The ot.com "If I do this again on the forum, please someone stab me in the eye with an icepick" Thread (Also: The twooffour Discussion Thread) — Page 4

Bingowings said:

Not at all.

I often serve my unoriginal stupid FACTS with a side dish of absurd jokes.

Unlike yourself.

Well, if you really believe that Pat Condell (without all the "bum" bullcrap) is a racist, allow me to back to my original challenge that you dodged (with your "bum" "joke") - examples, please.

I'm pretty sure you have none.

But I don't believe it.

It's a fact.

Facts don't need faith or belief.

If it wasn't a fact it would be an opinion wouldn't it?

It would be open to discussion.

As it's a fact it requires proof not such a blunt tool.

Bingowings said:

Facts don't need faith or belief.

Exactly, they need substantiation and evidence. Which you don't provide.

As it's a fact it requires proof not such a blunt tool.

And the only reason you're giving me these plattitudes instead of providing this... "proof"... is because you have none.

Can we get a quote on the racism thing? I googled it, and it seems to be the consensus that he is an asshole and a dirty racist, but I can't find out exactly what makes him a racist. It seems it is mostly because the things he has said about Islam, which has nothing to do with race and everything to do with a ridiculously stupid religion.

CP3S said:

Can we get a quote on the racism thing? I googled it, and it seems to be the consensus that he is an asshole and a dirty racist, but I can't find out exactly what makes him a racist. It seems it is mostly because the things he has said about Islam, which has nothing to do with race and everything to do with a ridiculously stupid religion.

This.
So much.

Wait...Islam is a ridiculously stupid religion?  Or did I read that wrong?

No, it's a very intelligent, enlightened religion, that's based on truth, revelation and evidence, and does nothing but preach peace, tolerance, freedom of speech and opinion, mutual understanding, a fair moral judgment in the proven afterlife, and empowerment of women all day.

Just like the Bible.

I wasn't asking for your opinion of either case.

Oh, I'm sorry I intruded in your private conversation!

Then look forward to hearing it from someone else.

It's not private.  I have no interest in your opinion.  Anyone else, I'm listening.

I'm not religious, I don't read the bible, and even I was offended by his post.

btw, I *think* C3 was saying that the "comedian" was calling Islam a ridiculously stupid religion.

Mrebo said:

Tell me what you hope to never do again on ot.com.

I'm going to pre-empt myself and try to not talk about religion. In lieu of responding to 2/4's sarcastic post (wait, doesn't 2/4 habitually criticize sarcasm as defensive and non-responsive? ah, oh well.) I'll respond with a cheerful song.

It can be defensive and non-responsive, if it is defensive and non-responsive.

I never claimed ALL sarcasm was this. Please quote me on saying that. I would never claim such insipid BULLSHIT.


Let me break this down for you:
1. Having a point = good.
2. Having no point, but arguing = bad.

1. Expressing your point through sarcasm, or adding sarcasm to your point = good. Poignant.
2. Trying to cover up your lack of point by sarcasm = bad. Over-defensive.

____

1. Having a valid point = good.
2. Having an invalid point = bad.

1. Expressing a valid point through sarcasm = good. Win.
2. Expressing an invalid point through sarcasm (which usually amounts to accidentally making an accurate statement, while meaning the opposite) = bad. Makes you a laughingstock.

Simple enough? Or do you need more Sensible Conversation 101?
All sarcasm is non-responsive... I can't believe this.

TV's Frink said:

It's not private.  I have no interest in your opinion.  Anyone else, I'm listening.

Rational discourse 101: the validity or value of an opinion doesn't depend on who says it.

Not knowing that, ESPECIALLY at your age, is inacceptable - so congratulations on the whole laughinstock making yourself out of.

More lectures.  Yawn.

TV's Frink said:

I'm not religious, I don't read the bible, and even I was offended by his post.

Oh no, now the politically correct "I'm an atheist, but" guy is gonna play the "offense" card.
Religions should be respected!

Hey, you know, no one claims that everything in the Quran, or the Bible, is stupid (or immoral) - and certainly no one claims all Muslims or Christians to be stupid. No one claims all sophisticated constructs and works written on these religions, to be stupid (although many of them are, once you analyze them).

But I still think it's perfectly justified to call Islam or Christianity stupid, wicked or immoral, based on the sheer amount of stupid, wicked and immoral things they contain both in their scriptures, and representatives.


Christianity is now mostly resigned to mere stupidity and bigotry, while Islam CAN still go the whole way of being dangerous and totalitarian.

And on top of that, they're all based on something that isn't true.



So I'm sorry if you get "offended" at what is cold common knowledge to most people.
For what it matters, Pat Condell only has a beef with the "leaders" and "clerics" of organized religion, the ones who actually make themselves guilty of bullshit like this - and he makes it pretty clear if you listen to more than one of his videos.

TV's Frink said:

More lectures.  Yawn.

Maybe if you didn't yawn, but listened, you would actually learn something. It's your choice, though.

I'm not an atheist, you moron.

twooffour said:

And on top of that, they're all based on something that isn't true.

Don't be a hypocrite.  Prove it or shut the hell up.

TV's Frink said:

btw, I *think* C3 was saying that the "comedian" was calling Islam a ridiculously stupid religion.

Actually, "ridiculously stupid" were my words.

It seems those are essentially the sort of things this guy said that got him labeled a racist (which makes as much sense as someone saying negative things about Christianity being labeled an anti-Semite). So I should probably be careful.

I've read (an English interpretation) of the Koran, lived in an Islamic country, visited other Islamic countries, and opted to write a series of very long research papers on the subject of Islam when I was in university. None of these experiences has ever led me to change my opinions on the religion. It is very backwards and responsible for many of the problems we see in the middle-east. I guess it is nice to hold hands and get all lovey dovey about all religions being good and equal, but that is a bit like putting blinders on and looking the other way. Some things simply shouldn't be ignored, but for the last several years there seems to have been a desperate desire to ignore this one.

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

And on top of that, they're all based on something that isn't true.

Don't be a hypocrite.  Prove it or shut the hell up.

The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim.
Religious claims require evidence to be valid, not "proofs of the opposite" to be invalid.

Again, that's rational discourse / skepticism 101 - you REALLY shouldn't be yawning at certain "lectures".

I can't believe I already violated my list, in the very thread dedicated to the list.