Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes — Page 26

captainsolo said:

Why the hell did all the ESB Falcon cockpit scenes get cropped? It's like they thought "tighter means more intense". Kersh & co. framed the cockpit scenes tighter than the original film (which looks more like a mock up) so it looked less fake and more of a lived in environment but still kept plenty of room to have full view of everyone.

Yeah, "tigher, more intense" instead of "faster, more intense".

And you thought George Lucas had no variety in his directing style.

Hey doubleofive, I noticed that on this comparison here, you talked about the different scan lines in the strangling scene. In fact, the dot pattern (caused by vertical lines) showed up as early as the 1989 Mitsubishi Special Widescreen Edition pressing, prior to the 1993 Definitive Collection. You can see a screen shot of a transfer here. It's possible that the JSC just lacked some vertical scan lines... and it was always there.

EDIT: I just checked the theatrical Betamax bootleg and it too lacked vertical scan lines so it was the horizontal pattern. Has Puggo released screen shots of that particular scene?

msycamore said:

The dot pattern has been visible on video releases earlier than that, as early as 1985 on the US Pan & Scan LD for example.

Didn't know that. However, if it was always really there (since the LD you mention precedes the JSC), should the comparison be amended?

doubleofive said:

Just tell me what it should say and I'll change it.

RUMORS : List of possible Blu-Ray visual changes:

TPM

1. Digital Yoda replaces Frank Oz's puppet http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=30754 http://www.zonadvd.com/imagenes/previo/ep1_yoda_digital_bluray.jpg
2. General digital scan film recropping: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/314096/lucasfilm-on-star-wars-the-complete-saga-blu-ray-hands-on-report http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/3/3b/3b15c13c_ep1.r4.NEW.LRG.jpeg
3. Pod Announcer revised hands: http://www.starwars.com/news/saga_bluray_restoration/index.html
   Fode and Beed, the two-headed announcer of the Podrace, for instance, suffers an anatomical anomaly unique to digital characters. At one point, his hand intersects with his body. This was corrected frame-by-frame for the Blu-ray edition.

AotC

1. Dooku/Yoda fight scene extended
2. Kamino recolored: http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3951/kaminoi.jpg http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray-UPDATE-August-12-2011-CHANGES-TO-2004-TRANSFER-CONFIRMED-WITH-NEW-TRAILER/post/526546/#TopicPost526546 http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3951/kaminoi.jpg

RotS

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SW

1. http://www.starwars.com/news/saga_bluray_restoration/index.html Right before Han nails the last TIE fighter dogging his ship, his laser blasts zap into the empty spaces between the TIE's wings. But as the TIE flies toward camera, nearly a third of the frame has been left black and empty. "It has always been missing," says Huebler
2. R2 hides behind new rocks http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9888/r2newshots.jpg http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5779/r2norocks.jpg
3. Krayt dragon sound is same as Sounds of SW (yes I know not visual)
4. Han/Greedo revised. Han does not move? http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5184/millenniumfalconhanvsgr.jpg
5. The Death Star explosion's blue noise has been desaturated almost completely.
6. cropping of scene when Luke awakes from Tusken Raider attack maybe recropped (pulled back)
7. (audio) detention cell swap : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray-UPDATE-August-30-2011-No-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO/post/529274/#TopicPost529274
8. humdinger fixed
   

9. 01. Escape pod launcher lights now have heat trails over them, making them flicker.
   02. Escape pod hatch is no longer blue.
   03. More moisture vaporators added.
   04. Leia hologram now looks more blue and prequelish.
   05. Treadwell droid behind Uncle Owen while talking at the table (Was this there before?). [*edit* always there]
   06. Binary sunset still has the passing clouds added.
   07. The area beneath the Landspeeder actually looks GOOD.
   08. As pointed out by Adywan, there are now rocks in front of R2 in his hiding spot in the canyon.
   09. If you thought the DVD version of Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon roar was hideous, keep your thumb on the Mute button. That's right. It's WORSE now.
   10. The new CG rocks that covered R2 are magically gone after he comes out of hiding.
   11. 2004 detention center hallway still there and actually looks good.
   12. Obi-Wan/Vader duel on Death Star lightsaber blades are bright and more consistent, though Vader's is a bit pink in some of the shots.
   13. Millennium Falcon vs. Sentry TIE's, the shot that was revealed to us by LFL at the press event with the partial laser bolt IS FIXED in this MKV.
   14. Brass can now be heard during X-Wing dive to the Death Star.
   15. The glitch under Vader's TIE and his escorts after "Three marks at two-ten!" has been fixed.
   16. Energy wave sound from Death Star explosion sounds more balanced.
   17. Vader's breath sound can be heard when his TIE is spinning, but is very faint.

