The new unfreezing effect in the Blu-Ray version looks better, I gotta say. Also that last shot of R2 in those set of pics looks bleaker, nicer even. Adywan, the line "Father...please!" was almost removed!? I don't believe it.
TV's Frink said:
I'm not sure why people are shocked, given what happened in the SE previously.
QFT.
TV's Frink said:
So...what did I miss....
Oh.
...
I'm not sure why people are shocked, given what happened in the SE previously. Han stepping on Jabba's tail. Gringo shooting first. The worst musical act ever. Hayden's creepy uncle stalker head on Shaw's body. Gungans yelling "Wesa free!"
Not to mention the screwed up deliberate decisions regarding color and sound.
A bunch of new, terrible changes should have been expected. And make no mistake, they are indeed terrible. But they shouldn't be surprising.
I'm still on the fence regarding purchase, but nothing I've heard in the last few days has made a difference to me regarding that decision.
I probably knew that some changes were going to be on the set, but I am still appalled that he changed them for a third time. I don't care if there were technical "improvements" to the films. They should not be tinkered with at all once they are finished. I cannot purchase this shit. This is an affront to everything tasteful about society. I have to say this, but this PTSE nightmare has lasted longer than the Third Reich for chrissakes. I know it stupid for me to compare GL to Hitler, but IMO he has finally deserved that moniker in terms of filmmaking. Now don't get me wrong, GL is not a murderous dictator or plunging the country into a hellhole. He can make as much shlock in the vein of the PT as long as he is alive. But when he has to change the original movies every seven fucking years I lose a little of my faith in humanity.
Katie Lucas said:
"There is a special place in Hell for haters next to the one for child molesters and people who talk obnoxiously in the theatre"
Wow, we're all worse than child molesters!
And you thought the "raped my childhood" hyperbole was bad.
I'm sorry, this girl sounds like a moron and if she's getting grief on Twitter, she probably deserves it.
evan1975 said:
Katie Lucas said:
"There is a special place in Hell for haters next to the one for child molesters and people who talk obnoxiously in the theatre"
Wow, we're all worse than child molesters!
And you thought the "raped my childhood" hyperbole was bad.
I'm sorry, this girl sounds like a moron and if she's getting grief on Twitter, she probably deserves it.
I'm as pissed off about these new changes as anybody, but Katie's obviously joking... She's (mis)quoting a comical moment from Firefly and adding in her own bit...
rpvee said:
I do have a guess as to why they did the "NO". Granted, it'd be a very stupid reason, but I wouldn't put it past them to care about something so trivial and not saber colors.
It's a tradition to have a dramatic "NOOO" in every Star Wars film:
TPM: Obi-Wan after Qui-Gon is stabbed.
AOTC: Obi-Wan upon Anakin's charging at Dooku.
ROTS: Anakin before attacking Mace/Vader after waking up.
SW: Luke after Obi-Wan is killed
ESB: Luke after learning the truth.
ROTJ: Some argue Luke screams "NO" after Vader threatens to turn Leia, but "officially" he says "NEVER". So as far as I can recall, there was never a "NO" in Jedi... until now.
Granted, I AM NOT SAYING THIS MAKES THE NEW "NO" REASONABLE BY ANY MEANS. It still sucks like hell. I just wanted to point out their possible motivation.
Why couldn't it be this guy instead:
"Nooo..... Noooooooooooooo!!!"
Katie Lucas said:
You're Tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker.
Haters said:
Then I'll see you in hell!
"Well here's a big bag of rock salt" - Patton Oswalt
see you auntie said:
rpvee said:
I do have a guess as to why they did the "NO". Granted, it'd be a very stupid reason, but I wouldn't put it past them to care about something so trivial and not saber colors.
It's a tradition to have a dramatic "NOOO" in every Star Wars film:
TPM: Obi-Wan after Qui-Gon is stabbed.
AOTC: Obi-Wan upon Anakin's charging at Dooku.
ROTS: Anakin before attacking Mace/Vader after waking up.
SW: Luke after Obi-Wan is killed
ESB: Luke after learning the truth.
ROTJ: Some argue Luke screams "NO" after Vader threatens to turn Leia, but "officially" he says "NEVER". So as far as I can recall, there was never a "NO" in Jedi... until now.
Granted, I AM NOT SAYING THIS MAKES THE NEW "NO" REASONABLE BY ANY MEANS. It still sucks like hell. I just wanted to point out their possible motivation.
