Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 195

generalfrevious said:

The originals are not there! That should cause people to march on the streets.

No other  video release is sold like this, in which the ONLY thing that matters is not EVEN there. This should not even be sold as SW, but people will inevitably ignore it. What a shame. It is LIKE someone watching a brutal murder, and saying or doing nothing to stop it.

And don't trust these initial reviews.

That they are calling it the complete saga without the inclusion of the originals is ludicrous beyond comprehension, the films that made the star wars legend.

They should slap Lucas original vision 4.0 on the box and call it a day, i won't be a bit surprised if the copyright dates are 1977, 1980 and 1983 again as to dupe people since the special edition title had been dropped and no mention of them being 2004 new cuts, so why would they then now put a 2011 updated copyright when that would draw attention to the lie that  it is marketed as the  original trilogy.

Deceptive and immoral marketing practices, joe public will be confused into thinking these are the real versions of the movies which is what Lucas intends, the erasure of the oot from historical record, impossible to do completely. but not that he has not tried.

I know it has been discussed before, but what do you guys think the status of the OOT would be after he...well, dies? Unless he states in a will (maybe he already has) that they are never to be released, it could happen.

I think, for instance, of the 2001 anime "Metropolis", which was made despite Tezuka stating that it was never to be made into a movie. After he died, they went against his wishes. (I'm happy they did, but it is a weird situation)  People could do that with regards to restoring the OOT unless it was made illegal for them to do so or something like that, yes/no?

Q:  Was there anything else that you had to make up or add in?

A:  Occasionally in New Hope, there were things that could not be completely found, a few very subtle things like a footstep here and there or some background noise that we would just re-perform or get an approximate sound.  And of course, every time we watched the movies, George would find something that he wanted to change, so there were changes to the films visually as well as audio-wise, so there are some changes in the Blu-ray version that you guys will find!  It was funny, because we’d meticulously put it all together, “here’s what it was!” and then he’ll update it.

There is so much sad in that one response :(

Q:  Was there any thought given to archiving previous tracks like the 6-track master from the 70mm prints or the 78 mono remix?  Any thought given to putting them on the Blu-ray?

A:  Yes, we have those and they’ve all been digitized.  I don’t know if they considered putting those on the Blu-ray.  That might be more of a question for Marketing, it may be an issue of space.  It’s funny because I play those other audio tracks, like the scene when R2 and C3PO have been left on Tatooine and they walk through the canyon.  I just love that on the current mix, you can actually hear the quiet, when R2 is lonely, going through the canyon.  I played the original mix and it’s FULL of hiss and totally brittle, so it’s fun now to hear it like George wanted it to really be, what was intended.

A question for marketing, really? You can't put the original fucking mixes on these discs because either the sound will drop out for scenes at a time or go severely out of sync because the original cuts of the film are not there to go with them.

It would be interesting if someone were to set up a website dedicated to collecting money to be used for the restoration of the unaltered original trilogy and present Lucas with the cash when the funds met the correct amount.  If he didn't accept it then I believe we would know for sure that all hope is lost. At least in our lifetimes.  I wish there was a way to reach the man and have him understand what he's done.  I'm sure his perspective on the films is totally different than ours.  He is probably tired of hearing about them and would rather be a father to his children at his age. He probably just enjoys them as a source of income for his family now.  I'm just brainstorming about the situation here.  I know Robert Harris offered to restore them for free and was never contacted by LFL.  If a worldwide collaboration of fans offered the means to do it, it would definitely make a profound statement about what the fans want. It might even just simply shame them into doing it.

Random thoughts from a desperate fan lol.

If Fox owned the rights as a corporation out to make profits you know they would put out awesome restored versions of the oot, sadly Lucas retains all the rights.

If Lucas was as good a businessman as he is reported to be he would see the demand for the oot, or at least as a man on a board dedicated to preservation of films he should just let his ego go.

It makes no logical sense, having the oot out there does not mean he cannot sale a new original vision version every few years.

Not only that putting the choice in the hands of the consumer is ultimately democratic and the American thing to do.

I thought about that Robert Harris offer you mentioned, but I couldn't remember his name. Found this thread about it: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Robert-Harris-Godfather-Restoration-WHY-cannot-lucas-restore-the-oot/topic/9364/

LFL could restore it and do a DVD/BD-on-demand sort of thing, just to shut us up. :p Other companies do it to get material out there without having to possibly lose money printing off too many of them. We'd have what we want and the average buy-anything-they-put-out fan could just keep buying whatever revised versions they release in stores.

^^Yeah, I know... :( (people have joked that it has something to do with his ex-wife)

Thank goodness for people like Harmy, dark_jedi and all the others who have preserved the originals so well. And once the BDs come out, I'm sure they'll take on that task yet again.

GL doesn't care for it. Criterion can license it and put it out for the selective OT fan and their own usual fanbase. They've gotten unbelievably efficient at scanning, repairing, processing, making extras, building the disc and releasing with great inventive packaging relatively quickly for a transfer process. They do things simply-even take the film soundtracks from the source and do light click removal in ProTools by hand. It's not difficult or that expensive LFL!

see you auntie said:

Q: Was there any thought given to archiving previous tracks like the 6-track master from the 70mm prints or the 78 mono remix? Any thought given to putting them on the Blu-ray?

A: Yes, we have those and they’ve all been digitized. I don’t know if they considered putting those on the Blu-ray. That might be more of a question for Marketing, it may be an issue of space. It’s funny because I play those other audio tracks, like the scene when R2 and C3PO have been left on Tatooine and they walk through the canyon. I just love that on the current mix, you can actually hear the quiet, when R2 is lonely, going through the canyon. I played the original mix and it’s FULL of hiss and totally brittle, so it’s fun now to hear it like George wanted it to really be, what was intended.

A question for marketing, really? You can't put the original fucking mixes on these discs because either the sound will drop out for scenes at a time or go severely out of sync because the original cuts of the film are not there to go with them.

see you auntie said:

Q:  Was there any thought given to archiving previous tracks like the 6-track master from the 70mm prints or the 78 mono remix?  Any thought given to putting them on the Blu-ray?

A:  Yes, we have those and they’ve all been digitized.  I don’t know if they considered putting those on the Blu-ray.  That might be more of a question for Marketing, it may be an issue of space.  It’s funny because I play those other audio tracks, like the scene when R2 and C3PO have been left on Tatooine and they walk through the canyon.  I just love that on the current mix, you can actually hear the quiet, when R2 is lonely, going through the canyon.  I played the original mix and it’s FULL of hiss and totally brittle, so it’s fun now to hear it like George wanted it to really be, what was intended.

A question for marketing, really? You can't put the original fucking mixes on these discs because either the sound will drop out for scenes at a time or go severely out of sync because the original cuts of the film are not there to go with them.

Exactly, why even ask such a stupid question in the first place when they know the films aren't even included in the set.

Nice to hear that all the original tracks are digitized though, now you just have to do the same with the picture for all the films Lucas, it's not impossible, it's done all the time on other films except yours. 

Which original mix was "Full of hiss and totally brittle"? Nothing I've ever heard on the Laserdiscs fits that description.

rpvee said:

I don't think they're the same.

TV's Frink said:

Coov posted this on Bluray.com

tee-hee

I updated it a bit... :)

Does this Wood character think he's Hitchcock or something? :p

The Aluminum Falcon said:

R2D2 said:

An article from the DVD & Blu-Ray Review magazine, Issue september 2011, confirms that Matthew Wood has put his voice in the audio tracks of all 6 movies:

WHAT? His voice didn't originally exist in the movies, so much for restoration... I hope that sound mix does sound really good enough to make me forget he's in it.