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Dark Knight Rises - Now that we know the cast — Page 7

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Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)

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Not really digging the goggles after seeing the promo shot... but costumes aren't everything. I have faith it'll be a good one.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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What I don't get is Batman is allowed to have bat ears etc but Catwoman isn't allowed to look even remotely cat like.

The Burton take on Catwoman outfit could fit perfectly into the Batman Begins universe as it's homemade out of a PVC coat (more than one if you wanted to be really realistic).

If she is going back to her roots as a 'cat burglar' it would make some sense that she would have hi-tech equipment but if they like that camp 'cat suit' they might as well put some ears on it.

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Woo! Some people in body armor and spandex! Fighting on a street! On a borrowed weird motorcycle! With goggles that lying around!

I couldn't care less about this one being good. In fact the more I think about it the more I know it will likely disappoint everyone. Whenever someone mounts a Batman adaptation they always leave some key element out. With the Nolan-verse it's the character's spirit and escapist element of being a vigilante that gets dropped along with the Gothic gloom.

And try as I do, I still can't see this as Batman. It's just a guy growling in some body armor. Then he sits around and "thinks/broods". Then the plot becomes overcomplicated twists and turns involving elements of the criminal underworld being manipulated by the arch villains and vice versa. This isn't freaking The Long Halloween or Hush people! And if you want to make a film more like the graphic novels, then don't reduce the story! It's like someone reads a bunch of long story arcs and then takes a few of the overall arcs and throws them in a blender. I swear if this one tries to toss in some ideas of Knightfall...

I do actually enjoy the first Superman film, and like some of the ideas in the second. I still need to see the Donner cut. Reeve makes for a great hero, but when I think of Supes, I think of the Fleischers. They just scream Superman. And they don't have any of the hokeniess that creeps in occasionally on the live action films. That said, I think the dialogue in the second half is what really makes the first film work. "Otisburg?" And that's Tom Mankewicz doing some fantastic script doctoring.

VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
“George didn’t think there was any future in dead Han toys.”-Harrison Ford
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ChainsawAsh said:

Wow, I'm actually getting nervous about the quality of TDKR.  I didn't think that would happen after the first two.  I'm getting Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand vibes...

I'm feeling the same thing.  I really like Begins, but didn't care too much for DK.  It got too busy and too light (day time, non-Gotham).  Batman has started to morph into Invincible Man instead of brooding vigilante.

 

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What happened to Batman wearing light materials that would tear under stress? To me that would be more interesting and realistic than a dude in body armor that happens to have pointy ears.......

 

With the Nolan-verse it's the character's spirit and escapist element of being a vigilante that gets dropped along with the Gothic gloom. And try as I do, I still can't see this as Batman. It's just a guy growling in some body armor. Then he sits around and "thinks/broods". Then the plot becomes overcomplicated twists and turns involving elements of the criminal underworld being manipulated by the arch villains and vice versa.

I agree with all of these points.  It's looking more and more like Begins will comprise the Nolan Batman for me.

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I'm rapidly losing interest in the Nolanverse, to be quite frank. His attempt to make Batman and his world more realistic is like spiking the punch with water.

Despite all the imperfections of the Burton films, they still capture the essence of what Batman is supposed to be for me.

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Really?

A B-List comedy actor living in an English mansion on the outskirts of a film set, who dresses up in a tyre to watch television in a sewer while A-List actors of yesteryear in Halloween masks shout quotable but contextually non-sensical monologues in-between gun shots, pop music and shoe-horned romantic interludes?

This by you is Batman?

Burton's Bat is like watching a clown shake a black rubber dildo in an Eighties disco.

;-D 

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The Keaton did not wear the rubberBat to view information that was for some reason always gathered by Alfred. The Keaton always wore either formal wear or the always fashionable turtleneck/blue jean combo. Well at least they kept the Prince songs out as much as possible.

Both Burton films gain some sort of new depth with each viewing. Odd, but even last night watching the first film I saw several elements of foreshadowing and connective plot touches that I hadn't before. But the Vicki Vale character is seriously underwritten.

Returns still destroys the first film in terms of story and design. The only thing it lacks is an enlarged city scape for the setting because one can always see how the sets became much smaller and re-used. (All from the move from England to LA production between films) But Batman+snow=genius.

Also, Bale cannot show any real thinking as Batman. He is the film version of the Bat blunt instrument. With The Keaton especially, you can see Batman mull things over, get angry, rationalize and all of this comes through minute facial twitches and grimaces and no dialogue. And Batman is supposed to be relatively quiet. (In the first film, The Keaton gets angry and frankly gets too into the work he does. In the second the initial blood fever has worn off and Bruce/Batman has become so painfully tired of this endless and thankless crusade. The armor has been weakened.) Kilmer also did this but in a more subdued way since he played heavily into the character's psychological basis.

VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
“George didn’t think there was any future in dead Han toys.”-Harrison Ford
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NOTE: all further reference to Michael Keaton must be under the title of The Keaton or Keatster or Jack Frost.

VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
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captainsolo said:

NOTE: all further reference to Michael Keaton must be under the title of The Keaton or Keatster or Jack Frost.

What about Doug #4?

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Bingowings said:

Schumacher's Bat is like watching a clown shake a black rubber dildo in an Eighties disco.


Fixed =D

Moving on, I said I was fond of Burton's Batman, not his Bruce Wayne (I can see what Burton was trying to do with him, but the whole pseudo-Clark Kent quirkiness didn't work for me). I like how Burton's Batman lurks in the shadows, how he doesn't say a word as he moves in on his target, how he's almost like a supernatural creature of the night. Nolan's Batman doesn't have any of that quasi-vampire eerieness about him which, IMHO, is half of what makes the Batman character who he is.

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Nope I was right the first time.

Schumacher's Bat looked like watching a UV paint fight in a gay fetish club.

Burton's Batman was all rubber, he could hardly move at all and way too short to be even remotely imposing.

The Dark Knight suit was droid like but at least it was mobile and had a large enough guy inside.

Schumacher may have had a nipple, crotch and bun fixation but Val Kilmer was at least the right size (back then) to get some mobility out of his suit.

Why cinema Superheroes these days have to wear these padded bra outfits is beyond me.

Just get athletic actors and stick them in appropriately fitting fabric.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

I'm rapidly losing interest in the Nolanverse, to be quite frank. His attempt to make Batman and his world more realistic is like spiking the punch with water.

Well put.  The Burton films are a mess as far as villains and cartoonishness go, but I prefer the visual darkness. That said; Returns was a one-time-only for me. It was just too stupid and way too Burton.

Even though I like Batman Begins a lot, I prefer the depth that Keaton brings to Bruce Wayne.  I also prefer the Batman suit of Keaton.  I'm not a fan of the Armored Batman.  The Schumaker films don't even warrant a mention.  They're shit.

The Nolan Batsuit is starting to head into Schumaker territory.  Way too sculpted.

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Man, speaking of losing interest;

Again with the middle of the day stuff.  And quite frankly, that shot looks ridiculous.  I'm a straight man and even I'm insulted by the soft porn vibe.  I expect more out of Nolan.  Maybe I shouldn't.

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What I remember of the Nolan Batman films:

1) Stupid Batman Voice
2) Stupid Big Tires

 

I'm out.

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Upon first hearing Catwoman would be in it, I began having my doubts. Now that it is Ann Hathaway and we have pictures of her... it feels like we've successfully made our way out of the realm of the cool realistic Batman Nolan brought us, back into the territory of dine a dozen kitschy superhero flicks. What made Batman Begins so great was that it was the farthest thing from this that most of us could imagine. Some elements of the Dark Knight seemed to be traveling back in this direction, but now it looks like the trip has ended.

Why do movies seem to do this? With James Bond we went from Casino Royal, which was a great new direction for the franchise, then by Quantum of Solace we are already halfway back to the campiness of the early Brosnan films.

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WTF? Where are Catwoman's ears? Sheesh.

Finally, other people who don't think The Dark Knight is the best movie ever. I don't have high hopes for this one either. RE: The Keaton - I think he is the best movie Batman but the worst Bruce Wayne. He is just too damn short! The curly hair doesn't help matters either. Batman Begins is my favourite of the movies despite Bale's woeful Clint Eastwood impersonation. TAS Bats is the real Batman for me.

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Remember these aren't shots they are on set photos.

Catwoman has always* worn odd, almost fetishistic clothing and at least it's practical for her night job.

On the subject of night work why are all these photos taken in day shoots?

Batman and Catwoman only really need their outfits when they work and they only work as outfits if they work at night.

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Not sure that I get all the TDK hate around here.  I prefer Begins overall, but fucking loved TDK.

Still nervous about this one, though.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Not sure that I get all the TDK hate around here.  I prefer Begins overall, but fucking loved TDK.

Is Bale still in it? :p

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I feel like there's a joke at my expense that's "woosh"ing over my head right now...

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I have a feeling TDKR will have the same fate as ROTJ and The Last Stand. Part three of anything is never any good.