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I don't think we'll ever see "From Star Wars to Jedi"...it contradicts Lucas' current vision too much. It's a damn shame too...

I do have a version on DVD...one of my supplemental LD discs from back in the day. I believe it is from "Rowman"...

Empire of Dreams is also fantastic...and an unbelievable omission from this set. 

If the alleged changes are true...I really think the old man is starting to lose it...or he is literally trying to give the finger to the people that prefer the UOT...

Reading the various forums and blogs...it is amazing to read some of the post from the die hard's that bow to Lucas. Some are even saying that that the new Vader line in ROTJ "bridges the two trilogies together", etc.

Sad stuff...

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nmr1723 said:

If the alleged changes are true...I really think the old man is starting to lose it...or he is literally trying to give the finger to the people that prefer the UOT...

I wouldn't say that necessarily...

Just that he / they want to give people a *reason* to buy it. You may have the 2004 DVDs... but they aren't the most up-to-date tellings of the story, anymore.

I wish the trilogy supplements were available with the separate trilogies.

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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nmr1723 said:

I don't think we'll ever see "From Star Wars to Jedi"...it contradicts Lucas' current vision too much. It's a damn shame too...

I do have a version on DVD...one of my supplemental LD discs from back in the day. I believe it is from "Rowman"...

Empire of Dreams is also fantastic...and an unbelievable omission from this set.

If the alleged changes are true...I really think the old man is starting to lose it...or he is literally trying to give the finger to the people that prefer the UOT...

Reading the various forums and blogs...it is amazing to read some of the post from the die hard's that bow to Lucas. Some are even saying that that the new Vader line in ROTJ "bridges the two trilogies together", etc.

Sad stuff...

Sadly he is not only trying to wipe away a 20 year history, but also wipe aaway some people that had a lot to do with the success of teh OT! I bet we don't see Gary Kurtz or Marcia Lucas anywhere in these extras! Not like she won an academy award for editing or anything...oh wait..err...

 

Watching DJ's ROTJ tonight!!!!!

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Dark Jedi,

First off, I wanted to let you know that I'm using your V3 releases to introduce my son to Star Wars. After he is familiar with them, I'll introduce him to each set of bastardizations--I mean, changes.

I love the choices for audio tracks, and I was wondering if you ever plan on including the commentaries from the 1993 LD set like Editdroid did back in the day with his DVDs. I think it is the only thing missing from a great collection. Thanks for giving us such a great way to remember the Holy Trilogy the way it is meant to be.

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I just watched a bit of the new Blu Ray ROTJ, starting from just before the "Nooo" all the way to the end..

Aside from the "Nooo", the celebration on Endor also irritated me. There's scenes of celebration and tearing down of statues from Coruscant, Naboo, etc. Most irritating is the change of music during the celebration on Endor. I think the mood was changed... I think this is from the most recent re-release right?

I must say that the colours and detail is quite fantastic. I mean, you can see just how old Palpatine is in ROTJ when they close up on his face as he is electrocuting Luke. But, the story _HAS_ been affected by these changes. What a waste..

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In Blu Ray ANH, I must say that they turned up the saturation on colours fairly significantly. As Leia's ship is being pursued, the brown of the planet below has many red and white streaks. A little too strong I feel.

And then, as the ship is being captured (around 3:15), the sound effects of the ship being pulled into the landing bay of the star destroyer is now much louder. Where bfore it is more muffled, now it is much clearer. Incorrect I feel since if you are inside a starship, wouldn't such sounds be in fact muffled and not crystal clear? This is a starship, not a submarine..

As the storm troopers enter, the laser beams are again fairly strongly saturated. Too much red and green stuff flying in all directions - distracting.

But, I must admit, the detail on the rebel guard's face at 3:30 is a joy to behold. You can see clearly all the hair on his head and eyebrows :) Plus, the underside of the star destroyer is clearer than ever.

 

I will say this - this release seems to be keeping up with the times - keeping up with the Transformers and the Pirates and the Potters. Or at least, in terms of movie production emphasis. The explosions are louder, the laser beams more pronounced, the dialog less subtle and more direct, etc. It is like if the Trilogy was filmed/created in 2011 instead of 1970 - this is what the movies would be like. It's like Star Wars for the new generation who are growing up with Optimus Prime and Captain Jack. Wait a minute, didn't I watch Transformers 30 odd years ago too? I swear there wasn't anyone in the cartoons that remotely looked as good as Megan Fox..

