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CNN Headline news is playing a bit on Star Wars called "High-Tech Tweak for Star Wars Trilogy", with George Lucas discussing ILM, and the re-release of the original trilogy on DVD updating old scenes using today's technology but noted "some purists though have cried foul wanting to keep the films as is".

"In terms of changing the film, yeah there was a certain amount of controversy on that but, you know I'm not the first artist to go back and work on something. So I've gotten myself into a position where I can go back and spend the money to fix things and make them be the way I wanted them to be originally." -Lucas, CNN Headline News

I guess Lucas originally wanted Greedo to shoot first.

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funny how all other artists who have revisited work have made the original available... or damn close to it...
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
funny how all other artists who have revisited work have made the original available... or damn close to it...


I have another page with a long list of movies without the original versions availble on DVD. Even Tolkien himself is gulty of this. After he wrote Lord of the Rings he went back and changed The Hobbit to fit The Lord of the Rings and never printed the original Hobbit again. How is this different?
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because he didnt make a huge dance number in the mines of moria and gandalf didnt scream when he fell did he???

and that list of movies was hardly feasible...
some of the changes were like 1 minute of footage added hear... mic digitally taken out of the picture...

those arent comparable to the changes made in the SE
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Another difference: If you read the intro to LOTR, the author goes through in some detail the changes he made, when and why. GL tries to pretend that he never made any changes, that the movies were like that all along.
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Actually what GL did would be like Tolkein coming back and saying, "Well, I rewrote that whole scene where Gandolf hits the steward of Gondor with his staff so that the steward attacks Gandolf first, and Gandolf defends himself; That's what I wanted to write originally, but I didn't have enough ink in my typewriter..."
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Your arguements are pretty pitiful. Tolkin rerote it to blend with his new Trilogy. Just like Lucas is changing the originals to fit with the prequals. If you really think about and are serious with yourself you will relize its the same damn thing.
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So, Greedo shooting first makes it blend to the original?
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JImbo, if you think my arguements are pitiful, you should take a good look at yourself. You carry on day after day with the same old crap we have all heard from you a million times and continue to believe that your POV is the only one that can be correct, despite the fact that nearly everyone disagrees with you. There is no point reasoning with you, so like many others have decided to do I am simply going to ignore everything you say in future; you're not worth the effort.
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So, Greedo shooting first makes it blend to the original?


dammit!
i was going to say that!
lol
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Tolkien was a perfectionist, and his alterations mainly fixed mistakes that readers caught, etc. Think of his corrections as something like the editions of textbooks; it's always fairly clear that you're reading the fourth or fifth or sixth edition. And Samatar's right, Tolkien made the reader fully aware that he made changes, while Lucas just wants us to think that he intended the Special Editions all along.
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Your arguements are pretty pitiful. Tolkin rerote it to blend with his new Trilogy. Just like Lucas is changing the originals to fit with the prequals. If you really think about and are serious with yourself you will relize its the same damn thing.


Tolkin?
rerote??
prequals???
relize????

theres no way you could have read those changes yourself... judging by the following....
stop looking for arguments on the internet and make some up by yourself..
lol
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Originally posted by: Galahad_Skywalker
Tolkien was a perfectionist, and his alterations mainly fixed mistakes that readers caught, etc. Think of his corrections as something like the editions of textbooks; it's always fairly clear that you're reading the fourth or fifth or sixth edition. And Samatar's right, Tolkien made the reader fully aware that he made changes, while Lucas just wants us to think that he intended the Special Editions all along.


Lucas did pretty much intend the Special Editions all along. Many of the Special Edition changes were originally attempted for the original version. Not all but most. Me I can symbothize. I have wrote many fan fics and read them over latter wishing I had done something different. Lucas feels the same way. So did Tolkien. Both are story tellers trying to write a great story.
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Did GL really intend the Special Editions all along? I know that's what he says today, and if I could find a vintage interview of him talking like he does today, I'd believe it, but the young GL and the GL of today seem to be two different people.
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jimbo,

In one way, I believe you are right.
Special Effects.

I'm sure Lucas didn't want to have to use the vasoline trick with the landspeeder, but he had to.
He wanted to have the dogfights look more intricate, but the technology wasn't there for him to do it.

But, some changes are not necessary.
The ROTJ ending.
The scream.
The shot.
The lead-in to Mos Eisley. (Dump the extra lead-in stuff, like the Ronto, but keep the changes to already existing scenes.)
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Whether you agree or disagree with the changes is irrelevent. An artist has the right to edit and replace his work. I kinda think it would be OK if Lucas released the originals for those who want em but if he doesn't want to I accept. I don't agree with every change either but that his directers vision.
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The problem isn't that Lucas is changing the movies, it's that he's attempting to remove the original versions completely, by making the Special Editions are the only versions available. He's denying the original versions their place in time and existence. He's trying to make it as if they never existed. He's trying to pretend that the Special Editions have always been around. If it were up to him, all the original versions would probably be destroyed and the Special Editions would be the only versions anybody's allowed to see.