Why couldn't it be this guy instead:
"Nooo..... Noooooooooooooo!!!"
Katie Lucas said:
You're Tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker.
Haters said:
Then I'll see you in hell!
Ironically, that circus trainer was more interesting than any PT character.
In all Spanish versions of ROTJ Luke says "Nooo!" instead of "Never!".
generalfrevious said:
see you auntie said:
rpvee said:
I do have a guess as to why they did the "NO". Granted, it'd be a very stupid reason, but I wouldn't put it past them to care about something so trivial and not saber colors.
It's a tradition to have a dramatic "NOOO" in every Star Wars film:
TPM: Obi-Wan after Qui-Gon is stabbed.
AOTC: Obi-Wan upon Anakin's charging at Dooku.
ROTS: Anakin before attacking Mace/Vader after waking up.
SW: Luke after Obi-Wan is killed
ESB: Luke after learning the truth.
ROTJ: Some argue Luke screams "NO" after Vader threatens to turn Leia, but "officially" he says "NEVER". So as far as I can recall, there was never a "NO" in Jedi... until now.
Granted, I AM NOT SAYING THIS MAKES THE NEW "NO" REASONABLE BY ANY MEANS. It still sucks like hell. I just wanted to point out their possible motivation.
Why couldn't it be this guy instead:
"Nooo..... Noooooooooooooo!!!"
Katie Lucas said:
You're Tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker.
Haters said:
Then I'll see you in hell!
Ironically, that circus trainer was more interesting than any PT character.
Yeah, and his reaction to the Rancor's death had more emotional resonance than anything in the prequels ... combined!
I would love if one day Gary Kurtz, Marcia Lucas, Howard Kazanjian, Lawrence Kasdan, and other significant creative forces behind the OT would just come together and speak out against these being "George's films."
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
rpvee said:
It's a sad day when we prefer the 2004's over something.
Yeah, I was shocked by the nostalgia that I, and many others had over the 97 edition. I'm afraid of what we'll see on the Red Ray edition.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Free Hat said:
generalfrevious said:
see you auntie said:
Why couldn't it be this guy instead:
"Nooo..... Noooooooooooooo!!!"
Katie Lucas said:
You're Tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker.
Haters said:
Then I'll see you in hell!
Ironically, that circus trainer was more interesting than any PT character.
Yeah, and his reaction to the Rancor's death had more emotional resonance than anything in the prequels ... combined!
Maybe George gave Rancor Keeper some new dialogue in the upcoming blu-rays. Instead of looking sad and putting his arm around his buddy, he says, "Oh no! My rancor is dead. I am sad now. I am beginning to cry. I am also angry. Noooooo!" Really gives us insight into what the character is thinking, and it rhymes poetically with the prequels. Brilliant.
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
bkev said:
generalfrevious
They're cheap, that's why. LFL is not a film company anymore, it's a corrupt multinational corporation that puts profit ahead of everything else. It's ironic because GL is a liberal who wrote SW as a rebellion against the "system."
As someone pointed out earlier, if George was trying to make a profit out of these changes, he would put more marketing into it. Unless the leak was INTENTIONAL and they did this to stir up interest...
Also, Mielr, that's a very astute point. Those probably are effects intended for the 3D release. That explains the doodads, at least.
edit: more Katie Lucas drama. ""There is a special place in Hell for haters next to the one for child molesters and people who talk obnoxiously in the theatre"
See you in hell, I guess?
Where were you in '77?
So this is what happens when my Rancor dies...thunderous applause!
TV's Frink said:
I LOL'd. Can't wait to see this. I would pay $100 for TRM before I would buy the abortion that George is releasing.
reave said:
TV's Frink said:
I LOL'd. Can't wait to see this. I would pay $100 for TRM before I would buy the abortion that George is releasing.
Watching the votes on the video has been fascinating. Right now it's 6 up and 5 down, and I'm thinking, "who the hell here would be so bothered by this that they would vote it down?" And then I checked the blu-ray.com forum, and I find out that georgec has reposted the clip there (in all fairness, because he liked it).
The funny thing is, I bet people over there think I'm a PT hater...and that's not even close to the truth.
TV's Frink said:
Watching the votes on the video has been fascinating. Right now it's 6 up and 5 down, and I'm thinking, "who the hell here would be so bothered by this that they would vote it down?" And then I checked the blu-ray.com forum, and I find out that georgec has reposted the clip there (in all fairness, because he liked it).
The funny thing is, I bet people over there think I'm a PT hater...and that's not even close to the truth.