Sigh.. Maybe I'm getting old and can't get past what *I* remember of Star Wars and GL is a genius at constantly updating a masterpiece and keeping it current from decade to decade.

I may disagree with/dislike what GL is doing to the OT, but I am not obtuse enough to assert that my generation's view of a good movie/story is better than the current generation's typical "top notch fare"..

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patkhoo said:

In Blu Ray ANH, I must say that they turned up the saturation on colours fairly significantly. As Leia's ship is being pursued, the brown of the planet below has many red and white streaks. A little too strong I feel.

And then, as the ship is being captured (around 3:15), the sound effects of the ship being pulled into the landing bay of the star destroyer is now much louder. Where bfore it is more muffled, now it is much clearer. Incorrect I feel since if you are inside a starship, wouldn't such sounds be in fact muffled and not crystal clear? This is a starship, not a submarine..

As the storm troopers enter, the laser beams are again fairly strongly saturated. Too much red and green stuff flying in all directions - distracting.

But, I must admit, the detail on the rebel guard's face at 3:30 is a joy to behold. You can see clearly all the hair on his head and eyebrows :) Plus, the underside of the star destroyer is clearer than ever.

 

I will say this - this release seems to be keeping up with the times - keeping up with the Transformers and the Pirates and the Potters. Or at least, in terms of movie production emphasis. The explosions are louder, the laser beams more pronounced, the dialog less subtle and more direct, etc. It is like if the Trilogy was filmed/created in 2011 instead of 1970 - this is what the movies would be like. It's like Star Wars for the new generation who are growing up with Optimus Prime and Captain Jack. Wait a minute, didn't I watch Transformers 30 odd years ago too? I swear there wasn't anyone in the cartoons that remotely looked as good as Megan Fox..

Sigh.. Maybe I'm getting old and can't get past what *I* remember of Star Wars and GL is a genius at constantly updating a masterpiece and keeping it current from decade to decade.

I may disagree with/dislike what GL is doing to the OT, but I am not obtuse enough to assert that my generation's view of a good movie/story is better than the current generation's typical "top notch fare"..

So, creating continuity errors in its brand-new special effects is "Top Notch Fare?"

Mace Windu said:

I don't think so.

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Pennsylvania Jones said:

patkhoo said:

In Blu Ray ANH, I must say that they turned up the saturation on colours fairly significantly. As Leia's ship is being pursued, the brown of the planet below has many red and white streaks. A little too strong I feel.

And then, as the ship is being captured (around 3:15), the sound effects of the ship being pulled into the landing bay of the star destroyer is now much louder. Where bfore it is more muffled, now it is much clearer. Incorrect I feel since if you are inside a starship, wouldn't such sounds be in fact muffled and not crystal clear? This is a starship, not a submarine..

As the storm troopers enter, the laser beams are again fairly strongly saturated. Too much red and green stuff flying in all directions - distracting.

But, I must admit, the detail on the rebel guard's face at 3:30 is a joy to behold. You can see clearly all the hair on his head and eyebrows :) Plus, the underside of the star destroyer is clearer than ever.

 

I will say this - this release seems to be keeping up with the times - keeping up with the Transformers and the Pirates and the Potters. Or at least, in terms of movie production emphasis. The explosions are louder, the laser beams more pronounced, the dialog less subtle and more direct, etc. It is like if the Trilogy was filmed/created in 2011 instead of 1970 - this is what the movies would be like. It's like Star Wars for the new generation who are growing up with Optimus Prime and Captain Jack. Wait a minute, didn't I watch Transformers 30 odd years ago too? I swear there wasn't anyone in the cartoons that remotely looked as good as Megan Fox..

Sigh.. Maybe I'm getting old and can't get past what *I* remember of Star Wars and GL is a genius at constantly updating a masterpiece and keeping it current from decade to decade.

I may disagree with/dislike what GL is doing to the OT, but I am not obtuse enough to assert that my generation's view of a good movie/story is better than the current generation's typical "top notch fare"..

