And I certainly didn't think even then about Lucas being such a stubborn prick that he wouldn't release the originals on DVD, or whatever other superior home video formats would come down the line.  There just simply wasn't the feeling the the "special editions" were meant to replace the originals back then.

While I do remember Cinefantisque and Sci-Fi Universe criticizing Lucas for making the changes, I think much of the press was reasonably positive for what Lucas was doing, though I didn't have consistent access to the web at that time so I don't know how the online community reacted to it.

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Bobby Jay said:

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lol, Lucas fans are clutching at straws.

http://blogs.starwars.com/teekay-421/106

I don't think that blog post is straw-clutching, because I think they've presumed George's intentions correctly. After all, George must have had intentions, no matter how horrible and ridiculous. Is it silly to guess at them?

Neither does it sound like an apologist argument. That would mean finding some crazy way to say the new "Noooo"s are an improvement. This blog post doesn't seem to do that.

 

I think it's clear that George wanted this moment to "rhyme" with Vader yelling "Nooooooooooo!" at the end of ROTS. In theory it's an artistically interesting choice. It's just a shame that George doesn't realise the "Noooooooo!" moment from ROTS is one of the stupidest, most laughable, cheesiest things in the entire saga. George also doesn't seem to care that Vader's silence in this scene was always a point of strength and good drama, which can only be spoiled by voicing his feelings.

Why do people keep on saying the scene with the added "Nooooo" now mirrors the scene in ROTS? The scene without the audio tweaks mirrored a scene in ROTS already and was a lot better than Vader's "birth" scene.

My favourite scene in ROTS (yes such a thing does exist) is the bit where Anakin is alone in the council chamber and in silence looks out across the vast city contemplating what to do. At the same moment, Padme stands in her apartment looking out towards the Jedi Temple. Anakin finally makes up his mind and rushes off to stop Windu killing Palpatine, an action that will ultimately lead him to the dark side.

This scene doesn't need dialogue and as I say is one of my favourite scenes. It mirrors Vader looking on in silence as Palpatine is slowly killing Luke. He makes his decision and turns on the Emperor, an action that ultimately leads to his redemption from the dark side.

Sadly, I doubt Lucas intended these scenes to mirror each other. People who think the added "NOOOOO" is the perfect mirror to the one in ROTS sadly misinterpret repetition as a form of mirroring.

It isn't, it's lazy storytelling that over explains it for sake of the few who don't understand what is going on. Even as a child, I enjoyed the scene in Jedi because despite the mask, you knew what Vader was thinking and no dialogue was needed. Then or now!

^This times over nine thousand.

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TV's Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

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generalfrevious said:

The best hope for us is to wish SW never existed in the first place.

Dude, shut the hell up, stop moping around this forum, and go download Harmy's or dark_jedi's preservations.

If you don't like my moping, then just ignore me dammit. People on this site can't admit this, but in recent years SW has done more harm than good. It took 30 years to realize the horrors unleashed because of SW's success. If the creator is the worst flaw of a franchise, than that franchise wasn't good in the first place. 

Every loud, substanceless works of pure shit (e.g. Michael Bay) can undeniably trace their ancestry to SW. Cinema as an art form became economically unviable in Hollywood after 1977, and we still haven't recovered from the shock. The constant revisions and destructions of the original versions are just nature taking its course.

Does that sound mopey, Frink?

Ah yes...if SW had never existed, we'd all be so much happier, and the crap blockbuster would never have been invented by someone else in the past 30 plus years.

Sheesh.

Alright, maybe I'm just pissed that the actual SW trilogy won't be there; and that LFL has added insult to injury by adding more changes when he said his vision was what it should be in 2004. I'm pissed that all copyright laws are designed to obliterate this film instead of preserving it because it is under the thumb of a mentally ill psychopath whose control of the media is shocking, and how little effort they can put into this product. 

So that's why I think all that backlash when SW came out in '77 makes sense, and the legacy it unleashed ruined everything.

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Bobby Jay said:

Why do people keep on saying the scene with the added "Nooooo" now mirrors the scene in ROTS? The scene without the audio tweaks mirrored a scene in ROTS already and was a lot better than Vader's "birth" scene.

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Sadly, I doubt Lucas intended these scenes to mirror each other. People who think the added "NOOOOO" is the perfect mirror to the one in ROTS sadly misinterpret repetition as a form of mirroring.

