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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 206

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SilverWook said:

Gaffer Tape said:

Good Lord.  What is with this company's dogged insistence on sticking almost everything from the OT into a cramped little corner?

Luke Skywalker?  Who's that?

Oh, just some random bit part in, I don't know, maybe two films, was it?

I can't tell if Leia is happy or about to murder someone. And what the hell is up with the evil eyed Jawas? Did some of those undead dwarfs from the Phantasm movies get in this by mistake?

I can think of any film franchise in history that marginalizes the PROTAGONIST of the original film so much. And likewise I have never seen anyone so desperate to make people like shockingly awful films. 

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Mielr said:

Before you head to the comments to ask, yes, Greedo still shoots first in this version (although you may still see an original version of that scene in the set – hint, hint).

Am I crazy for hoping they may include all the OOT scenes as bonus deleted features? Someone slap me before I get out of control...:-/

SLAP!

You're welcome.

Don't feel bad. I had the same foolish hope for a few minutes too.

Having the original version of the Han and Greedo scene doesn't really help us anyway, since the scene can be "despecialized" by just removing new elements.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Gregorich from the Home Theater Forum notes that the discs are Region Free.

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none said:


Gregorich from the Home Theater Forum notes that the discs are Region Free.
Then why stagger the releases?

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doubleofive wrote: Then why stagger the releases?

There are tons of distribution issues which we can only guess at, each country having their own criteria. In the US (are the states the only one who get first day Clone Wars showings?) I think the premiere of Season 4 is the same day as the blu-s. But I can't remember what day that is.

 

For digitalfreaknyc and the discussion of the death of the creator of a work of copyright:

http://blog.cgpgrey.com/copyright-forever-less-one-day/

But, imagine for a moment, if copyright still worked as first intended.

*Spoiler*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In 2011 the whole of the original Star Wars trilogy – all of its artwork, its characters, its music – would have left copyright protection and been available to aspiring directors and writers to build upon and make their own versions of.

There would be a treasure trove of new Star Wars stories for fans to enjoy.

But as long as the current copyright laws remain as they are, no living person will ever get to tell a Darth Vader story, or a Harry Potter Story, or a Hobbit Story or any other story that matters to them, that the author or, when after their death, their company, disagrees with.

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If this was the case, think of how different this place would be.  We'd be debating which public scanning crew had the best print but maybe not the greatest scanning facility, should they be scanning the IBA print or the 70mm print, or the recently unearthed print which never got screened.  We'd be learning about the real world audio visual aspects of converting these films instead of relying on third hand opinions tainted by creator exhuberance.  We'd actually be able to compare and contrast original and SE prints, instead of abstract suppositions, and crappy bootlegs and recreations tainted by technological and memory lapses.  Another side would be pointing out how LFL needs some support or the deleted material would never see the light.  The fan edit crews would be lobbying for position from the public scanning crews.  Maybe even LFL would be contacting fan editors to give them advanced blu-ray copies so their versions would come out shortly after the official release.  Fan Film makers would be stepping up pointing out "hey we can offer you new stories!"

 

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LegendaryPOO said:

Surely with the few million it would take to remaster the theatrical versions

I don't even think it would cost that much. Especially EMPIRE and JEDI, both of which had a fraction of the theatrical run that the first movie did, and can be no more difficult than any other early 80s hit, like Firefox or Trading Places. As for Star Wars, maybe as a base we can look to Don May, who wants to do an ultimate blu-ray transfer of Night of the Living Dead and says he needs 350 thousand to do it.

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Also--Fox spent $20 million restoring and updating the films from 1993-1997. The films were very meticulously restored, by hand and also digitally. The only bit to do would be to wash the negative again (it's been handled since then) and do a 4K scan, and then retrieve the missing pieces from storage (or other print sources if they are damaged), clean them and splice them in. This accounts for, what, maybe eight minutes of material for ANH and five minutes for each of the following two films. How long do you think that would take? Just over a week maybe, plus all the release/home video prepwork. Cost maybe, I dunno, 300 grand or so per film?

Can't be that much more, the scanners are in-house at ILM and so is everything else, since 110/120 minutes of each film is already restored your main cost is the labour of the people actually putting those bits together. You'd have to pay a film librarian a day's wage to identify and retrieve the missing pieces (day 1), pay a supervisor to approve or select another source (day two), find and approve any alternate sources (day three), pay a lab technician to clean, scan, digitize and back up the negs and new pieces (day four), pay an editor and assistant editor to log it all and then edit together a new D.I. (day five), pay a colour correctionist to grade the D.I. under the supervisors approval along with select areas of digital repair while a sound mixer scans and masters the soundtracks (day six, seven, eight and nine maybe?) and bam, done. You overlap the film work so that you are constantly moving the work forward (i.e while ANH pieces are being scanned the film librarians are searching for ESB, so they can be scanned while ANH is in the D.I.) and within two weeks, you have a 4K restoration of the entire trilogy, probably not costing more than a few hundred thousand dollars. They could add a $2 tax to the tickets for the next Celebration and the fans themselves would have footed the bill.

