Zombie i don't trust Spielberg not after War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones IV and Transformers 1-3.
He clearly has no idea what quality is anymore, just like Lucas.
Last good film Minority report, or saving private ryan. And even those are no, jaws, close encounters, e.t. or raiders.
Of course that is my opinion and everyone has one.
Also don't forget he directed the cgi for the mustafar lightsaber duel the one over the lava, and said episode 3 made him cry. Neither Spielberg or Ford had the integrity to challenge Lucas supersized ego on Indiana jones IV they just caved, the whole we refuse to do Indiana jones and aliens thing since 1993, they just showed up and phoned it in because they owe Lucas a personal debt, and are friends with him.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Those movies had problems because of the script, not direction. I thought WOTW was directed great. But personally I thought the best films he ever made have been in the last ten years. Catch Me If You Can, Munich, The Terminal and the like are way better than soppy stuff like E.T. and The Colour Purple.
The fatal flaw were the characters, because as a viewer I could give a rats ass about most of them. The only character I somewhat gravitated to was Obiwan Kenobi, but I could honestly care less about Padme and Anakin.
I still think the overall story of the Prequels was pretty good, but Lucas couldn't pull off the emotional part of 99% of the scenes, so the movies just felt very stale when you watch them.
Star Wars Prequels are a perfect reason why I don't go to summer movies anymore, because most are flashy on action and CGI and light on character development and story.
You could be right about one thing though Lucas as control freak he backseat directed Jedi and that just barely came out okay, he backseat directed Crystal skull and it was horrible.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:
Also don't forget he directed the cgi for the mustafar lightsaber duel the one over the lava, and said episode 3 made him cry.
Maybe he was laughing too hard.
Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.
ChainsawAsh said:
That they're completely unnecessary until you get to ROTS. That movie is like an anthology of bullet points that should have been hit in all 3 movies, and it suffers for it.
But that's why many people liked it better than the others - it gave them what they were expecting out of the first 2 movies.
I still maintain that TPM is the best of the prequels, since, while it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of Star Wars, it has the most cohesive story of all the prequels.
I agree about TPM being the best of the three. ROTS was too crammed with things Lucas should have spread out across the whole trilogy.
That future generations will have all the surprises from the OT ruined because they'll see the prequels first. As one who doesn't quite hate them (and would go as far as saying "Hayden has his moments") this is something that bothers me about their existence.
For me the fatal flaw is the high reliance on greenscreen for everything from special effects to virtual sets.
None of the CGI (or miniature comped) sets seemed tangible, there was little interaction between the actors and their environment besides shooting and slicing and sitting in cockpits. The rest of the movies seemed to be sitting or standing around.
The technique is probably perfected in Avatar, but even that flick left me cold and no yearning to go and see it again.
I remember reading the novelisation of TPM before seeing it at the cinema and thinking the story played out pretty well. So it's a flawed execution. Poor direction. Did Lucas even leave the video village?
I just watched a few minutes of AOTC on Spike (I couldn't take any more than that). it's amazing to me that even though I saw the film in the theater, I had no memory of the scenes I saw on TV.
The CGI looks even worse on TV- the characters don't look like they're part of their environment. They LOOK like they're standing in front of a green-screen with CG cartoon creatures surrounding them. That's one of many fatal flaws.
Horrible characters. Specifically, a terribly-written enemy. Over-reliance on CGI for characters that could well have been human and thus at least somewhat relatable? Why do all the enemies have to be weird racist aliens whose motivations are unclear???
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
www.redlettermedia.com
pretty much.
lol, i essentially restated rlm's most pertinent point, i think. the man wasn't always right though - I don't think Qui-Gon was quite as forgettable, stupid or immoral as they try to make him out to be.
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
bilditup1 said:
Horrible characters. Specifically, a terribly-written enemy. Over-reliance on CGI for characters that could well have been human and thus at least somewhat relatable? Why do all the enemies have to be weird racist aliens whose motivations are unclear???
Who tf is San Hill??? It just proves my point. But then, I don't remember most of what happened in AOTC
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
And what was the point of having all Clone Troopers be digital characters?? Running around a digital desert, to make things worse...
skyjedi2005 said:
Zombie i don't trust Spielberg not after War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones IV and Transformers 1-3.
