Rate the Star Wars Films — Page 5

If you are a "Star Wars fan", you aren't normal ;)

Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold said:

How can someone who dislikes the prequels avoid being called a basher and someone who does a gusher?

Simple. Don't bash; don't gush.

Darth Bizarro said:

I highly resent the term "prequel gusher."  

I want the original versions of the trilogy to be released just as much as everyone else here but not everyone on this site loathes the prequels and that shouldn't be a prerequisite.

Here here!

skyjedi2005 said:

Somehow maybe i just figured this out but i think fink is a prequel gusher, no wonder he hates my prequel loathing.

Very Very interesting.

No, you're just an obnoxious, repetitive ass about your prequel loathing.  That's why he we hates it.

The strikethrough on the "s" for "hates" sort of blends in, making me think at first glance you had said

That's why we hates it.

Might this be the moment SkyJedy finally breaks through his sonic barrier?

Star Wars 8 Balls

Empire: 8.5 BALLS

Jedi: 6 Balls

Menace: 3 Balls

Clones: 2 Balls

Sith: 5 Balls

theprequelsrule said:

- the speeder bike chase

- Ian McDiarmid's performance as the Emperor

 

 

Well, the pod race had a (thankfull) dull and mute Ani and while I do laugh at the funny alien antics there, this kiddy stuff obviously doesn't compare to the rather charming and classic Endor chase.
Having that said, the sound, tempo and visuals in the podrace are extremely awesome - they take the idea from the speeder bike chase and develop it further.

Maybe less is more (CERTAINLY in the overall context), but it's awesome :D


McDiarmid was quite cool as the ambiguous senator, I very much like all the little subtleties he puts in - but that's just another slimy office politician, at the end of the day.
No match for the Emperor :)

Sitting in the theater, I rather enjoyed the opening of TPM.  Not the Neimodians, of course, but the Jedi.  It was cool to finally see them in their element, tearing through an army of robots.

It made me feel a little like a kid again, and I still feel that way watching it.

theprequelsrule said:

I am still stunned at the fact that there are some people who rate TPM and ROTJ equally. I even respect some of these people. Can anything in TPM (or any of the prequels) match the following scenes?

- our first look at Jabba

- Luke's battle with the Rancor

- the battle at the sarlacc pit

- the death of Yoda

- the speeder bike chase

- the exciting three part finale (that does not feature a retarded duck-amphibion comic relief character defeating enemies that jedi could not defeat)

- Vader's death

- Ian McDiarmid's performance as the Emperor

C'mon Skyjedi, back me up big guy!

 

 

I wouldn't rate the battle at the sarlacc pit as a pro for ROTJ.

The reason why I rate TPM and ROTJ about the same is because both movies are really similar in its weak and strong points.

Pros:

ROTJ: Jabba, Rancor battle, Leias Bikini, speeder bike scene, 3-way battle scene with space, ground and lightsaber fights

TPM: Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, Watto, Druidikas, Pod-Race, 3-way battle scene with space, ground and lightsaber fights

Cons:

ROTJ: Sarlacc, musical number in jabbas Palace (either one),too many muppets, Ewoks, silly ewok scenes, Vaders death (never understood why a few seconds of force lightning should kill him).

TPM: Jar-Jar, R2D2, C3PO, Midiclorians, too many cgi characters, too much political talk, silly jar-jar scenes

Jake Lloyd as Anakin never really bothered me. He wasn't great but did an OK job. So overall I think both movies are about the same level. I would give ROTJ a slight edge, because it has less dragging in the middle.

grisan said:

 (never understood why a few seconds of force lightning should kill him).

Because the lightning caused his breathing apparatus to malfunction.

Ziggy Stardust said:

grisan said:

 (never understood why a few seconds of force lightning should kill him).

Because the lightning caused his breathing apparatus to malfunction.

I have read that explanation several times and it makes sense, but I still think it should have been mentioned better in the movies or the damage by the emporer shoudl have been made more obvious. That's why I listed it as one of my main flaws of ROTJ.

grisan said:

Ziggy Stardust said:

grisan said:

 (never understood why a few seconds of force lightning should kill him).

Because the lightning caused his breathing apparatus to malfunction.

I have read that explanation several times and it makes sense, but I still think it should have been mentioned better in the movies or the damage by the emporer shoudl have been made more obvious. That's why I listed it as one of my main flaws of ROTJ.

As a 12 year old, I clearly understood that the lightening damaged his life-support system beyond repair and that it was failing him.

Also, I would not consider the Rancor pit among Jedi's pros. Absolutely everything about that sequence is just horrible except for the solo shots of the creature. The effects are miserable, and the story-board is inane and unsatisfying. This is the best that Jedi Luke Skywalker could do? Super-let down.