So, creating continuity errors in its brand-new special effects is "Top Notch Fare?"

Mace Windu said:

I don't think so.

I don't think so either. But who am I to say that Lady GaGa is worse than Abba? There was a time when Rock and Roll was considered halfway to blasphemy, but I'd take anything from Elvis over Eminem any day.

Katy Perry just scored 5 number one singles from a single album - a feat previously only ever achieved by one other person - Michael Jackson. But Katy Perry's number 1s have spent a combined total of 18 weeks at no 1 compared to just 7 weeks for Michael. Does this mean Katy Perry is better than Michael Jackson? I guess it depends who you ask.

I think the changes made by GL are total crap. But that's me. I can imagine there are plenty of other people, probably much younger than me, who may actually agree with GL. For that achievement, OK, I have to (grudgingly) tip my hat in respect and recognition to him.

I may understand the reasons for the changes - and maybe even articulate them, but I still don't agree with them. If I did, I wouldn't be hanging out here at OT.com with all you fine fellows, waiting patiently for DJ's Project Blu now would I? :D

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patkhoo said:

Pennsylvania Jones said:

patkhoo said:

In Blu Ray ANH, I must say that they turned up the saturation on colours fairly significantly. As Leia's ship is being pursued, the brown of the planet below has many red and white streaks. A little too strong I feel.

And then, as the ship is being captured (around 3:15), the sound effects of the ship being pulled into the landing bay of the star destroyer is now much louder. Where bfore it is more muffled, now it is much clearer. Incorrect I feel since if you are inside a starship, wouldn't such sounds be in fact muffled and not crystal clear? This is a starship, not a submarine..

As the storm troopers enter, the laser beams are again fairly strongly saturated. Too much red and green stuff flying in all directions - distracting.

But, I must admit, the detail on the rebel guard's face at 3:30 is a joy to behold. You can see clearly all the hair on his head and eyebrows :) Plus, the underside of the star destroyer is clearer than ever.

 

I will say this - this release seems to be keeping up with the times - keeping up with the Transformers and the Pirates and the Potters. Or at least, in terms of movie production emphasis. The explosions are louder, the laser beams more pronounced, the dialog less subtle and more direct, etc. It is like if the Trilogy was filmed/created in 2011 instead of 1970 - this is what the movies would be like. It's like Star Wars for the new generation who are growing up with Optimus Prime and Captain Jack. Wait a minute, didn't I watch Transformers 30 odd years ago too? I swear there wasn't anyone in the cartoons that remotely looked as good as Megan Fox..

Sigh.. Maybe I'm getting old and can't get past what *I* remember of Star Wars and GL is a genius at constantly updating a masterpiece and keeping it current from decade to decade.

I may disagree with/dislike what GL is doing to the OT, but I am not obtuse enough to assert that my generation's view of a good movie/story is better than the current generation's typical "top notch fare"..

So, creating continuity errors in its brand-new special effects is "Top Notch Fare?"

Mace Windu said:

I don't think so.

I don't think so either. But who am I to say that Lady GaGa is worse than Abba? There was a time when Rock and Roll was considered halfway to blasphemy, but I'd take anything from Elvis over Eminem any day.

Katy Perry just scored 5 number one singles from a single album - a feat previously only ever achieved by one other person - Michael Jackson. But Katy Perry's number 1s have spent a combined total of 18 weeks at no 1 compared to just 7 weeks for Michael. Does this mean Katy Perry is better than Michael Jackson? I guess it depends who you ask.

I think the changes made by GL are total crap. But that's me. I can imagine there are plenty of other people, probably much younger than me, who may actually agree with GL. For that achievement, OK, I have to (grudgingly) tip my hat in respect and recognition to him.

I may understand the reasons for the changes - and maybe even articulate them, but I still don't agree with them. If I did, I wouldn't be hanging out here at OT.com with all you fine fellows, waiting patiently for DJ's Project Blu now would I? :D

Sorry, I was just joking back. ;)  My comment was mostly directed to the kindergarteners who work at LFL.