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I wonder why there hasn't been any US advertising for this yet? Everyone I mention it to has not heard it was coming out...
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none said:

If this was the case, think of how different this place would be.  We'd be debating which public scanning crew had the best print but maybe not the greatest scanning facility, should they be scanning the IBA print or the 70mm print, or the recently unearthed print which never got screened.  We'd be learning about the real world audio visual aspects of converting these films instead of relying on third hand opinions tainted by creator exhuberance.  We'd actually be able to compare and contrast original and SE prints, instead of abstract suppositions, and crappy bootlegs and recreations tainted by technological and memory lapses.  Another side would be pointing out how LFL needs some support or the deleted material would never see the light.  The fan edit crews would be lobbying for position from the public scanning crews.  Maybe even LFL would be contacting fan editors to give them advanced blu-ray copies so their versions would come out shortly after the official release.  Fan Film makers would be stepping up pointing out "hey we can offer you new stories!"

Yeah, and try and paint such a picture to George or any copyright holder, and this would pretty much be their reaction:

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adywan said:

Has anyone noticed that they seem to have changed Nien Numb's voice slightly in the death star footage? Or is it just my sound system crapping out?

http://youtu.be/4fq4CH3I7SU

It sounds like it's through a voicebox with effects or something. The whole sound mix feels/sounds so wrong! The levels are totally different, and everything has been both scrubbed of detail/range and just shoved back into the timeline at an approximate guess!

And great, still mattes all over the TIE through cockpit shot.

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Also--Fox spent $20 million restoring and updating the films from 1993-1997. The films were very meticulously restored, by hand and also digitally. The only bit to do would be to wash the negative again (it's been handled since then) and do a 4K scan, and then retrieve the missing pieces from storage (or other print sources if they are damaged), clean them and splice them in. This accounts for, what, maybe eight minutes of material for ANH and five minutes for each of the following two films. How long do you think that would take? Just over a week maybe, plus all the release/home video prepwork. Cost maybe, I dunno, 300 grand or so per film?

They underwent the restoration at YCM labs and have the different color timing. The thing that gets me is the complaints people had of the softness in the image and how it didn't resemble the original films.

It should be simple to work from the restored films-as in those finished so that they could even do the added bits. If it came to it, they should simply scan those personal prints of George's. It would cost less, involve less people and time, and they could also sync the alternate mixes (70mm, mono) that they now have scanned digitally into their HDs.

Can't be that much more, the scanners are in-house at ILM and so is everything else, since 110/120 minutes of each film is already restored your main cost is the labour of the people actually putting those bits together. You'd have to pay a film librarian a day's wage to identify and retrieve the missing pieces (day 1), pay a supervisor to approve or select another source (day two), find and approve any alternate sources (day three), pay a lab technician to clean, scan, digitize and back up the negs and new pieces (day four), pay an editor and assistant editor to log it all and then edit together a new D.I. (day five), pay a colour correctionist to grade the D.I. under the supervisors approval along with select areas of digital repair while a sound mixer scans and masters the soundtracks (day six, seven, eight and nine maybe?) and bam, done. You overlap the film work so that you are constantly moving the work forward (i.e while ANH pieces are being scanned the film librarians are searching for ESB, so they can be scanned while ANH is in the D.I.) and within two weeks, you have a 4K restoration of the entire trilogy, probably not costing more than a few hundred thousand dollars. They could add a $2 tax to the tickets for the next Celebration and the fans themselves would have footed the bill.

It's just that no one wants to take the time to do it. It doesn't take much time or money at all. Even if they just scanned and released the 97s this release would be better all around. The materials exist to preserve the films. The restoration was already done (quality is somewhat questionable) and if further work is needed on those, it should not be very difficult.

It's just that the OT is viewed as the past, and only desired by a niche market. The dollar signs are not large enough. It doesn't matter that people would do the work for next to nothing. Most of us on here know more about the presentation of the films than anyone on the Blu production staff. (We should just petition them to let us freelance the work.) Ever since Robert Harris mentioned that he knew the OT existed in decent to good condition materials and could certainly be presented well instead of the LFL claimed "they don't exist/deteriorated/destroyed" there's been no validity to their argument. Now they hide behind the supposed cost instead of the personal vision.

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Is it just me, or does Analking look even more murderous standing here beside PT Yoda & Ben?

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captainsolo said:

It's just that the OT is viewed as the past, and only desired by a niche market. The dollar signs are not large enough.

And yet we have the broadly appealing new documentary THE SECRET LIFE OF EDITH WHARTON for the Young Indiana Jones dvd!

(kids excitedly perusing Young Indy box set extras on release day)

"Is it on there??"

"It is!"  (high five)

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1Shouta said:

Using MS Paint, I traced over characters introduced in the OT with blue, then I traced over characters introduced in the PT with green. 

(the ones I didn't trace over are ones I don't know)

Seriously, look how much green (PT characters) there are than blue (OT characters). Notice how they made Vader, R2, and 3P0 huge compared to the other characters just to try and make the OT seem a bit bigger. roflmao

An actual improvement?

I do believe that's Veers there amongst that sea of green. Or at least the love child of Veers and Pruneface.

I'm sure there's a wookieepedia page on that.

