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xhonzi said:

I get all of that too... but I think context should be carefully handled when rating a film.

Best for its time? Or best ever? I think, perhaps, we should have a list of most influential or most historically relevant, or best in its time movies apart from the "best ever" list. Yes, Kane was groundbreaking in its day and dared to take on Hearst in such a way that everyone involved in the project should have been committed. That's great. But also, at the end of the day, a film is a film and not the people who made it or the way or reasons that they did. 

Good points. The big problem is that stupid AFI list that they keep doing variants of. They're just done to increase recognition and get people to donate money. You can't rank films in such a way. That said, the only list as such of any real merit is the Sight & Sound poll done every 10 years. It's the best place to start to find a good list of some of the great masterworks.

In those terms, I think the notion that no one has made a better film than Citizen Kane in the past 70 years to be ridiculous.

No one has made a more energetic or more complete film. That's it's staying power. Probably the most "complete" film ever shot. The cinematic kitchen sink.

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But seriously folks, Tiny Toon Adventures: How I Spent My Vacation is definitely a 10/10.

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captainsolo said:



xhonzi said:

In those terms, I think the notion that no one has made a better film than Citizen Kane in the past 70 years to be ridiculous.


No one has made a more energetic or more complete film. That's it's staying power. Probably the most "complete" film ever shot. The cinematic kitchen sink.

What do you mean by "complete"? Because I, for one, feel that it is too short. I would like to see more of Kane's life. I feel like he gets old too fast and even so, we don't get to see more than a few moments from each phase of his life. I would love to see more of Xanadu, both the building of it and the completed structure.

And I can't say I follow you to 'energetic' either. If energetic were a category, I think the Fred film would have won something. Fred Movie Trailer

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bkev said:

But seriously folks, Tiny Toon Adventures: How I Spent My Vacation is definitely a 10/10.

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*head asplode*

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xhonzi said:


What do you mean by "complete"? Because I, for one, feel that it is too short. I would like to see more of Kane's life. I feel like he gets old too fast and even so, we don't get to see more than a few moments from each phase of his life. I would love to see more of Xanadu, both the building of it and the completed structure.

And I can't say I follow you to 'energetic' either. If energetic were a category, I think the Fred film would have won something. Fred Movie Trailer

 

By complete I mean that every aspect in both creative elements and production is absolutely spot on. There is not a wrong note anywhere, even down to the bad dubbing of Kane's butler. I could write out some critical theory onto how that was a dramatic stroke of genius, but I won't. ;) If there was more of Charlie's life depicted then he wouldn't be as much of an enigma, and the storyline would start to drag. Those giant leaps in time burned through every writing convention held.

The energy comes from it's boldness imo.

 

Okay...LMS is The Phantom Menace. The "hate prequel" thread made me do it!

As I've said before, it stands on its own as a movie. Coming back to it after several years and after RLM's lauded review (which is almost entirely correct.) it still works. In fact, I think on TPM George finally made the space adventure he wanted to because he was able to tie more things into the idea of a space opera. This is what began to creep into ROTJ and what made that film seem tired and anticlimactic.

And I've found that Jar-Jar never really bothered me. I can't explain it, but I don't hate the character or the stupid scenes meant for "humor". He works in the context of the space serial the movie is. In fact, I didn't really think about much of anything critical during the film-just found myself actually watching an adventure serial with a good soundmix and way too much CGI that sticks out like a sore thumb. Especially now, some 12 years on, it has become painfully obvious that the 97SE was just a trial run to see if the effects worked.

Only in TPM do any actors, dialogue or scenes carry something remotely like weight. The 35mm adds more life to the proceedings, especially when there is no computer enhancement. This can be laughed at, but the difference is clear. you don't need things flying around the background when two people are talking inside a house. Remember how we all hung onto every word coming from crazy old Ben in his hut? Nothing but simple dialogue and two people reacting off each other.

This humanity that began to seep away in ROTJ and is only so present in TPM is all but gone in Clones. By Sith it had been completely eradicated.

So, I enjoyed TPM for the most part, taking it for what it was. And I hate everything the Prequels stand for. I love paradoxes. The more I think about it though, I start to beat myself up for thinking this.

I did a slight jump by the time the end credits came. Somehow one always forgets this is supposed to be Star Wars.

BTW, this is all based on Ady's Theatrical cut without that awful coloring, stupid additions and edits. This is what I saw theatrically with that groundbreaking first 5.1EX soundtrack.

3 goddamn midichlorians out of 4 why the hell didn't they send more than just two Jedi back to Naboo when a war was supposed to be breaking out?

Oh...and balls.

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Fair Game - 8 Yellowcake Uranium out of 10

The Green Hornet - 7 Thirty-Six year old Secretary's out of 10

Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.

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Rise of the Planet of the Apes

MUCH better than I expected!  My Apes universe has shrunk from the first 4 movies (only that large because I always liked Conquest) to 2 - the original and this.

