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TV's Frink said:  I hated Sandman. 

Sandman?  what are you talking about?  Sandman isn't in Begins or Dark Knight, he is a marvel character.  Or is Sandman the last name of actor that I don't know about that appeared in either Begins or Dark Knight?  please explain. 

TV's Frink said:

I hated that Gordon becomes an action star. 

huh?  he didn't have that many action scenes.    I hardly think you can say that the part of Gordan in the Nolan films, is that of an action star. 

TV's Frink said:

I hated Mrs. Tom Cruise. 

Katie Holmes didn't appear to be bad to me. 

TV's Frink said:

I thought Ledger was overrated. 

wow.  I couldn't disagree with you more here.

TV's Frink said:

I'm not really a Batman fan to begin with - more of a Burton fan, I guess.

is Burton the name of a Superhero comic book character that I don't know about?   If you are referring to the director, it seems pretty strange to me to compare a Superhero comic book character to a real life director.   

TV's Frink said:

Enough?

not really, I mean you are entitled to your opinions, but  I really don't understand your complaints all that well. 

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He's not big into Batman in general, and liked Burton's movies because they were Tim Burton movies.  Why do you have to take such issue with that?

Also, pretty sure "Sandman" was supposed to be "Scarecrow."

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ChainsawAsh said:

Also, pretty sure "Sandman" was supposed to be "Scarecrow."

Told you I wasn't that into Batman :p

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Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

I hated that Gordon becomes an action star. 

huh?  he didn't have that many action scenes.    I hardly think you can say that the part of Gordan in the Nolan films, is that of an action star. 

Who is Gordan?  Is he a Marvel figure? ;-)

Seriously, I don't remember Gordon having ANY action scenes in either the 60's show or the Burton films - and those are my frames of reference.

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ChainsawAsh said:

 Why do you have to take such issue with that?

I wouldn't call it taking issue with it.   I just disagree with him and was not understanding the reasons he gave.    As I said, he is entitled to his opinions.

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Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

 Why do you have to take such issue with that?

I wouldn't call it taking issue with it.   I just disagree with him and was not understanding the reasons he gave.    As I said, he is entitled to his opinions.

*sigh*

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TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

I hated that Gordon becomes an action star. 

huh?  he didn't have that many action scenes.    I hardly think you can say that the part of Gordan in the Nolan films, is that of an action star. 

Who is Gordan?  Is he a Marvel figure? ;-)

oh, wiseguy eh? *smacks Frink*

TV's Frink said:

Seriously, I don't remember Gordon having ANY action scenes in either the 60's show or the Burton films - and those are my frames of reference.

The comic books would be a better frame of reference for you to use.   I am sure Nolan did not base his movies on the '60s tv series and movie, or the Burton Batman movies.

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Gordon is pretty active in the Animated Series.

My favorite has to be Mask of the Phantasm, because it's set in the cartoon universe. This choice, however, is not out of nostalgia; I hadn't seen this one until about 3 or 4 years ago. I think it truly nailed Batman, even if it had a bit of a hokey origin story. The plot shows that the authorities aren't always buddy-buddy with the police; in contrast, in The Dark Knight, it was that way because Batsy wanted it. Also, I know it's cliche, but Kevin Conroy as far as I'm concerned truly has the Bats voice down: commanding and awe-inspiring. Much better than the grunts of Bale.

If I had to pick live-action, I don't think I could. I think the Burton movies really had a better feel for how dark and slimy Gotham is supposed to be than the Nolanverse, and I really love the Batcave's design, but I can't deny the great things in Begins/Dark Knight either.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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bkev said: The plot shows that the public isn't always buddy-buddy with the police; in contrast, in The Dark Knight, it was that way because Batsy wanted it.

huh?  I don't understand, are you say that in Dark Knight,  Batman didn't want the public to be buddy-buddy with the police?   I never got that idea from watching the movie.

bkev said:

Also, I know it's cliche, but Kevin Conroy as far as I'm concerned truly has the Bats voice down: commanding and awe-inspiring. Much better than the grunts of Bale.

I wasn't thinking about Kevin Conroy, but now that you mention him,  I have to agree with you.

bkev said:

If I had to pick live-action, I don't think I could. I think the Burton movies really had a better feel for how dark and slimy Gotham is supposed to be than the Nolanverse,

I like how Burton depicted Gotham in Batman(1989), but I think he went overboard in Batman Returns. 

