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@ Harmy, don't worry, I will help you out.

@ Aluminum Falcon, for right now 97 SE V2 is a no go, if I can figure out some way to get rid of some of that shitty smearing I would consider it, but I really doubt I would do another DVD version, I would more than likely do yet another companion BD Set featuring the 1997 SE versions, my menu Friend already said he would be in, because it would only be video and maybe 2-3 audio options, maybe some SE extras that are not on the official BD Set, but as I said, the smearing has me put off right now, and I am going to take a very long break for right now anyways, so if people have any ideas on how to achieve this, I am all ears.

I know I would like to use the HD broadcasts for this project, because I have all of them, and then just tweak it all to match the 97 SE, but for something like this, it sure would be nice to have a partner to share the work with, if I did, I may consider doing this sooner rather than later.

@ Those that have packages coming, I know we have some SWEET covers, but you may want to hold off printing any just yet, I have just made a new very nice Friend at blu-ray.com Forums named bartlettphoto and he does magnificent work, and it is all professional work, he is making me up 3 new different designed covers for each movie, one is a "OT" look, the other is "Comic" look, and the final is a vintage "VHS" look, now I have seen the "OT" & "Comic" look already, he has designed alternate covers for this Sept. release and they look way COOL! but I have no idea what the vintage "VHS" covers will look like, but I am sure they will be GREAT! so watch your email in box over the weekend for links to a new Set of covers.

Thanks again to ALL that donated, and to ABC, Harmy, and bartlettphoto for the great cover selection.

Later Everyone

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HOLY CRAP! I just got my V3 package. I'll watch it as soon as I can.

EDIT: I meant Project Blu... just a bit awestruck I guess.

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

HOLY CRAP! I just got my V3 package. I'll watch it as soon as I can.

So you got the DVD's? the Blu-ray project is not considered V3, it is it's own deal.

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Oh apologies. I meant I got my Project Blu package, and I've just started watching it!

Anyway, here are my initial thoughts:

I put the SW disc into my PS3, and, lo and behold, my PS3 recognized it as Star Wars! This is the first HD Star Wars I've seen do that, so this set things up nicely and professionally.

I then started the disc. The Menu looks magnificent! Kudos to whoever did it. The poster background is very classy and better than some official Blu-Rays. The menu was very organized and easy to navigate. Nothing seemed fan-made. Even the font looked classy.

Eagerly, I started the movie. The crawl... is superb! Never have I seen it look so crisp; not even in the 2004 transfer. Since the crawl was taken from a different source than the rest of the GOUT, it was immaculate. The letters looked crisp, immediately it reminded me of how nice mverta's Star Wars Legacy crawl looked.

As the movie continued onward, I wasn't disappointed. I never got the V3, so I'm completely blown  away by the depth and clarity of the picture. Hard to believe this is a 20 year old scan meant for laserdisc! Anyway, I watched in awe as the Star Destroyer battled the rebel ship.

Perhaps the only thing I noticed so far was that the DVNR is still noticeable. Unfortunately, nothing can be done about this. You can see it a bit more in Project Blu than the GOUT.

However, I must say that this is MY DEFINITIVE VERSION OF STAR WARS. Sorry, Harmy, your Despecialized editions were nice, but this...

Anyway, I've got to go. I want to watch more! :-)

EDIT: Sorry, but one last thought... this definitely goes far beyond the reaches of sheer upconversion. Even my OPPO DVD-983H can't upconvert to half this quality.

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ROFLMeAWaffle said:

Dark Jedi, will you be uploading Project Blu online ?

How's that for a first post? Not even a "how do you do" or a single compliment but an annoying question which has been hashed over and over again in this thread.

 

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vbangle said:

ROFLMeAWaffle said:

Dark Jedi, will you be uploading Project Blu online ?

How's that for a first post? Not even a "how do you do" or a single compliment but an annoying question which has been hashed over and over again in this thread.

 

Thanks for the help vbangle !

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ROFLMeAWaffle said:

vbangle said:

ROFLMeAWaffle said:

Dark Jedi, will you be uploading Project Blu online ?

How's that for a first post? Not even a "how do you do" or a single compliment but an annoying question which has been hashed over and over again in this thread.