My only complaint is that I wanted to see the apes really take over, not just escape and fuck some shit up on the way out.

But the way Caesar got the other apes to join him was very, very well done.  It didn't feel forced or rushed at all, and beyond that, it really illustrated how intelligent Caesar is.

8 damn dirty apes out of 10.

Captain America: The First Avenger

Also better than I expected, but this one did feel rushed, particularly the middle section.  I hope that any post-Avengers sequels are set in the time period between Cap forming his team and ... SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ... Bucky's death (which also came far too quickly). SPOILERS OVER.

But Evans surprised me quite a bit with his performance.  I expected almost nothing from him after Fantastic 4.  And the effects work on shrinking him pre-serum was nothing short of stunning.

7 dead Nazis out of 10

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doubleofive said:

ChainsawAsh said:


And the effects work on shrinking him pre-serum was nothing short of stunning.
My mind was already blown, then I read that it was nothing like I thought it was:

http://www.fxguide.com/featured/case-study-how-to-make-a-captain-america-wimp/

Which blew my mind further.

Thanks for sharing that- OO5.... that was really interesting.

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"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

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Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Underworld: Rise of the Lycans - 7 Bill Nighy's out of 10

Underworld - 8 Micheal Sheen's out of 10

Underworld Evolution - 9 Kate Beckinsale's out of 10

Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.

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I saw Rise of the Planet of the Apes last night.  Loved it.  Brilliant film, incredible performance by Serkis, some of the best CG I've seen.

Not sure how the virus fits in with the original film, or if it's even supposed to, but liked it anyway.

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The Fall

Visually Breathtaking.

10 out of 10

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Monolithium said:

Underworld: Rise of the Lycans - 7 Bill Nighy's out of 10

Underworld - 8 Micheal Sheen's out of 10

Underworld Evolution - 9 Kate Beckinsale's out of 10

Really... I was really looking forward to Evolution, but then ultimately didn't care for it.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Cave of Forgotten Dreams

9/10

An astounding tour, directed by the esteemed Werner Herzog, of the 30,000-year-old paintings in Chauvet-Pont-d'Arc Cave in Southern France. Absolutely breath-taking, in the true sense of that word. The entire audience sat enraptured by Herzog's long takes of the paintings, the way he brought us into the cave with him and gave us every opportunity to explore and examine without needing to continually cut to talking heads to comment and contextualize like most documentaries do. 

A once-in-a-lifetime experience.

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The Game - 9 Interesting Michael Douglas Performance's out of 10

Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.

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greenpenguino said:

The Fall

Visually Breathtaking.

10 out of 10

One of my favorite movies.  I have no idea why I don't own it on Blu-Ray yet...

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ROTJ (theatrical version). I started to fall asleep near the end, so I fast-forwarded to the duel scenes and the Ewok celebration at the end. It's loads better than the SE versions, but still the weakest film in the OT. 6.9/10.
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Space Battleship Yamato (2010)

 

Just saw the live action film (with English subs). It was horrendous! 

I am someone who loved the cartoon as a kid. 

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Decided to begin watching Dune (2000 miniseries).  It's strange and glosses over so much from the novel so far, but what can you do  with such a complicated novel when converting it to a visual medium anyhow?  My wife likes it so far.

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darth_ender said:

Decided to begin watching Dune (2000 miniseries). It's strange and glosses over so much from the novel so far, but what can you do with such a complicated novel when converting it to a visual medium anyhow? My wife likes it so far.

I tried watching that years ago. I found it to be very sleep-inducing.

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FanFiltration said:

Space Battleship Yamato (2010)

 

Just saw the live action film (with English subs). It was horrendous! 

I am someone who loved the cartoon as a kid. 

Which was supposedly more inspired by New Galatica and JJ Trek than the space battleship yamato series of films and tv shows that are now a part of legend.  Though the new animated film was a letdown as well and bombed in japan.

 

I have yet to see either the new animated film which i do have on DVD, and i have not yet gotten the new film.  Of course neither has a USA release with subtitles.  ENgrish subtitles even on the official import copies hardly counts in my honest opinion.

The new movie not sure it can be called a film was the first two seasons of the cartoon compressed into one film with changes made to the characters.

Which has the effect of being even more compressed than the first animated movie which was the warp speed version of season 1.

The new movie instead of being a planned trilogy like Disney had an idea for that was scrapped for starblazers and the USS Arizona.

Supposedly after the success in japan of the low budget Yamato live action there is supposed to be a Hollywood version in the planning, no word on if its Yamato Americanized or Starblazers.  Either way if not for a soaring classical score and big special effects, it will most likely ruin peoples memories.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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The Children Of Dune miniseries is much better (it covers the next two books so doesn't have comparison with the Lynch film hanging over it as a second sword of Damocles).

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The Shadow (1994)

7 shadowy masked balls out of 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. Gaffer should totally review this movie, and compare the different incarnations of 'The Shadow' to each other. (From the 1940s serials and comics to the 1994 movie.)

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