L8wrtr said:

grisan said:

Ziggy Stardust said:

grisan said:

 (never understood why a few seconds of force lightning should kill him).

Because the lightning caused his breathing apparatus to malfunction.

I have read that explanation several times and it makes sense, but I still think it should have been mentioned better in the movies or the damage by the emporer shoudl have been made more obvious. That's why I listed it as one of my main flaws of ROTJ.

As a 12 year old, I clearly understood that the lightening damaged his life-support system beyond repair and that it was failing him.

Me to.

People complain that the PT explained too much, then I hear comments like this and wonder...

Do we really want this in ROTJ

• LUKE: Why are you dying father?
• VADER: The Emperor's lightning powers short circuited my breathing machine. Didn't you notice the kind of 'broken breathing machine' sounds I'm making?
• LUKE: Not really. Anyway, do you want me to try and fix it? I'm handy with machines.
• VADER: No. It's 20 years old. They don't even make parts for it anymore. Now, tell your sister... you were riiiiiiight... ...

LUKE: Right about what exactly?

Actually Vader is already breathing heavily after Luke has cut his hand. The Emperor thingy only made it worse.

Even with mechanical breathing Vader could 'gasp' remember when he sensed Ben while walking in the corridor on the Death Star?

Perhaps he was just 'out of breath' after taking such a beating from the kid.

grisan said:

I wouldn't rate the battle at the sarlacc pit as a pro for ROTJ.

The reason why I rate TPM and ROTJ about the same is because both movies are really similar in its weak and strong points.

Pros:

ROTJ: Jabba, Rancor battle, Leias Bikini, speeder bike scene, 3-way battle scene with space, ground and lightsaber fights

TPM: Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, Watto, Druidikas, Pod-Race, 3-way battle scene with space, ground and lightsaber fights

Cons:

ROTJ: Sarlacc, musical number in jabbas Palace (either one),too many muppets, Ewoks, silly ewok scenes, Vaders death (never understood why a few seconds of force lightning should kill him).

TPM: Jar-Jar, R2D2, C3PO, Midiclorians, too many cgi characters, too much political talk, silly jar-jar scenes

Jake Lloyd as Anakin never really bothered me. He wasn't great but did an OK job. So overall I think both movies are about the same level. I would give ROTJ a slight edge, because it has less dragging in the middle.

 

Just for the record, in case certain others would like to object, you may think what you want, and like movies that you want, but this post is a prime example of poorly thought-through arguments.

Almost all the pros and cons here are superficial observations.
Sure, these things are good or bad for their respective movies (not gonna argue it), but how much do they contribute, and how much do they fuck up?

Pros:

ROTJ: Jabba, [a character] Rancor battle, Leias Bikini, speeder bike scene [doesn't forget about following two main characters], 3-way battle scene with space [where the main character saves the day by pure contrived accident], ground [consisting of nothing but slapstick] and lightsaber fights [while a cool fight, still one with 90% on the duel and 5% on the characterization - 5% because this may be the first moment Obi-Wan turns from a blank side-kick to an actual character a viewer roots for]

TPM: Darth Maul [a cool cardboard cutout with hardly any characterization beyond "evil"], Qui-Gon [a character personally uninvolved in the main plot, aside from Anakin and the final battle], Watto, Druidikas, Pod-Race [an entertaining video game sequences with cardboard cutouts for contestants; you do root for Anakin a bit, though], 3-way battle scene with space [a familiar secondary character fighting to victory], ground [main characters putting it in where it counts] and lightsaber fights [90% characterization, dialogue and emotional involvement, do the math]

Cons:

ROTJ: Sarlacc, musical number in jabbas Palace (either one),too many muppets, Ewoks, silly ewok scenes, Vaders death (never understood why a few seconds of force lightning should kill him).

TPM: Jar-Jar, R2D2, C3PO, Midiclorians, too many cgi characters, too much political talk, silly jar-jar scenes

It is how he rates the movies and not how you rate the movies.

Bingowings said:

It is how he rates the movies and not how you rate the movies.

Which is probably why I replied to his post, as opposed to my own.

Yes but you replied to his rating based on criteria of your own choosing.

If you were using that system to explain and illustrate your own rating it would make sense but using it to critique a blanket rating post made by somebody else doesn't make much sense contextually.

Bingowings said:

Yes but you replied to his rating based on criteria of your own choosing.

If you were using that system to explain and illustrate your own rating it would make sense but using it to critique a blanket rating post made by somebody else doesn't make much sense contextually.

Oh, I certainly use those criteria in my ratings, but that doesn't mean I can't suggest that someone else's rating is due to not considering these criteria.

Ultimately, you can take any criteria and use them to rate a movie in whatever way - but a lot of criteria and aspects can be missed, and later used to reconsider one's own opinions ;)