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
miker71 said:
I remember reading the novelisation of TPM before seeing it at the cinema and thinking the story played out pretty well. So it's a flawed execution. Poor direction. Did Lucas even leave the video village?
Yeah, I snuck a peek at a comic book version of TPM before the release, and really liked it. And then I was really underwhelmed by the film, and it wasn't because of spoilers.
bilditup1 said:
Who tf is San Hill???
Leader of the Banking Clan. Sometimes, I'm really ashamed that I know things like that.
That’s impossible, even for a computer.
Mavimao said:
Does anyone remember the clonewars cartoon? Not the new cgi one but the hand drawn one that came out before revenge of the sith? THAT is how the PT should have been. It actually showed a likeable anakin, a believable relationship between him and padme, and a story that was engaging and exciting.
It was basically an obvious tie-in, but that says something when the tie in is more emotionally believable than the actual product.
The other thing the Genndy Clone Wars cartoon had was good direction. Yep it was engaging and fun to watch. I agree with the earlier comments about the suckitude of Lucas directing and writing and everything else. Heck, I agree with pretty much all of the comments already made. No fatal flaw singular, fatal flawS abound in the PT.
EFU said:
Mavimao said:
Does anyone remember the clonewars cartoon? Not the new cgi one but the hand drawn one that came out before revenge of the sith? THAT is how the PT should have been. It actually showed a likeable anakin, a believable relationship between him and padme, and a story that was engaging and exciting.
It was basically an obvious tie-in, but that says something when the tie in is more emotionally believable than the actual product.The other thing the Genndy Clone Wars cartoon had was good direction. Yep it was engaging and fun to watch. I agree with the earlier comments about the suckitude of Lucas directing and writing and everything else. Heck, I agree with pretty much all of the comments already made. No fatal flaw singular, fatal flawS abound in the PT.
Yup. It's quite sad that Genndy's Star Wars had more character depth and emotional maturity than Lucas'. (Not to mention pure style.) The former is now, of course, out-of-print. Anyone seeing a trend here? No?
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
NP won the Academy Award.
I believe that her progress throughout the PT, culminating in her ROTS performance, had as much if not more to do with the Oscar as BlSw.
GL wrote and directed that character and developement...Just sayin' ;)
LOL
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
thejediknighthusezni said:
NP won the Academy Award.
I believe that her progress throughout the PT, culminating in her ROTS performance, had as much if not more to do with the Oscar as BlSw.
GL wrote and directed that character and developement...Just sayin' ;)
Wut
The fatal flaw was that he ever made them to begin with. The fatal flaw was two fold.
1. The films sucked from start to finsh.
2. They cheapened what are considered two masterpieces in the "film" (not Star Wars) community.
miker71 said:
I remember reading the novelisation of TPM before seeing it at the cinema and thinking the story played out pretty well. So it's a flawed execution. Poor direction. Did Lucas even leave the video village?
I also read the novelizations of the prequels and you are correct; they are significantly better than the films. Contrast this to the novelizations of the OT - where the writers couldn't really capture the fun of the films. I thought Jedi had the best novelization from an emotional point of view. I love the last lines: The Empire was dead. Long live the Alliance.
“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord
For me the "fatal flaw" was, I didnt care. I dont care about anything or anyone in the PT. The actor portrayals, storyline, visuals didnt inspire me in the least. Nowadays I get a headache and my mind wanders if I watch more than 5 minutes of PT. Also there's no "cool" factor or "intrigue" factor except for Darth Maul, who was extrememely underwritten and poorly executed. Luke's landspeeder, x-wings death star assault,m.falcon action, vader vs kenobi intrigue etc. etc., are bad ass cool! Farting race camels, tax route disputes, slobbering boss gungans, yipee!, whiffing victory high fives, stoic-faced protrayals-----SSSSSSUCK! And jar-jerk binks, what a sick joke to SW. There is nothing logically important about this schmuck. Just simply "there" for advertisement. From the time he 1st pollutes the screen to the end, there is no logical function of this orange putz. So much time and story potential was wasted on jarjar's horrific attempt at kiddie comedy in TPM. sad
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