Frink, you won the internet with that video. Sorry that I posted it in blu-ray.com without your permission. I can remove it if you'd like.
Before I posted it had 5 likes and 3 dislikes. I "liked" it. So maybe it ruffled a few feathers on the other forum.
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
georgec said:
TV's Frink said:
Watching the votes on the video has been fascinating. Right now it's 6 up and 5 down, and I'm thinking, "who the hell here would be so bothered by this that they would vote it down?" And then I checked the blu-ray.com forum, and I find out that georgec has reposted the clip there (in all fairness, because he liked it).
The funny thing is, I bet people over there think I'm a PT hater...and that's not even close to the truth.
Frink, you won the internet with that video. Sorry that I posted it in blu-ray.com without your permission. I can remove it if you'd like.
Before I posted it had 5 likes and 3 dislikes. I "liked" it. So maybe it ruffled a few feathers on the other forum.
Hell no, leave it up. I have no problem with the repost. I'm hoping to get some adywan-level hate in the comments. ;-)
EDIT: Wait, two people from here didn't like it? Just curious, are you defending Lucas with blind rage, or do you just not have a sense of humor? :p
I think one positive of this set is that it's officially setting the bar higher for fan editing. I for one, am hoping to see some really nice DTS-ES 6.1 fixes for the problem issues with this release. Really crossing my fingers someone will do a real color correction on these after they come out (Adywan you're our only hope?). Completely and absolutely ridiculous that average joes on their home PCs have to fix arguably the biggest Blu-Ray release in history. It's almost stunning that Lucasfilm would hold a big press event trumpeting the fact that they "listened to the fans" and corrected the technical glitches, when apparently 90% of them are still there. Realistically, I'm not a fan of the extensive changes but I could live with them, but for f%^%s sake PLEASE FIX THE G$%$^MN LIGHTSABERS!!
Good to know that Matthew Wood has Star Wars in his DNA and Krayt Dragon blood in his veins, though.
Funcha said:
Really crossing my fingers someone will do a real color correction on these after they come out (Adywan you're our only hope?).
No, Harmy or dark_jedi is another. Are another. something something grammar something.
Don't worry. There will be top men working on this.
Who?
Top. Men.
adywan said:
Bingowings said:
At the very least this is a mock-up of a possibility.
You see, that's the thing about these new additions. They look like mock-ups. They look like someone took a short while to do because they didn't need to be good. As if they were just an idea. They are not something you would expect from a company that are supposed to be one of the best special effects houses in the world.
I posted this (my first ever) review on Amazon:
(one star)
George Lucas continues to tinker with his films yet again. Adding even more out-of-place CGI to decades old films and making other unnessecary changes while failing to fix obvious technical flaws... And all of this while continuing to suppress (& allowing to rot away) the original versions of these historic films that started it all. If other classic and much older films like Metropolis and The Wizard of Oz can be restored; and films like Superman 2, Blade Runner, and Close Encounters can have multiple cuts released so veiwers can choose which version to watch, why can't Star Wars? It's time for Lucasfilm to restore & preserve the orginal films that changed history and became an instant legend. This has just gotten ridiculous.
If you'd like to know more about the various changes the films have been through, as well as the current state of things, check out savestarwars.com.
TV's Frink said:
Hell no, leave it up. I have no problem with the repost. I'm hoping to get some adywan-level hate in the comments. ;-)
Nope, so far you're just getting Adywan hate. lol. The usual small band of Blu-Ray.com knobs at it again. Pretty obvious its from there because the only times you see crap like that its the same type of comments and its always shortly after a video has been posted over there. And it's always the same "three eyes" mentioned in the comments too. F**king idiots. try to be anonymous yet they have posted the same crap over there, so it's obvious its them. You can bet 99% of the idiots that always post shit like this about me would shit themselves if they ever come face to face with me. It's so pathetic its laughable.
I suppose I shouldn't so disappointed about this news, however much it is a completely massive amount of bullsh*t on Lucas's part - Return of the Jedi has been dead to me for quite a while (many thanks to Uncle George for adding that retarded Jabba Palace musical number, that needless montage of the galaxy celebrating, and Hayden F****ing Christensen as Anakin's ghost....), so it's not like Lucas can screw up the movie any more than he already has for me personally.
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Regardless of this news, though, I'll still be keeping my pre-order for the BD set and I still have every intention on making new HD versions of my Prequel Edit trilogy once I get my hands on the BD set.