If George changed his mind and released the Originals with a proper HD master (hypothetically speaking, of course), I'll bet you $3,000 the newer fans won't go "AARGH!!!  I HATE LUCAS FOR MAKING THE UNALTERED MOVIES AVAILABLE!!!"  At worst, they'll just say "Okay, there's your HD Unaltered Trilogy.  Now will you please SHUT UP?"

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I'm sure these threads are going to get a lot busier as news of the recent changes for the Blu-ray Saga spread.

I'm proof of that, I just registered, and I want to say I'm amazed at the dedication that's been put in to restore the films.

dark_jedi, your work looks amazing, I look forward to seeing your project blu effort when they are released, although it sounds like you really do need a break from SW :)

I'd love an invite to myspleen to get the dvd's if anyone can help with that.

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walesisok said:

I'm sure these threads are going to get a lot busier as news of the recent changes for the Blu-ray Saga spread.

I'm proof of that, I just registered, and I want to say I'm amazed at the dedication that's been put in to restore the films.

dark_jedi, your work looks amazing, I look forward to seeing your project blu effort when they are released, although it sounds like you really do need a break from SW :)

I'd love an invite to myspleen to get the dvd's if anyone can help with that.

Invite sent and welcome to the Forums.

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I'd like to say like Walesisok I too joined because of the recent news of even more changes.  I was able to have a friend get me your version of Star Wars and I was amazed.  I was also wondering if it would be possible to get a myspleen invite to get the other two myself?  Thanks for all your work.

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Scroobiuspip said:

I'd like to say like Walesisok I too joined because of the recent news of even more changes.  I was able to have a friend get me your version of Star Wars and I was amazed.  I was also wondering if it would be possible to get a myspleen invite to get the other two myself?  Thanks for all your work.

Check your PM's, invite sent.

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Scroobiuspip said:

I'd like to say like Walesisok I too joined because of the recent news of even more changes.  I was able to have a friend get me your version of Star Wars and I was amazed.  I was also wondering if it would be possible to get a myspleen invite to get the other two myself?  Thanks for all your work.

 

Another here who's just looked into these projects after the recent news, I'm really intrigued to see your version, and would also appreciate an invite to myspleen if possible.

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YouWish8 said:

Scroobiuspip said:

I'd like to say like Walesisok I too joined because of the recent news of even more changes.  I was able to have a friend get me your version of Star Wars and I was amazed.  I was also wondering if it would be possible to get a myspleen invite to get the other two myself?  Thanks for all your work.

 

Another here who's just looked into these projects after the recent news, I'm really intrigued to see your version, and would also appreciate an invite to myspleen if possible.

Check your PM's, invite sent.

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Pennsylvania Jones said:

Sorry, I was just joking back. ;)  My comment was mostly directed to the kindergarteners who work at LFL.

If George changed his mind and released the Originals with a proper HD master (hypothetically speaking, of course), I'll bet you $3,000 the newer fans won't go "AARGH!!!  I HATE LUCAS FOR MAKING THE UNALTERED MOVIES AVAILABLE!!!"  At worst, they'll just say "Okay, there's your HD Unaltered Trilogy.  Now will you please SHUT UP?"

I hear you - kindergartenders indeed :D

But my fear/worry/?? is that if GL had released the _REAL_ _PURE_ OT on BluRay, the younger generations would have said "What is the big deal?" and "OK, gotcha, this is my father's ice-cream truck" or "You mean Zac Efron isn't in it?" or ...

I don't know whether to weep in despair or disgust.. We need to find ways to show that this (the fantastic work that people like DJ have put in to preserving the OT) _IS_ better than the brain-washing-mind-altering-history-morphing crap that is the current incarnation of the Trilogy.. How?

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Hi Dark,

PM sent.    I converted my own years ago but lost them and really don't have the time now to learn the whole process again.

Looks like the v3 are the ones to get now.  Thanks!  My sons will only be watching these versions too!

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Hi All.  Perhaps I should introduce myself in another thread. However, I stumbled across this forum in the hopes that SOMEONE out there has been dedicated enough to preserve our history. In light of the new BD's coming out, I felt compelled to search and my search has led me here.

I can't stand that GL has been "tinkering" with the OT. It's not much, on this release, but the first 100 cuts of death by a thousand cuts probably doesn't feel too bad either. I've given up hope and wish to be a member here.

