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IMO Empire is the best Star Wars film.
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IMO Empire is the best Star Wars film.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Another thing in my belief if you hate a Star Wars movie you are not a Star Wars fan.
Like, if you're an american and you don't like the republicans, get out and move to France? I think only true SW fans can criticize SW movies. Or am I supposed to like any piece of crap George Lucas does? If episode 3 sucks, will you still be forced to like it? If episode 3 ends up a 5 hour long silent b&w stop-motion movie with no plot whatsoever, you'd still love it, no matter what?
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Another thing in my belief if you hate a Star Wars movie you are not a Star Wars fan.
By this rationale, if you don't like the Holiday Special, "Ewoks," "Droids," or books from the Expanded Universe including Shimmy's beloved New Jedi Order, you also are not a "true fan". Sorry, guess I'll relegate myself to "True Critic", then. Do you qualify as a true fan? Somehow, using these standards, I doubt there is a 100% true fan in existence. George Lucas included.
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lol
and then im never posting in this thread again...
bottom line is... the prequels were so different from the original movies that they will not be loved by those who grew up with the originals and those who did not grow up with the originals will prolly love the prequels...
me... now that i think of it....
I would rather watch the Star Wars Holiday Special, Ewoks: Battle of Endor, Droids and the Ewoks cartoons than even sit through one viewing of either prequels...
you can choose which one cuz both were disgusting .... well.... SHIT!
jimbo will die loving AOTC and will always think (lol, i love this part) that the story and acting was by far the best.... hahaha but he still wont admit these movies were just an effects show... let him think that....
believe me when you say that you will never be able to introduce him to reality... TRUST ME!
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Did it meet my expectations? Well, I don't exactly recall if I went in with any expectations, other than seeing Natalie Portman
. But it gave me two-hours of old-fashioned adventure, with, granted, an overuse of CGI. It entertained me, and it can still entertain me when I put the DVD in. In my opinion, it did it's job. Is it better than the OT? Not to me, anyway. But I think that's also because of the nostalgia the classics hold for me, and I won't deny that that's a part of it, or that I feel somewhat sorry for the kids growing up today, who don't have our memories of ANH, ESB, and ROTJ. But, you know, if Jimbo likes AOTC best, then I can accept it. I don't have to agree with him, but I feel it's refreshing to have an opposing view on the forums, and I admire him for having the courage to stand up for AOTC, even though it isn't very popular.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
and great acting of The Empire Strikes Back is found in Attack of the Clones.
Now thats just silly!!
Silly Jimbo!!
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But some would argue that it doesn't have a great story.
Or that it isn't verywell told.
But that isn't me. I just think some of the dialogue--especially the one-liners--in Attack of the Clones is incredibly annoying, and the fireplace scene was horrible. And some of the shots of Coruscant look fake, especcially durning the chase scene
I feel exactly the same!!! THe one liners are corny, the stories are terrible, the one good thing in PM (Darth Maul) they kill off. Lucas has lost it. He better pull it together for Episode 3. I don't want this to seem like I a am now a Star Wars hater, but I have been disappointed so far.
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Well talking about stupid complaints... if that is the case, surely someone who hates the Ewoks isn't a true Star Wars fan either? Or someone who doesn't like the OT version of ROTJ?
Being a fan is not the same as being a "Yes-man".
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
well im gonna put in my last two cents here...
lol
and then im never posting in this thread again...
bottom line is... the prequels were so different from the original movies that they will not be loved by those who grew up with the originals and those who did not grow up with the originals will prolly love the prequels...
me... now that i think of it....
I would rather watch the Star Wars Holiday Special, Ewoks: Battle of Endor, Droids and the Ewoks cartoons than even sit through one viewing of either prequels...
you can choose which one cuz both were disgusting .... well.... SHIT!
jimbo will die loving AOTC and will always think (lol, i love this part) that the story and acting was by far the best.... hahaha but he still wont admit these movies were just an effects show... let him think that....
believe me when you say that you will never be able to introduce him to reality... TRUST ME!
This is also going to be my last post. I quoted you Luke because I agree with everything you said in this post 100%.