 

Thanks for the help vbangle !

Ha ha, that is the most sarcastic response ever.

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

dark_jedi said:

Well it has been a fun time, and it has been cool, now it is time to get ALL SW related files and folders OFF

So I take it, you've scrapped your 1997SE V2? If you have, it's fine since you do totally deserve retirement after completing this thorough set.

Very true. Although to be honest, I've been looking forward to the SE v2 set too. The Special Editions were the ones I grew up with.

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All right, anyway, more thoughts about Project Blu...

I finished ANH and was left blown away by the whole experience. The edition looks very nice, as I said before. Despite the DVNR, it still retains a film-like appearance with the occasional (film) artifact; it certainly has a warmer, more natural feel to it than the sterile 2004 versions. Immediately, I was swept up by this.

On the whole, the color scheme is very nice. It's pleasantly saturated and a great colorful movie, much like Apocalypse Now... The picture now resembles all those wonderful film cels I've seen throughout the year. Certainly, this is the best, color timing-wise that Star Wars has ever looked. The very warm, bright, colorful picture feels right, and I'm not sure that anything color-corrected from that dull, bland 2004 master can look as majestic.

Overall, the brightness and contrast were good. All stars in space were visible and no crushed blacks! The contrast was natural and never overwhelming, feeling like the late saturated 70's film it should feel like. Truthfully, and yes, I know I said the exact same thing on Harmy's release, I did notice more details I had never seen before. I'm glad this has such a high bideo bitrate since there are absolutely no digital compression artifacts whatsoever and you can see everything possible. :-)

Of course, as earlier, I must mention the grain reduction. This is certainly no fault of Dark Jedi's, as it is inherent to anything from the GOUT. There was nothing he could have done... It's lesser in some scenes than others, for instance it seems relatively visible on the blockade runner and Tattooine, but far less so during the Death Star and Yavin 4 scenes. Still, no Star Wars release is perfect and if you didn't have the grain reduction, the picture would indeed be VERY grainy or if it was 2004 sourced, crushed blacks and still some grain reduction. The 1080p conversion does make it more visible than in the SD GOUT. After the first 10 minutes, you'll get used to it and enjoy the rest of the film. Strangely, optical grain is still visible in some shots...

All the audio tracks are in sync and wonderful. I'd often transition between them with that snazzy pop-up menu this thing has. I'm glad this has such a high bideo bitrate since there are absolutely no digital compression artifacts whatsoever and you can see every detail possible. :-)

However, by far, the absolute best part of this release is... the lightsabers (lightsabres?). They looked absolutely fantastic... better than any lightsabers I'd seen so far (yes I'm including Revisited). Personally, I favor the hand-rotoscoped, animated-like, original feel of lightsabers to digital ones. This Blu-Ray certainly showed it off... in all its glory. I loved the simple animated look of the lightsabers. It must have been such a pain back in '77 to make those; finally seeing it in it's original (arguably primitive) glory, I appreciated their grandeur and brilliance. They also were surprisingly colorful! Luke's and Obi-Wan's lightsabers were both true blue. Darth Vader's was even more impressive. It was certainly the reddest I'd ever seen it in any movie. No trace of pink whatsoever. In these lightsaber scenes, you can even see the old-fashioned optical grain, letting you know how much effort was put into making it. ;) If you want to really feel how natural and original this release is, take a look at any of ANH's lightsaber scenes.

And that's all for now folks! I can't wait until THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK! :-)

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Hey everyone

Cant believe this forum is still alive ! :)

Been here ages ago. So long in fact that I forgot my login details :(

Anyway...I would also LOVE to see the new blu ray OT, so if one of you could send me details of how to obtain them, I would be really happy :)

Thanks

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^ RE: Star Wars Original Trilogy Theatrical Edition's Info, ALL versions! (SEE FIRST POST FOR INFO AND AVAILABILITY)

Examples:

Star Wars
video - 16:9 anamorphic widescreen @ 2.35:1 NTSC
audio - English ac3, (1) 93‘ LD audio DD 2.0 (384 KB/S) (2) 93’ LD audio DD 5.1 upmix (448 KB/S) (3) 77’ mono Mix Dolby 1.0 (96 KB/S)
menu - none
subs - English from the Bonus DVD
availability - newsgroups? (this set is pretty old now)