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So I've been following the comments on that Amazon review discussing the blu-rays and pointing out the things we've been talking about here. Here's one of their latest responses. Anyone care to head over and respond?

@ Tobes

Prove it. Prove to me that the "crushed blacks" are inherent to the actual transfer. I say this because edge-enhancement and boosting the contrast ratio was very popular in the dvd days. It gave the unknowing consumer the perception that the film was somehow more vibrant--it is the same effect that retailers do when they set their display tvs to "torch mode." Again, provide solid proof that the loss of detail was in the transfer themselves, because a couple of the screens I've seen point in the complete opposite direction.

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zombie84 said:

Also--Fox spent $20 million restoring and updating the films from 1993-1997. The films were very meticulously restored, by hand and also digitally. The only bit to do would be to wash the negative again (it's been handled since then) and do a 4K scan, and then retrieve the missing pieces from storage (or other print sources if they are damaged), clean them and splice them in...

I wouldn't go giving Lucasfilm the idea that they can use the restoration they did in the mid 90's as the basis for an OUT release.

They could clean up the excised material and reinsert it back into the print and we'd have the OUT but being who they are you just know they'd fuck it up and they'd be a cgi frog in the back ground or something.

Then where would be stand? Thanks for the release guys but can you release it again 'cause we found some cg still in there ;)

Of course I know what you mean and I'm only half serious but still, it's Lucasfilm...

 

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@ Tobes

Prove it. Prove to me that the "crushed blacks" are inherent to the actual transfer. I say this because edge-enhancement and boosting the contrast ratio was very popular in the dvd days. It gave the unknowing consumer the perception that the film was somehow more vibrant--it is the same effect that retailers do when they set their display tvs to "torch mode." Again, provide solid proof that the loss of detail was in the transfer themselves, because a couple of the screens I've seen point in the complete opposite direction.

I have stated before that I think this is entirely possible.  The transfer from film to digital may have been perfectly fine.... and the transfer from there to the subsequent steps may have been where things got messed up.  All that is immaterial, though... what matters is at what stage they use to start to build the blu-ray.

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If only we knew that the colour correction done prior to the files been sent to Lowry included the crushed blacks or if there was more work done after this process.

Slightly off topic, but i was really surprised the other day when i went into my local Currys store and they were playing ESB and the Clone Wars DVDs on their TVs. Now i know thats not surprising because they have the Star Wars promotion with 3P0 & R2 at the moment. What was surprising is this: i wasn't paying much attention to what was playing apart from that it was the scenes prior to them rescuing Luke. But i almost broke my neck because my head turned around so fast when i heard "Bring my shuttle". They were playing the GOUT and NOT the 2004 DVDs. Way to go Currys. :)

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Awesome!  I know if I was in that position, that's exactly what I would do.

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That story's fantastic, Adywan. It's good to know that some of the general populace prefers playing the theatrical version. After all, the GOUT has no crushed blacks or color issues...

Out of curiosity, Adywan, are you sure it is the GOUT; it would be unbelievable if someone dared to play Harmy's Despecialized, your Reconstruction, or DJ's V3.

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

That story's fantastic, Adywan. It's good to know that some of the general populace prefers playing the theatrical version. After all, the GOUT has no crushed blacks or color issues...

Out of curiosity, Adywan, are you sure it is the GOUT; it would be unbelievable if someone dared to play Harmy's Despecialized, your Reconstruction, or DJ's V3.

yeh, it was defiantly the GOUT they were playing.

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On a widescreen tv? Ewwww.

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adywan said:

If only we knew that the colour correction done prior to the files been sent to Lowry included the crushed blacks or if there was more work done after this process.

Slightly off topic, but i was really surprised the other day when i went into my local Currys store and they were playing ESB and the Clone Wars DVDs on their TVs. Now i know thats not surprising because they have the Star Wars promotion with 3P0 & R2 at the moment. What was surprising is this: i wasn't paying much attention to what was playing apart from that it was the scenes prior to them rescuing Luke. But i almost broke my neck because my head turned around so fast when i heard "Bring my shuttle". They were playing the GOUT and NOT the 2004 DVDs. Way to go Currys. :)

 on another forum http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/ there is a guy called VIDIOT who (with some other guys in his team) did the color correction back in 2004:
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6131636&postcount=80
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6134902&postcount=103
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6137678&postcount=110
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6866211&postcount=290
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6876767&postcount=295
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6880095&postcount=299

I suggest you read the posts above.

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All the news so far on the blu ray set of Star Wars has been great. I cannot wait to watch the Star Wars saga on blu ray. September 16 cannot come soon enough. So excited.

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^

Ken jacked georgec's account?

R2D2 said:

on another forum http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/ there is a guy called VIDIOT who (with some other guys in his team) did the color correction back in 2004:
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6131636&postcount=80
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6134902&postcount=103
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6137678&postcount=110
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6866211&postcount=290
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6876767&postcount=295
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6880095&postcount=299

I suggest you read the posts above.

That's very interesting, he was asked some good questions. Maybe he can be made aware of this site and post here.

He'd be an invaluable resource for restorations and he seemed very forthcoming.

 

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