Dark_jedi, could you please send me an invite. I would love to somehow optain a copy, for me and my family's enjoyment as well as to help preserve what I remember was the OT.

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origtri4eva said:

Hi All.  Perhaps I should introduce myself in another thread. However, I stumbled across this forum in the hopes that SOMEONE out there has been dedicated enough to preserve our history. In light of the new BD's coming out, I felt compelled to search and my search has led me here.

I can't stand that GL has been "tinkering" with the OT. It's not much, on this release, but the first 100 cuts of death by a thousand cuts probably doesn't feel too bad either. I've given up hope and wish to be a member here.

Dark_jedi, could you please send me an invite. I would love to somehow optain a copy, for me and my family's enjoyment as well as to help preserve what I remember was the OT.

PM sent with invite.

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There may be an influx of new members in this thread in the coming days from Reddit...which may or may not be my fault, due to the fact that I may or may not have posted a link to this thread there...

*whistles casually while slowly backing away*

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ChainsawAsh said:

There may be an influx of new members in this thread in the coming days from Reddit...which may or may not be my fault, due to the fact that I may or may not have posted a link to this thread there...

*whistles casually while slowly backing away*

What is Reddit....?

and it is funny, I have given out over 75 invites in the past several days between the new members and here and the members at tehparadox it seems like, which is cool.

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dark_jedi said:

ChainsawAsh said:

There may be an influx of new members in this thread in the coming days from Reddit...which may or may not be my fault, due to the fact that I may or may not have posted a link to this thread there...

*whistles casually while slowly backing away*

What is Reddit....?

and it is funny, I have given out over 75 invites in the past several days between the new members and here and the members at tehparadox it seems like, which is cool.


www.reddit.com. It's just a news aggregator type site (think digg) but a little more organized and very community driven. I've posted links to here whenever there's a discussion, and even started a thread, but it didn't really get too popular. Oh well, people love to complain about the changes but don't do anything  other than complain about it and buy it anyways lol  (not that I do much more than download the work of others, but still)

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patkhoo said:

Pennsylvania Jones said:

Sorry, I was just joking back. ;)  My comment was mostly directed to the kindergarteners who work at LFL.

If George changed his mind and released the Originals with a proper HD master (hypothetically speaking, of course), I'll bet you $3,000 the newer fans won't go "AARGH!!!  I HATE LUCAS FOR MAKING THE UNALTERED MOVIES AVAILABLE!!!"  At worst, they'll just say "Okay, there's your HD Unaltered Trilogy.  Now will you please SHUT UP?"

I hear you - kindergartenders indeed :D

But my fear/worry/?? is that if GL had released the _REAL_ _PURE_ OT on BluRay, the younger generations would have said "What is the big deal?" and "OK, gotcha, this is my father's ice-cream truck" or "You mean Zac Efron isn't in it?" or ...

I don't know whether to weep in despair or disgust.. We need to find ways to show that this (the fantastic work that people like DJ have put in to preserving the OT) _IS_ better than the brain-washing-mind-altering-history-morphing crap that is the current incarnation of the Trilogy.. How?

Obviously, what we want is compromise: the unaltered versions alongside the Special Edition.  George doesn't want to do that, and Lucas worshipers are bashing us because our will is contrary to that of the almighty Lucas.  If Lucas decides to show the unaltered trilogy the respect that even the worst/least known of today's movies get, Lucas worshipers won't have a problem with it because it'd be Lucas' decision.  I know I'm the only one bringing this up, but it's my perspective on the situation.

But you do have a point about the younger generation.  Most don't give a carp about ANY sort of history.  Even if the unaltered trilogy were to be made available, they probably wouldn't care.

But then again...  Look at me!  I'm a part of the younger generation, and the whole reason I prefer the Unaltered version is because of the corrected lightsaber inconsistancies.  If there were more kids like me and Aluminum Falcon, then the Theatrical version would definitely grow in popularity.

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Hello again,

I love reading about the work that went into the v3 versions.  I also notice that the BD-25 versions are not yet uploaded, but some people are commenting as if they have downloaded/seen them?  Any ETA on when they'll be up?

In the meantime, I would love a PM with invite info to myspleen.  I would be happy to seed 24/7.

 

Thanks,

Sam