Star Wars
video - 16:9 anamorphic widescreen @ 2.35:1 NTSC
audio - English ac3, (1) 1977 70mm Six-Track Reconstruction (Dolby Digital 5.1) @ 448kbps (2) 1977 Theatrical 2.0 Surround @256kbps (3) 1977 Theatrical Mono @ 128kbps (4) 1985 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps (5) 1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps (6) Isolated Score 2.0 Stereo @ 192kbps
menu - static menu w\audio
subs - none
availability - Myspleen, if you need an invite just PM me and it's yours.

Star Wars
video - 720p AVC @ 13.5 Mbps
audio - English - (1 & 2) 1977 70mm Six-Track Reconstruction - DTS-HD MA 5.1 & Dolby Digital 5.1 (3 & 4) 1977 Theatrical 2.0 - Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround & LPCM (5 & 6) 1977 Theatrical Mono - Dolby Digital & LPCM (7 & 8) 1985 Home Video 2.0 - Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround & LPCM (9 & 10) 1993 Home Video 2.0 - Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround & LPCM (11) Isolated Score Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo
menu - yes, motion top menu w\audio and pop up menu with scene selection, and audio selection.
subs - none
disc size - 22.5 GB's
availability - FINISHED, not uploaded.

 

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I feel exactly like "The Aluminum Falcon" does. He's just better putting his feelings down on paper than I am so I will let what he said stand. Dark Jedi you really made a professional retail looking set. Be proud of your accomplishment. You deserve it.

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I'm very late to the party. Read about the last 15 pages. Looks and sounds very exciting. I will keep my eyes open on this thread to see what happens with the BD editions in the future.

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Luckily, this weekend, I was able to watch Empire Strikes Black: THE PROJECT BLU EDITION! As I inserted the disk into my PS3, I eagerly watched, as it was identified as ESB and then launched. The menu immediately started with its nice, clean interface. Unlike before, I didn't start the movie right away, going to the kitchen to get some soda. Upon my return, I was surprised to find the background transitioning to an alternate poster. LOL. I didn't know the menu cycled, anyway, before watching, I excitedly saw all the various ESB posters. I did notice that the music was surprisingly mellow considering the exciting movie... a different choice over the cliched Imperial theme.

As the movie started, the crawl looked less sharp than Star Wars's, probably since it's GOUT material. As the movie started, it looked promising. In contrast to Adywan's AVCHD's snow-white Hoth, this edition had a Blue Hoth, which I can appreciate since that's how it appeared.  Interestingly, though, the tone of Blue looked slightly different, it was less cyan than Harmy's and the 2004's and a darker blue instead. Once again, I must say, it's impressive how clear this picture is compared to the murky GOUT. Grain reduction was not as prevalent in this section as I expected...

By the time they were in the asteroids, everything looked pretty nice. There were no bitrate issues, and you could make out every star and asteroid. No blurriness. When we got our glimpse of the Emperor, the hologram looked detailed, moreso than the GOUT. You could see scan lines. Dagobah looked pretty good. This scenes did have DVNR but not enough to distort the smoke into blurs, so that was fantastic. Furthermore, by the time it got to the cave scene, one will notice that the lightsabers look different than in your Star Wars: Project Blu. They looked more modern, so I assume that they were able to far improve the lightsaber roto-scoping techniques for the making of ESB. In any case, it was unexpected but interesting. The lightsaber colors seemed fine. This cave scene seemed to have a bit more DVNR than the rest of Dagobah.

Unfortunately, due to how infernally bad it is in the GOUT, Bespin seemed a bit worse though than the rest of the movie. It was "flatter" than the 2004 versions, with less contrast and seemingly darker. The lightsabers here looked as in the cave scene (improved over the animated looking ones in ANH), but Vader's lightsaber did look pinkish in some shots. After watching many versions of ESB, I'm guessing that the blue tint (not to be confused with the additional cyan from the 2004) added to ESB when in theaters did mess with the lightsaber colors a bit. However, during some later scenes, when they were on the ledge during the famous revalation, Vader's lightsaber seemed a bit more reddish. Another thing I noticed is that Vader's face seemed to be obscured a bit during these final scenes, with it seeming a bit dark. I understand that this could not be helped, as the detail is simply not there in the murky GOUT and punching up the contrast (as instinct would sugguest) would just lose detail in brighter areas.

