Random Thoughts — Page 173

Bingowings said:

It is weird that people who keep pets could kill other animals based purely on personal preference.

Why? If I had dogs or cats infesting my house, eating holes in the packages in my pantry, and pooping in my silverware drawer, I'd take measures to kill them and/or keep them away.

If I invited a mouse into my home to keep as a pet, I'd take care of it and feed it just like I would a dog or a cat. Makes perfect sense, nothing weird about it. I don't think people not acting too kindly to unwelcome intruders that make pests of themselves by ruining your food and potentially spreading dangerous microorganisms, is anything close to weird.

Coyotes are dogs. At the current location life has swept me off to, I find myself in a position where every night coyotes threaten my morning breakfast of delicious fresh fried eggs. As a result, I keep a loaded gun beside my bed and a ear cocked and alert through the night. It would make sense for me to shoot the coyote, because he is a threat to me and the animals under my care and protection. Yet I wouldn't shoot one of the domestic dogs that run around the coop all the time. No personal preference about any of it.

It is no more "personal preference" than it would be personal preference for you to call the cops if someone broke into your home, when they are just another person like you and the other people that live in your household.

When I say it's weird, I hope I'm being read as saying it's weird to me.

Yes if you are overrun by hoards of creatures it sadly is necessary sometimes to take extreme measures (as I mentioned in my post I had to do this myself).

But a few spiders or a few mice, even a few rats?

Just pick them up and put them outside.

As for wild dogs (and I include foxes here) if a large fence and a well built enclosure for your hens isn't enough sure you have to defend yourself and your hens.

In the countryside it is regrettably necessary to cull some creatures and it's better that a well trained marksman do it than a bunch of idiots in costumes chase them to the point of exhaustion and rip them to pieces.

Chasing small creatures around and killing them unnecessarily while professing a love of chosen animals seems bizarre to me. 

I think you will find Anchorhead to be a new friend for your kindness to the bees.

LOL at cats and dogs eating C3PS's panties.

Bingowings said:

It is weird that people who keep pets could kill other animals based purely on personal preference.

you are just saying this stuff because you have targeted me and love to criticize and judge me.  

Bingowings said:

 

This is a mouse.

so what? I don't want it in my house, and neither do my parents.

No.

I'm giving my honest opinion.

If you don't want a mouse in your house what's wrong with putting it outside alive?

If you have hundreds of the things investing your house at the same time it makes sense to clear them in a humane fashion but killing a few for the sake of it is pointlessly cruel.

Like killing a neighbour's pet because it pooped on your lawn (though I understand that temptation).

RedFive said:  

I can't bring myself to kill even a small bug in the house (or anywhere else) without feeling really guilty about it. 

then I assume you are a vegetarian?   If you feel guilty about just killing a bug, I can only imagine how guilty you'd feel eating the meat off of a dead chicken, cow, or pig.     

RedFive said: 

I don't think I could squish a mouse. 

I don't go around squishing them,  we set traps and bait them with peanut butter.   They get killed in the traps.  I suppose I do feel a little guilty about it, but I think my parent and I have the right to say who and want can come into our house.   We never invited the mice.

RedFive said: 

But spiders... ack.  I try to leave them alone and go about my business,

what if it was one of the big poisonous kind?

Bingowings said:

But a few spiders or a few mice, even a few rats?

Just pick them up and put them outside.

Are you joking? A few mice or rats isn't a minor problem. Have you ever experienced mice or rat problems? This isn't a Disney cartoon, they don't just run up to you while they sing about your mean stepmother and let you pick them up. They're dirty, mean, and can be quite dangerous. I guess you can use humane traps, but once you dump them outside, they're likely to find their way back into your house again.

You can get traps that don't kill mice and you just drop them outside and you both get to continue with your life.

Mice don't understand the difference between a house and any other shelter, you couldn't invite them into your house if you wanted to because they don't understand your language.

Humans can deliberate between life and death, that's the difference.

When it gets to infestation levels a humane resolution regrettably has to be sort.