My one final point to add:
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Another thing in my belief if you hate a Star Wars movie you are not a Star Wars fan.
So, you'll make up reasons to like a Star Wars movie, no matter how bad it sucks? Fine, I'm not a "true" Star Wars fan by your ridiculous and hypocritical standards. I'm just a fan of the OT. Fine by me. I grew up with taped off TV versions, because the Pan-Scan versions weren't out yet. I got the movies for christmas the first time they were available in a box set in 1990.
(P.S. Just because a movie has a hot girl in it, like Natalie Portman, doesn't make it good...niether can a person be considered a good actress, just because you think she's hot)
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Originally posted by: Joker_Smilez
The Naboo starfighters are just as shiny as the queen's transport...maybe the pilots are really rich and like fancy looking starfighters...I don't know...
the naboo fighters are escort ships for the queens tranport. they are liek the royal honour gaurd so they will be shiny
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The Naboo starfighters are just as shiny as the queen's transport...maybe the pilots are really rich and like fancy looking starfighters...I don't know...
And yes, the ships in the ORIGINAL original trilogy looks way better than anything in the PTs. The PTs are obviously fake and digital. The REAL models look like REAL ships because they are just that...REAL.
In my opinion, almost nothing in the PTs look real. Probably because almost nothing in the PTs is real...they set records for most use of CGI. I can't stand watching them because to me, everything looks so cheesy and fake and obviously computer generated.
Maybe to you and guys like jimbo, everything about the PTs is "so cool" and "awesome", but I can't stand any of it. The battle scenes were cheesy and lame, the ships looked cartoonish, and the feel was COMPLETELY differant than the originals, which makes it seem like the PTs were made by someone other than GL. Everything about the PTs rubs me the wrong way. They try and mix in way too much humor with unfunny actors so it sounds cheesy and forced, they're always seemingly shooting for kiddy appeal and lowest common denominator stuff. I mean, it seems like GL made Star Wars for preteens and no one older. To me, the PTs are kids movies. I'm in my 20s which may not be very old, but for myself, all my friends, and all of our parents, we can't stand the PTs. We grew up with the OTs and we know them well. So, when the PTs came along and were SO differant, and really cheesy and kiddy in comparison, it turned us right off. I can see why a kid who's like, 14 might love the PTs, but I hate them.
This forum was created so jimbo can rant and rave about how awesome ATOC was and how he thinks it's better than any of the OTs, and I can't resist arguing, because I feel so strongly against the PTs. I've seen each only twice and can't stand watching them any more than that. Everything about them makes me cringe. If you feel differantly, good for you. Personally, I hate the stupid things.
rather then to say this is stupid it sucks try giving us example if you are so grown up.
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rather then to say this is stupid it sucks try giving us example if you are so grown up.
Shimraa if you take a closer look at the quote you quoted then you will see loads of examples. First he says the ships are fake in the PT compared to the OT. (Which I agree, they are cool looking but the are fake a model would have been better), then there is too much CGI(which I agree, you do not feel like you are "in" the PT. I feel like I am just watch TV), next he says the battle scenes were cheesy and lame, the ships looked cartoonish, and the feel was COMPLETELY different than the originals( I liked the battle sceens but it did not have the same feel as the OT...also the cheesy one liners have got to go, how about 2PO's infamous "what a drag line" I hope everybody hated that line as much as me. Finally he says the PT is created for preteens, which I think is plainly obvious. One thing that bothers me is the PT and the OT have nothing in commen besides being called Star Wars. Where are the classic Star Wars sceen wipes? Where is the great story? Where is the great script? Where is the freakin great acting? TOO MUCH CGI. What is Yoda CGI? He looked great in the OT! I could go on all day about this. I do have one other thing that has been bothering me...Limbo, for you to say "Another thing in my belief if you hate a Star Wars movie you are not a Star Wars fan." is probably the STUPIDEST thing I have EVER heard. Just because you don't like something you are not a fan? You might want to come out from behind that rock you live under and get a grip on reality jackass. The PT were OK, thay are not even in the same class as the OT. why don't you go watch the OT then the PT there is no comparision. Lucas has lost what is good about the Star Wars Trilogy and fell into the trap of flashy movie making. Memo to George Lucas how about you let somebody else direct and write the next movie( and I know that iEpisode 3 is already in production)but buy some great miracle that episode 3 is everything I thought it should be all is forgiven.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
You have no appreciation for great new cinema. You can have all the fun with your ancient stuff you want. Oh wait you can't.