All in all, picture was good. It wasn't as saturated as Star Wars, but it's not supposed to be. In other words, all is how it was in theaters, a contrast to Star Wars. Perhaps this is even why it received relatively bad reviews on release. To those who abhor the colors of the 2004, also take note that this release of ESB (as mentioned earlier) does have a dark blue cast, which was always suppposed to be present, as shown in the recently-uncovered 35mm Betamax bootleg. Detail is there and visible, especially during the asteroid and Star Destroyer scenes. There are no overblown whites. Grain reduction is definitely present. It gradually increases from Hoth to the Dagobah sequence. For some reason (and I honestly don't know why), the grain reduction does seem noticeably higher than the rest of the film during the Bespin scenes. The men who made the GOUT probably tried to wipe out the optical grain during lightsaber scenes completely, making it less noticable, while in ANH, they decided to leave it be more. It was during these last sequences that this seemed to lose its filmic look. If you are really bothered by the grain reduction in Bespin, then go for Harmy's despecialized edition, but be prepared for a more contrasted look...However, I do want to make it clear that this is the ABSOLUTE BEST upscale the ESB GOUT can achieve. Empire Strikes Back was, in my opinion, hit the HARDEST of all the films in terms of grain reduction and lack of detail, so DJ did the best he could in recovering his detail. You can only polish the turd Lucas crapped out for us in 2006 so much.

The audio... was EXCELLENT! All of the audio tracks were in sync. Once again, I occasionally switched with your pop-up menu. Though Hairy-Hen's remix is superb, I was not viewing with a surround system, so I watched the theatrical stereo. It had great dynamic range for an audio rip from an old LD. I liked it. The Linear PCM was also great. Though I'm not an audiophile, it seemed to be punchier than the Dolby Digital. Your LPCM version of the '93 remix sounded even better and I also liked it. Of course, the "Imperial Edition" isolated score was wonderful... certainly clearer than ANH's isolated track.

Finally, I listened to the Hotline recordings. These were a treat. Your intro screens were very informative and I didn't see any spelling errors, so that was good. The audio seemed to have slight tape hiss but was very clear and at a good volume. Corny, of course... Forgot to mention it earlier, but in both this menu and in ANH's, I did notice that lightsaber was always spelled "lightsabre." You want it this way right? I think both spellings are equally acceptable.

Well, congratulations are in order, while not quite as impressive as ANH, due to the more subdued visual style of the film, Empire Strikes Back looks as it seemed to in theaters... and I suppose that's what matters. The audio is the best I've heard though... ;)

I'll review ROTJ when I see it... It's been awhile since I've seen the theatrical version of that.

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What a brilliant website.  Just want to add my praise at what you've done and that it's not just hard core Star Wars fans who object that the originals aren't released in proper quality on DVD or at all on blu ray.  I'm not a star wars fan as such but came across this site after looking at the blu rays and learning what they contained!  Back when the last dvds came out, me and my friends (just general viewers) were highly unimpressed at the changes.  Eg the change of Vader at the end of ROTJ and all the CGI.  Equally disliked the prequels.

Having looked at this site I can well understand the fans being disaffected at having effectively put GL where he is, but not being given what you want and deserve.  Well I think it's a common view shared by non fans too, if they saw the originals all those decades ago. 

So far I've just checked out Adywans SW revisited and ESB 1997 recon I think it was.  Very impressed and will seek to check out other versions including these from Dark_Jedi.  Well done again.  It's stimulated an interest in SW again....

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Welcome crystal1 and thanks for saying that, it's nice to see that some people in the general audience are on our side :-)

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I'm appreciating your detailed reviews The Aluminum Falcon.  They're certainly making me anxious to see the Project Blu editions myself once they become available to the rest of us.  Any thoughts yet, from d_j or others, on how these might be disseminated (PIF? Torrent? Newsgroups? Rapidshare?)