ESB

1. Wampa arm puppeteer pole removal: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/314096/lucasfilm-on-star-wars-the-complete-saga-blu-ray-hands-on-report http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/0/01/01224cf3_ep5_wampa.FIX.LRG.jpeg
2. Asteroid field garbage matte removal or deflector shields: http://d2np6futyd7kp6.cloudfront.net/images/600px/ep5/EP5_ILM_62.jpg
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http://millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=9032&start=250&sid=8af18e2d3fdd7c201fa5a554ee6bd8b2

Changes noticed:

01. Flames added to probe droid "crater."
02. Most of the blue tint on Hoth is gone. I said MOST.
03. Wampa arm is fixed, but not properly (See number 03 above).
04. When Obi-Wan appears to Luke, he can be seen better than before.
05. Snowspeeders look better against white snow than blue!
06. Garbage matte appears to be gone when the Rebel Transport and escort X-Wings leave Hoth.
07. Hamill's "The first transport is away" is still there.
08. SE 1997 Luke goes up the grappling hook under the Imperial Walker.
09. R2-D2's black panels in space are blue.
10. C-3PO still says "There's nowhere to go" after saying "Oh this is suicide."
11. On Dagobah, Luke still tells R2 "You were lucky to get out of there" instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good."
12. When Vader contacts the Emperor, it is still the altered 2004 version.
13. In the cave on Dagobah, the lightsaber blades are brilliantly colored red and blue and bright with white cores.
14. Boba Fett's voice is still the 2004 "Kiwi" accent from Temuera Morrison.
15. When Yoda raises the X-Wing, the model shot is still the 2004 version with an attempted shadow under the vehicle.
16. Inside the Falcon cockpit while approaching Cloud City is no longer zoomed in.
17. All Cloud City 1997 and 2004 changes are still there, and still look out of place.
18. Shadows still removed from Han's shirt as he goes into carbon freeze.
19. Vader's "Alert my Star Destroyer...." crap is still there, unchanged.
20. The Imperial Shuttle leaving Bespin is still there, and the sunlight can still be seen through it.
21. The "double" top hatch on the Falcon is still there.
22. The alternate take of Vader's arrival on the second Death Star in ROTJ is still used as his Star Destroyer.t

RotJ

1. Emperor Slugs removal / lightsaber recoloring: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/314096/lucasfilm-on-star-wars-the-complete-saga-blu-ray-hands-on-report http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/a/a8/a84b07f2_ep6r6_saber.FIX_LRG.jpeg
2. http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/oi-star-wars-20110825-1jb1v.html
   

   The scene at the Sarlacc Pit has been digitally altered to include changes to the Sarlacc and to Jabba's barge as well as slight changes to Jabba who is now digitally expressive.

3. Vader says 'Nooooo' (yes not visual just listing)
4. Jabba's door has an extended pan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoOsNnsfsk&feature=player_embedded
5. Dug added to Jabba's palace http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8223/sebulbaroj.jpg
6. Han carbonite thaw is new http://www.mediafire.com/?2avin81nxdec7g7 http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1803/swepisode6returnoftheje.jpg http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1803/swepisode6returnoftheje.jpg http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1803/swepisode6returnoftheje.jpg
7. Wicket blinks when meeting Leia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRejStaN3q4&feature=player_embedded
8. Wicket blinks before ewok steals speeder bike http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3286/vlcsnap00189.png
9. Baby ewok blinks http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7885/vlcsnap00190l.png
10. another baby ewok blink
11. When vader goes to inform palpatine about his son the overall brightness seem to reveal a brighten area that added to focus palpatine's face. http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray-UPDATE-August-30-2011-No-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO/post/529242/#TopicPost529242
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13. http://millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=9032&start=250&sid=8af18e2d3fdd7c201fa5a554ee6bd8b2