 

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Warbler said:


huh?  I don't understand, are you say that in Dark Knight,  Batman didn't want the public to be buddy-buddy with the police?   I never got that idea from watching the movie.

I've only seen the movie once, but from what I understood in the ending Bats told Gordon he needed to be viewed as a menace and not a hero so that Harvey Dent could be remembered not as two-face but as the DA. So, Gordon was going to tread him as a vigilante in press statements etc. and not publicly support him; rather, the opposite. I thought Gordon was supposed to treat Batman like a criminal from then on out.

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bkev said:

Warbler said:


huh?  I don't understand, are you say that in Dark Knight,  Batman didn't want the public to be buddy-buddy with the police?   I never got that idea from watching the movie.

I've only seen the movie once, but from what I understood in the ending Bats told Gordon he needed to be viewed as a menace and not a hero so that Harvey Dent could be remembered not as two-face but as the DA. So, Gordon was going to tread him as a vigilante in press statements etc. and not publicly support him; rather, the opposite. I thought Gordon was supposed to treat Batman like a criminal from then on out.

 How could you not understand. Batman was the hero. Not the hero we want to need, but the hero we need to want. And he's the hero that we deserve to have, but not the hero we have to deserve. Don't you see lil' Jimmy Jr? That's why Batman is running away at the end. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain, or hero along until you villain enough to die.

It all made perfect sense!

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When the Joker reappeard from the underground city again, and said, "when you don't reveal your personal name each day, I kill a citizen here, BATMAN!!", Batman paused the video and asked MCaine "what is your judgment, do you thin he will striken?", his true butler said "some people will just make the world burn!", so Batman waited.
His waitence was of great repercussions, beause Joker made true of his announcment claim, and KILL a chub in Batcostume! He maded him hang from the building where he was.

Than Batman said "ENOUGH, this new clown won't no longer be tolerated, he wants the world burn!", and faced his due duty to bury his victim but it said "NEXT WILL BE MAYER OF THIS CITY!!", so he went faster again but the parade had already started, and Gordon was there too!
So Batman want above to the building and asked the naked men who were at a pillar, "WHERE IS JOKER?! He's going to ASSASSINATE the president!!" and they said "he took our clothes, he know looks like one of us!" so Batman went down again to look for cops, as they might be a Joker among one of them...

but it wasn't to be, as it was in that intense moment where he ran and ran but everything seemed like it was in slow motion around him because the moment was so important, and he heard a SHOT, but OffiSAR Gordan reacted and threw himself up on the mayor so the mayor lived but GORDAN WAS DEAD!!
Oh no, had Batman to tell his wife and family the sad news (although his wife had earlier sent her son to his room so he'd had to deal with it later when he grew up and understood).

THIS IS TOO MUCH, said Batman, now I have to tell them all my person, so Gordon might not have died without a purpose, so he went on TV but District Attorney Harvey Dent, who'd later become Two-Face, said "No, IM THE BATMAN, arrest me!" and the mob couldn't believe it, but it was true.

So the police (who were now dressed again) took him in a car and Harvey already thought "what am I going to do with all those bad criminals I put in prison?", but it was all a trick so they could get the Joker!
And Batman, who knew all along, drove his Batmobile real fast so he could take out Joker fast enough as he had a Bazookha, but Joker said "Kill me, KILL ME, and prove that you're as crazed maniac as I am!" so Batman thought "no, I shouldn't do that, that's against the rules, my rules", and smashed into the pavement, passing out.

But as Joker was to triumph, he gotted arrest because GORDAN WAS ALIVE!!!

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Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Seriously, I don't remember Gordon having ANY action scenes in either the 60's show or the Burton films - and those are my frames of reference.

The comic books would be a better frame of reference for you to use.   I am sure Nolan did not base his movies on the '60s tv series and movie, or the Burton Batman movies.

But this is my whole point.  I don't care about the comics.  I enjoyed the silly camp of the TV show, and enjoyed the Burton-ness of the Burton movies.  In those two properties, Gordon wasn't an action hero.  So that's how I think of him.

"A better frame of reference for you to use" has no bearing on my enjoyment or lack thereof.