“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers

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Harmy said:

Welcome crystal1 and thanks for saying that, it's nice to see that some people in the general audience are on our side :-)

 

Definitely.  I'm also keen to view your new HD version of Jedi I saw mentioned on another thread, when it's out (ROTJ DeEd). 

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corellian77 said:

I'm appreciating your detailed reviews The Aluminum Falcon.  They're certainly making me anxious to see the Project Blu editions myself once they become available to the rest of us.  Any thoughts yet, from d_j or others, on how these might be disseminated (PIF? Torrent? Newsgroups? Rapidshare?)

I still have NO idea how or when these will get shared, but I can say that there will be no rapidshit upload(hate rapidshare) and definitely NO PIF, these never work, I have been around here for a long time and I have NEVER seen this work the way it was supposed to, there were ALWAYS broken links(probably the same hit and runner Fucks on torrents!) plus you would have to have a BD burner for this to work, not many have those, that is probably why I had a few more people that donated this time as opposed to the V3 Set, plus I am waiting on reviews, almost everyone has their sets now and only 2 have commented, and only 1 of those in GREAT detail, so I am still waiting on that, so hopefully I will start reading some soon, if not I am going to go ahead and call these FINAL, which I am pretty certain they are anyways and start deleting and backing up files, I want ALL Star Wars shit off my PC LOL.

PLUS, none that donated are in anyway shape or form obligated to share(just like the V3 Donations, none were obligated then either) this is for them for what they did to help me out, and I appreciate that very much, so please do not ask them either, that was not part of the their deal, now once I determine whether or not these are final(which as I said, I am sure they are) then they can share if they want to, but I am guessing most won't because they don't have BD burners, which is totally fine by me, hope you guys understand what I am trying to say here, if not just ask.

@ Aluminum Falcon, Thank You SO much for the in depth reviews, and I am really glad you are enjoying these, and I tried to get ESB as good as I can, like I mentioned earlier, I have fixed over 200 shit frames, Harmy and Ady helped me with a few though(Thanks to them both) because this IS my favorite of the 3, I just love this movie, and the dark scene you mentioned, I tried very hard to lighten\brighten it up a bit but everything I threw at it just made other scenes look bad, the V3 is the same way, I hate how dark it is in some spots, even in SW & ROTJ, but I haven't yet figured out a way to lighten\brighten without and adverse affects, so, it is what it is, I am much happier with ESB now then I was though, but anyways, Thanks again for the reviews, by all means keep them coming.

*edit - more than likely when it is released, it will be between either Myspleen or the newsgroups.

 

 

 

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Had the chance to watch the first half of Star Wars last night.  This is the way I remember the films.  Colors appeared accurate to my memory, anamorphic widescreen (no more crappy letterbox GOUT for me), and the sound... amazing!  I don't have the world's best setup, just a 26" LCD and a 5.0 setup using speakers from Goodwill, but it looked and sounded incredible.  Hard to believe the crappy GOUT was the original source for this.

Is it perfect? No. But until Georgy Boy gets off his fat ass and gives us fans what we want it's as close as we'll get. 

Dark_Jedi, I think it's safe for you to say "Mission Accomplished".  You wanted an incredible companion set for next month's official release, and you have provided it! 

Can't wait to watch the second half of Star Wars, and move on to Empire later this evening!

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Thanks for the response, d_j.  I really hope these find their way to the masses sooner than later.  For what it's worth, downloading 75(?) GB may seem like a lot for some, but I'd be content to do so considering the final product I'd be getting.  I've downloaded a 60 GB file before and, while it did take a looooong time, I got it eventually, so I'd have no problem doing it again for what would be, for me, my definitive OT set.

“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers

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Yea, but it is the uploading that much I do not like, I do not want to tie my PC up that long uploading, we will see.

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I'm sure one of the testers would volunteer to upload if you asked them :-) 

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Harmy said:

I'm sure one of the testers would volunteer to upload if you asked them :-) 

They may, but I won't ask any of them to, it is not their responsibility, it is mine to share, they did their part in this, I won't ask for anything more of them.

I might just have to upload 1 a month.