    Changes noticed:
    
    01. Static shot of droids approaching Jabba's palace door is now a wide pan with a huge door.
    02. "Jedi Rocks" is still there and unchanged.
    03. The Binary sunset still shows the suns setting.
    04. Han's carbonite "thaw" has been replaced with CGI.
    05. After Luke "Force chokes" the Gamorrean Guards, a prequel Dug walks across the floor where the residents are sleeping. It looks VERY fake, like it was "last minute."
    06. The fake shadows and artificial darkness are still present in the Rancor sequence.
    07. The plastic looking herd of Banthas is still there.
    08. The 1997 SE fake looking beak, tongue, and tentacles are still present on the Sarlacc.
    09. Luke's lightsaber blade is HUGE.
    10. The Falcon and Luke's X-Wing look good as they depart Tatooine. No transparency.
    11. No blue engine hue from the Falcon.
    12. Luke's X-Wing engines are red with a white core.
    13. When Obi-Wan appears to Luke on Dagobah in spirit form, his aura is white.
    14. Rebel briefing graphics unchanged, but the reds are darker.
    15. The Emperor's throne room is now a dull blue color. It is almost white now compared to the 2004 DVD blue.
    16. The greenery of Endor's forest looks vibrant and greener than ever, but actually in a good way.
    17. Wicket's blinking eyes.
    18. The fine hair of the Chewbacca costume can really be seen in HD.
    19. The first Wokling's eyes blink.
    20. The colors are really off in the throne room.
    21. The Emperor's "face slugs" are no longer visible.
    22. The shield generator energy arcs can no longer be seen through Ben Burtt, and the stuntman in the next shot can still plainly be seen.
    23. When R2-D2 malfunctions from the blaster shot, the sparks look like purple Force lightning instead of blue-white electrical colors.
    24. The only time the lightsaber blades look decent is when they are crossed in front of the Emperor's face. The rest of the time, the colors and
    brightness fluctuate like the 2004 DVD.
    25. The color settings of this file make the Emperor's Force lightning look like it's from a VHS copy. There's no sharpness to it, like a filter is over it.
    25. Vader's "NO's" have been added. The first sounds like it has been sloppily laid on top of the mix, the second is from ROTS.
    26. Vader's unmasking is STILL Sebastian Shaw. Don't believe the idiots that say it's Hayden Christensen. At least, not on THIS MKV it isn't.
    27. 1997 SE and 2004 version revisions, "Weesa free!", and Hayden Christensen still at the end.

General Other Links:

http://www.starwars.com/news/saga_bluray_restoration/index.html

"There is a lot of what ends up being 'invisible' fixes," agrees Huebler. "That's the goal: when it's invisible that you don't notice that something glitched or there was a mistake. That could be very challenging to get to, as each one has its own creative decisions."

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Hands-On-at-Lucasfilm-with-the-Star-Wars-Complete-Saga-Blu-ray.shtml

Dennis Muren said: "Garbage mattes, definitely. That really messed up the original VHSes of Star Wars. And everybody thought that it was that way when it came out in theaters, and of course it wasn't, just the transfer wasn't done quite right. So I'm all for getting it the way you saw it in the theater. As long as the original version is always available, then beyond that, you can do whatever you want."

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Star-Wars-Blu-ray-Up-Close-at-LucasFilm-Part-2-of-3/9427

Question: does this thread get into when things are redone. For instance ANH Jabba SE/2004 got redone and there's comments of TPM Jabba 1999/2011 getting work done.

The versions i've got have the subs burned in, english or german. So here's two, don't know why there is the color shift but this could be the differences between 2004 and 2011 masters. Maybe they made these changes back in 2007 when Wood says he was working on this new set. Pics taken between subs just before the 'fry poor Greedo' one.  (or I phucked up somewhere...)

glitter_ANH version (think this was Cinema 2005)

German 2007 HD

doubleofive wrote: Yeah, I might just have to start over again on those so I skip the frames with subtitles. Thanks!

Then you are going to have to choose a language, as the english and german subs in this case are a couple frames different.