It isn't, it's lazy storytelling that over explains it for sake of the few who don't understand what is going on. Even as a child, I enjoyed the scene in Jedi because despite the mask, you knew what Vader was thinking and no dialogue was needed. Then or now!

Can someone explain to me how mirroring makes for good storytelling?  Granted it makes the films interesting, but wouldn't the fact that the film deals with the Jedi vs. the Sith/Empire and center around the Skywalkers be enough?  If you really want mirroring, run all six movies through a black magic program and overlay all the scenes.

One could argue that the movie 10 Things I Hate About You was designed to mirror Shakespeare's The Taming of the Shrew, but the fact that one was designed to mirror the other isn't a guarantee of quality.

I could design a £16 note on my computer, and if it looks like other legitimate notes, it doesn't make my own version valuable.  Mine still remains a counterfeit.  

Someone needs to educate those fans that insist on the superficial analysis of these movies that cardboard archetypes moving in synchronization is not what makes these movies good.  They aren't using any critical analysis, but just looking through the glass darkly.

Mirroring is really best if you are building a house of mirrors.

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I am one to still look forward to these blurays. I am not fooling myself in any way that I will get to see the UOT anytime soon, and I for one liked the changes when watched in 97 (then a few weeks later I came to my senses). The biggest problem isnt that Lucas has made alterations over the years, its that he is doing them half arsed.

I have problems with colours to start with, so not totally upset by pinkish bits here etc. Hoth in my mind has always been white, from the early 80s VHS it imprinted in my head. 97 still looked fine, then 04 made it blue. Too blue. My fav movie of all time and thats still the problem I have mostly.

Anyway, he spends some time making a really convincing rock face for R2 to hide behind. I like it, very convincing. How he gets there is questionable. He improved on the Death Star battle, lots of new effects make it more convincing. But when you see Luke holding a poor 70's effect lightsaber on the Falcon (and in Ben's house), you gotta wonder if Lucas is happy with that result. It has jagged edges, flickering pretty bad. Compared to Ben's saber, which while not being prequel material, is pretty impressive. Another is R2 in the Xwing - why was ESB & ROJ fixed, but still black panels in this one? Why are garbage mattes still evident, more obvious than ever before? Why is the blue screen of the falcon cockpit not fixed up with proper shades and colours of them inside (just compare to ESB).

There are another bunch of changes that could have improved the movies, but instead does some effects quite well, then others left in the poor standout-ish state. Quality Control has a lot to answer for.

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LegendaryPOO said:

I have problems with colours to start with, so not totally upset by pinkish bits here etc. Hoth in my mind has always been white, from the early 80s VHS it imprinted in my head. 97 still looked fine, then 04 made it blue. Too blue. My fav movie of all time and thats still the problem I have mostly.

Out of curiosity, have you checked out Adywan's AVCHD or his Theatrical Version, they both are color corrected to have a perfectly-White Hoth, which what was thought to be accurate at the time. As a fan of the white Hoth, those versions are really worth checking out; furthermore, the AVCHD is pretty much the same quality as the Blu-Rays and has the original Boba Fett and Emperor, so... sounds like it's for you.

Adywan has color corrected ANH too and Harmy's released all 3 in HD.

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Simon Pegg Reacts

 

Maybe a bit of overkill, but I understand the sentiment.

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LOL. I love that, as a celebrity, he's actually acting out his opinion, being melodramatic as in his movies. Where did he post that?

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

LOL. I love that, as a celebrity, he's actually acting out his opinion, being melodramatic as in his movies. Where did he post that?

The clip is from his TV-show "Spaced"... and it's already from 1999/2000.

The reason he burns his stuff in the show is Episode I :)

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

LOL. I love that, as a celebrity, he's actually acting out his opinion, being melodramatic as in his movies. Where did he post that?

It's actually his reaction to TPM from the TV show Spaced, which is great.

 

Here's another scene.

 

And the one in question.

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GOD DAMMIT LASERSCHWERT.

 

Well at least mine has links. Hrmp.

 

*crosses arms, snubs*

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Thanks bro.

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Ah I see... I haven't seen Spaced. It does indeed look funny and those clips were great.

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If you've liked "Shaun of the Dead" and "Hot Fuzz", you'll love "Spaced". Simon Pegg, Nick Frost, Edgar Wright... dream team!