Jimbo, I really want to respect your opinion and defend your right to have it, but (no offense) you seem to just be picking a fight. If AOTC is your favorite Star Wars movie, more power to you, but it's harsh to say 'if you hate a Star Wars movie you are not a Star Wars fan.' To be here and still be fighting for the original classic trilogy cuts on DVD even after it's been announced that they won't be says a lot about everyone's love of the Star Wars universe.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Sorry I guess I was a bit wild. I just am so sick of prequal complaints. It is ruining the Star Wars fanbase. It used to be cool to be a Star Wars fan. Prequal bashing has ruined Star Wars. It needs to end. So called Star Wars fans need to start being Star Wars fans.
I can understand. I think we all have a tendency at times to focus on the negative rather than look at the good (I am definitely guilty of that
). With the prequels, it's suddenly cool for people to poke fun at Star Wars (ex. Jar-Jar Binks). I think the mainstream public is alienated when Star War fans argue over the prequels, and think 'This is stupid, I don't want to be around "those sorts."' It would be nice if we could all acknowledge the reasons we're all fans (those reasons go beyond the films themselves) and enjoy talking about those reasons, rather than tearing each other down with endless arguments that can neither be won nor lost. Apology accepted, Jimbo . Currently Reading: Shatterpoint, by Matthew Stover
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as for why so many of the OT dislike the PT. The PT is different, that is why. they are nothing like the originals except for a few story links. but the fact remains that when looking at the saga as a whole objectively all of the movie besides ESB and the TPM are about even. ESB is better the the rest and TPM is a little worse. the PT is so different from the originals in the way that they are bight and the OT was dark. in the way that the PT uses CGI and the OT uses puppets, in the way that the PT is not a new idea whereas the OT was. people genrally like what they grew up it, they prefer what they have always known about rather then new stuff that is the problem. OT fans go to see the PT expecting every thing that they saw in the OT but they will not get this because the movie are being made 20 years later. there are better technologies better and cheaper ways of doing effect now then there were 20 years ago. and the fact is that this change is too much for OT fans. they do not like the PT because it is so different from there OT. The OT they grew up with and which they adored. they feel that anyhitng that is going to be part of the series must be made in the same way and have the same effect on them as it did when they were little. the fact is that there is nothing that GL could have done that would have made them happy besides make the movies with the same techonology as he did before. and that is just not smart, its not innovative, and it is just stupid. the OT fans have grown up and the same stuff will not have the same effects on them, they are matured now and that is why they look at the things inthe PT as say " oh that looks cartoonie, or that is not right" i am sure things like the ewoks and little desert guys witht eh red eyes seems too cartoonie for the people in the seventies that were used to stuff from the 60s. the fact is that times have changed and people have changed and so SWs can never have the same effect. the effect of the OT was uneque to the poeple who saw them when they were little.( i remind everyone that i am a major SW books fan, and that is knida gone now too, and a casual fan of the movies)
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If people would just accept Attack of the Clones for the masterpeice it is the Star Wars fanbase would be taken more seriously.
Masterpeice???
first off you must mean masterpiece...
second... its far far far far far from a masterpiece...
but then why am i even bothering with you...
**sigh**
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Originally posted by: Luke SkywalkerQuote
If people would just accept Attack of the Clones for the masterpeice it is the Star Wars fanbase would be taken more seriously.
Masterpeice???
first off you must mean masterpiece...
second... its far far far far far from a masterpiece...
but then why am i even bothering with you...
**sigh**
Well, I don't know if AOTC was a masterpiece... but I do think TPM was a piece of somethin'....
(Sorry, I just couldn't resist...)