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Gordon is the supposed to be the stereotypical good cop in a bad world. A cop with a code of ethics that date back to a simpler time. His action scenes would only require a .38 and a fist. Also the guy with an office bottle.

That never happens. We get the hysterically inept 60's version, Burton's hatted Commissioner, and Gary Oldman being a tired exasperated cop.

What needs to be done is an episodic Batman film. TAS nailed the idea with their 25-30 minute episodes which resemble the flow of a comic.

There was a Batman before the graphic novel people.

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YES! Can't believe I didn't notice that earlier. The most detailed in both characters but allowed to do little with it.

VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
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What do people think of the fact that their is an animated film coming out based on Year One, so far based on the trailer i don't really like it.

Its not Noir-ish like the comic.

Supposedly they are also going to do dark knight returns as a 2 parter, or they plan to do so.

Then again i cannot see any one else doing the animated voice of bats, then Conroy, although Greenfield did a decent job.

Nobody else is even close to Hamill as the Joker, imho.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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My only problem so far with Year One's animated adaptation is that Conroy sadly will not be playing the part of Batman. Won't deter me from at least checking it out... I hope he gets to play old Bats in Dark Knight Returns, though; Return of the Joker convinced me no one else can play old Batman.

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Agreed B'kev as long as Hamill is the Joker.

But he claimed that Arkham videogame was his last time as the Joker, until there was a sequel.

Highly doubtful he would come out of retirement from the Joker persona a second time.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Warbler said:


Val Kilmer's the worst.


I must respectful disagree - to the EXTREME.

 

ok, who is your opinion was the worst?

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TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Seriously, I don't remember Gordon having ANY action scenes in either the 60's show or the Burton films - and those are my frames of reference.

The comic books would be a better frame of reference for you to use.   I am sure Nolan did not base his movies on the '60s tv series and movie, or the Burton Batman movies.

But this is my whole point.  I don't care about the comics. 

many others do care, and the character originated from the comics. 

TV's Frink said:

I enjoyed the silly camp of the TV show, and enjoyed the Burton-ness of the Burton movies.  In those two properties, Gordon wasn't an action hero.  So that's how I think of him.

But Nolan didn't base it on those two things.   He based his movies on the comic books. 

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"A better frame of reference for you to use" has no bearing on my enjoyment or lack thereof.

it still makes sense to consider the comics, instead of just comparing Nolan's films to the '60 Batman, and the Burton films.

'60 Batman is not Batman

Burton films is not Batman

comic book Batman IS Batman.   That is where the character came from.  Everything else is based on that.

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Warbler said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Warbler said:


Val Kilmer's the worst.


I must respectful disagree - to the EXTREME.

 

ok, who is your opinion was the worst?

Clowney, err i mean Clooney.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Warbler said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Warbler said:


Val Kilmer's the worst.


I must respectful disagree - to the EXTREME.

 

ok, who is your opinion was the worst?

Clowney, err i mean Clooney.

I can respect that choice.  Clooney was indeed terrible.    But I am still curious as to what DuracellEnergizer thinks.

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Warbler said:
many others do care, and the character originated from the comics. 


Warbler said:
comic book Batman IS Batman.   That is where the character came from.  Everything else is based on that.


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Frankly regardless of your opinion of the Adam West tv show I think every Batman fan today owes it respect. Why? Because without it the Batman comics would've been cancelled in the 60s!!! So, no "killing joke", no Burton films, no Nolan films, no animated series. NONE of that without Adam West tv show!!!!

http://www.tv.com/batman-1966/show/713/summary.html

Batman creator, Bob Kane, noted that this series saved the Batman comic series from cancellation when the show revived the character's popularity. Despite this, most comic fans despised this series for stereotyping superheroes and comics as campy nonsense. Furthermore, soon after the show was canceled, the character's comic series took on a dark and deadly serious tone that was reminiscent of the original comics in the late 1930's as a reaction to the TV show's light touch.




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Warbler said:

blah blah blah

Warb, stop it.

You're trying to argue with someone who doesn't care.  I don't care what Nolan based his movies on.  I don't care what the comics say.  I have no interest in them.  I have chosen how I enjoy or do not enjoy Batman films, and nothing you say will make a difference in that regard.

Seriously, let it go.