Living near a river and surrounded by the countryside we get a lot of wildlife entering our house, some of them (spiders, moths etc) stay until their lives are at risk (at which point I put them outside if I can) others like mice, rats, lizards, frogs etc are taken outside where they hopefully find a better home.

The starlings we couldn't move even if we wanted to because nesting birds are protected by law.

Once they moved out we repaired the damage and tried to secure the vents better but we couldn't touch them while they were there and wouldn't want to anyway.

Millions of spider babies chewing through the ceiling was a sadly a job for the professionals.

Bingowings said:

No.

I'm giving my honest opinion.

yeah sure.   Its funny how whenever you give me your honest opinion, its to judge and/or criticize me, and/or show how you're superior to me. 

Bingowings said:

If you don't want a mouse in your house what's wrong with putting it outside alive?

1. it might come back inside my house

2. it might go into a neighbors house.  I like my neighbors and don't mice invading their homes either.

3.  Mice maybe carrying deadly disease, it is risky to handle a live animal that could potentially be carrying a deadly disease.  

Bingowings said:

 but killing a few for the sake of it is pointlessly cruel.

that's right, I'm just a sick lowlife asswipe that loves to torture animals just I think it is fun.   Your Holiness, you are wasting your time with me.   I am not just talking about how I treat mice, I am talking about how I treat fellow forum members and how I think about politics and my religion and everything else about me.  I am such a lowly sack of shit.  I know am far too gone to be saved by your superior morality.   I am such an evil jerk.  There is no way even someone as great as yourself can save me.    Quit wasting your time and go on to save someone else much more worthy of your great help and advice.   But I do thank you for trying.   And I now I am going to make it easy for you to stop wasting your time.  I am going back to ignoring you. 

RedFive said:

Why so touchy, Warb?  He didn't attack you personally at all.  

because he always comes after me and judges and criticizes me.   This isn't about him being against the killing of mice, this is about him loving to attack me.   He loves to show how superior he is to me.  He's had a long history of judging me and criticizing me for every little thing.  I'd tired of it and have had enough of him.   If I thought I could do it, I'd try to get him banned.

RedFive said:

 And for the record I also think it's strange.  That's not a comment on you - a lot of people are like that.  I just have more critter-empathy than some.

you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.   I believe it is your honest opinion and not some convenient excusing to judge and criticize me. 

My attitudes towards animals were on record before they were recently raised.

RedFive said:

First of all, I love eating meat, and I don't feel bad about it.  I try to buy local as much as possible to ease my conscious.  But eating meat for sustenance is different than killing a mouse cause he got in your house.

killing is killing.   why take part in killing cows, pigs, and chickens, when you could eat carrots, potatoes, green beans, etc .  . .? 

RedFive said:

Second of all, poisonous spiders don't live in Northwest Ohio, but if I did see one I would smash the fuck out of it.  But killing for self-protection is different than killing a mouse cause he got in your house.

Those are both weak analogies.

I wasn't trying to use the spider thing as justification for killing mice.  It was just that you said you wouldn't kill spiders and I just wondered what you would do if it were one of the real dangerous ones.

RedFive said:

Thirdly, however you want to deal with your critter problem is totally up to you, and it doesn't really bother me at all, all I'm saying is that this is how I choose to deal with mine. 

no problem.

RedFive said:

But lastly, and mostly, this isn't the politics thread, and this is the reason I ignore it.

I never though of the subject of how one deals with a mice problem in ones house, as a political issue.

btw, I challenge anyone who doesn't want to kill insects to come down to Ocean City NJ when there is a land breeze, to not kill the green head flies that love to attack and bite the hell out of your legs.

Ripplin said:

It would be nice if more dirty laundry could be aired via PM...

1. there is not going to be anymore dirty laundry aired between me and bingo in public or in PM, I am going to ignore him and will not respond to him again.

2. sorry for doing it publicly, but when someone criticizes me in public, I tend to want to defend myself in public. 

3. I honestly had no idea that talking about my mouse problem would result in this.

This thread is now about ANYTHING EXCEPT MICE, RATS, AND BUGS.

Thank you.