He refuses to let the original versions have the treatment they deserve by only releasing the Special Editions. They really need to be released, so that in the future, film fans can see the original versions the way they were made. If they can only watch the Special Editions, they'll think that this was how Star Wars originally came out, that this was the original version. Without the originals, future generations will never be able to see how great, classic and (most importantly) extremely influential movies like Star Wars were created without the ease of CGI and modern day digital technology.

These movies need to be made available in their original versions, if only just for historical purposes.
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I kinda think it would be OK if Lucas released the originals for those who want em but if he doesn't want to I accept.


of course your gonna accept it... what the hell are you going to do?
Lucas doesnt give a shit what your opinion is... just like he doesnt care about ours. so really whatever Lucas gives you your gonna have to accept... so that statement you just made is totally irrelevant...

we'll see what your opinion is when he screws with the SE and u cant do anything about it.... lol
then your gonna have to find SE bootlegs... and guess what... i doubt anyone is gonna waste their time bootlegging that POS...
LMAO!!
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Originally posted by: Spyder X
The problem isn't that Lucas is changing the movies, it's that he's attempting to remove the original versions completely, by making the Special Editions are the only versions available. He's denying the original versions their place in time and existence. He's trying to make it as if they never existed. He's trying to pretend that the Special Editions have always been around. If it were up to him, all the original versions would probably be destroyed and the Special Editions would be the only versions anybody's allowed to see.

He refuses to let the original versions have the treatment they deserve by only releasing the Special Editions. They really need to be released, so that in the future, film fans can see the original versions the way they were made. If they can only watch the Special Editions, they'll think that this was how Star Wars originally came out, that this was the original version. Without the originals, future generations will never be able to see how great, classic and (most importantly) extremely influential movies like Star Wars were created without the ease of CGI and modern day digital technology.

These movies need to be made available in their original versions, if only just for historical purposes.


I repeat an artist has the right to modify and replace his work
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I repeat an artist has the right to modify and replace his work


Jimbo, ok, I agree with you, but the question is: did thouse changes IMPROVE the movie, or made it worse? I think most of us here agree that it made it worse.
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Of course he does, Jimbo. None of us are arguing that point. But there is a difference. If I continue to work on a painting that no one has seen for years and years and completely alter it, it doesn't make a difference because nobody but I have ever seen the thing. With Lucas, millions and millions of people have watched the original versions of his movies so they are part of the public consciousness. We are more than aware of their existence. In fact, many of us prefer them. So, he can change them all he wants, but he should keep copies of the originals out there for us as well. If I had ever displayed that painting of mine for people to see, I would feel obligated to keep copies of my original work out there before I alter it. It's just the decent thing to do for those people who made you the multibillionaire that you are (not that I am one... I can wish).
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Of course he does, Jimbo. None of us are arguing that point. But there is a difference. If I continue to work on a painting that no one has seen for years and years and completely alter it, it doesn't make a difference because nobody but I have ever seen the thing. With Lucas, millions and millions of people have watched the original versions of his movies so they are part of the public consciousness. We are more than aware of their existence. In fact, many of us prefer them. So, he can change them all he wants, but he should keep copies of the originals out there for us as well. If I had ever displayed that painting of mine for people to see, I would feel obligated to keep copies of my original work out there before I alter it. It's just the decent thing to do for those people who made you the multibillionaire that you are (not that I am one... I can wish).


Thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to say. Jimbo, it doesn't matter if an artist paints a painting or whatever and then goes back later and changes it. The problem is when that painting has been around for a long time and is considered a classic and has been extremely influential in the way that paintings are painted and is part of art history and then the artist goes back and makes a bunch of changes and refuses to keep copies of the original version. The painting, the original, influential, classic one, is no longer existing. It's been removed and it's place in art history has been taken away. This exactly what's happening to Star Wars.

Again, the problem is not that George Lucas wants to go back and change the movies, it's that he's taking the original versions, which are the classic, influential versions that are a big part of movie history and evolution, and gotten rid of them. He changed a lot of stuff around and then refused to let any more copies of the originals - which, again, are considered classics, had a huge influence on the way movies are made and are a big part of movie history and evolution - be made anymore. He's trying to rewrite history now by trying it to make it seem like the Special Editions are the only versions of Star Wars that ever existed. If the originals aren't ever made to the public again, future generations and film fans will think that this was how Star Wars was made, they'll never see the original, un-CGI'd versions and see how technology and effects have evolved since then.

As I said before, these movies need to be made available, even if just for historical purposes. There should really be a "film archive" or "film museum" or something like that, that would make sure that once a movie is released, that original version that's released is always going to be available so that even if the creator wants to change it, the original version won't be removed entirely from existence (and this should be especially for hugely influential and classic movies).
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i might as well just reply for jimbo...

Jimbo "I repeat an artist has the right to modify and replace his work"
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Hey, Luke, I guess you replied so well for Jimbo that he felt no need to respond further.
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