The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 220

Wow, really enjoyed that clip Fleabite - the music was superb and the '70's' style film quality really helped give the footage a new, strangely more 'realistic' feel

Not too shabby. Might as well finish your planned edit.

Been adding the sound fx a bit at a time. Really trying to remove all the familiar sounds associated with Phantom Menace and replacing them with something more realistic. I have used some fx of Slave 1 from AOTC for Sebulba's pod at some points. That deep, tractor-like growl always appealed to me. That's for the good words, folks. I really appreciate the encouragement.

I hate how prequels feel they have to explain everything that takes place in the earlier published but chronologically later films.  It's like the only events of significance in the lives of the characters take place in very brief windows of time.  Explanations of Professor X's paralysis come to mind as bothersome and inconsistent with previously established movie canon.

Wonder where I'm going with this?  My point: why was it necessary to show Palpatine' facial damage in Ep III?  I don't think an explanation has ever been wanted or needed.  The EU explanation (from Dark Empire-ugh-but logical) was that his massive usage of the dark side had consumed his body.  Though I was young when I'd first heard this reasoning, it seemed sound to me, and I feel it would have been my ultimate assumption had there never been any EU.  I wish that someone could edit out the Emperor's facial damage throughout the whole movie.  I would feel completely content if I'd watched the films in chronological order, left off in ROTS with Palpy looking relatively healthy, then picked up in ESB and ROTJ looking decrepit.  That would certainly be a challenge for any editor to fix, though.

I'm old enough to remember thinking Palpatine looked like that because he was really, really old, which I assume was the original intension (somewhat carried over in AOTC where Palpatine is already getting pale and wrinkly but ignored in ROTS where he seems to have rejuvenated).

I started to think they were going to pull some twist where Palpatine and Sidious were seperate characters which would somehow merge.

My favorite theory was that the ambitious and greedy Palpatine was slowly absorbing the dark sorceror Sidious and stealing his power which is why they looked and sounded the same.

You know, even just being really old would have sufficed.  Reflected force lightning is a corny explanation and it was probably my biggest complaint with ROTS (remember, I like the PT better than many on this site).

By the way, you really do like the radical ideas, which is why you seem to be lord over each of these radical redux threads :)  The merging of the two characters would have been radical indeed.

I started this thread because for me the PT is such a mess that as good as some of the more conventional edits (trimming and shifting scenes) are to make these films even approach the moniker of Star Wars episodes they need a lot more work done to them.

The stories, the performances and the production details like effects etc all need further development.

The ANH:SE thread started as a pressure valve for the ANH:R thread as Adywan had said he was finished with that project and wanted to move forward but people still had lots of great ideas.

I hope it inspires more people to take up the mantle and since Ady has announced doing an HD version maybe he will have a look at some of those ideas and maybe...just maybe use a few for that project. I added the 'Radical' bit to the title because I was asked to.

Some postees wanted to put up ideas the pushed even further than Ady wanted to go with that film, which worked well enough in 1977 for us to still care enough to get the original version preserved.

I didn't start the Wishlist thread but as I feel ROTJ is almost as flawed as the PT many of my ideas have gone out beyond what I would suggest for ESB or ANH and much of the ideas posted by other people there have too.

It's also become a repository for ESB ideas that Adywan doesn't want to use but could be interesting in another project.

There have been some really interesting projects made outside than the glorious Revisited series and by having brainstorming threads like these hopefully more and more people will start expressing their creativity and give us all some exciting and fun end product to share and enjoy.

The Boost's Worst Edit Ideas thread has also been a genuine source of joy, I hope that's inspired a few humour based edits.

Star Wars fans need a giggle now and then.

The reason I tend to throw in radical ideas instead of just feasible and diable ones is that the line moves on what I feasbile or doable year to year.

I never would have thought something like Adywan's work could have been done. Ever.

I think I'm one of those guys that does not mind the existence of multiple universes in Star Wars.  As I've said elsewhere, I appreciate Star Wars as simply the OT, sometimes the OT and PT, and sometimes as the OT and some EU.  I think with the various fanedits around, I extend each the same courtesy to each of them.  I watch them, enjoy them as an alternate but similar story, consider how I might like the concepts there better than the official storyline, and hope that one day one will be completed that will surpass all else.

For these reasons I truly like these radical redux threads.  For instance, I would love to see Count Dukoo as a misguided renegade instead of the new Sith apprentice.  He'd be a more interesting villain because it would allow for more grey area instead of so much black and white.  I would love to see two Death Stars.  I would love to see a lengthier and grander space battle and ground battle as part of Endor.  I would love to see more romantic discussions about sand and quick forgiveness for the mass murder of innocent primitive people.  Well, maybe not that last sentence.  In any case, there is so much I love discussing and there are so many ideas that make for a fascinating series that were not incorporated.  I hope that one day I do have a six part series that will be definitive for me.  But for now, I enjoy the originals, the many edits, and the radical redux threads allowing me to imagine grander possibilities.

As an additional note, I still think there should be more cooperation and sharing among the many talented editors here.  For instance, there are two Ep III edits going on that show great strengths in different aspects from two talented editors (one more auditory and musical, the other more visual with neat special effects).  I think neither feels like working directly with the other, though they are sharing a few things.  I honestly feel a large project utilizing the strengths of multiple editors would get a project done quicker and with a finer end product.  If no one could work together like this due to different visions of the end product, the editors should at least be willing to allow other editors to borrow and build off of their fanedits without reservation.  After all, each editor is simply borrowing from George Lucas.  If more cooperation of this sort took place, I imagine that many more of these radical but brilliant ideas could become a reality.

I believe most on this forum have no issues with people using their edits as long as they are at least asked. After all none of us actually own Star Wars, but there should be a respect to others work.

By way of extension of the idea used by editors like JasonN, where Dooku is never a Sith but a militant rogue Jedi sincerely trying to out maneuver the Sith Lord he knows has control of the Republic, what if Qui-Gon's ghost first tries to contact Dooku?

Luke proved that you don't have to follow a Force Ghost's guidance to get return visits.

Qui-Gon could be trying to guide his former master into less aggressive resistance (like Ben trying to convince Luke not to go to Bespin) but Dooku takes a more militant path (playing into Palpatine's plans and foreshadowing Ben's fears about Luke falling into Vader's).

We also know that Force Ghosts don't turn up on demand, Dooku's wish that he were still alive could be born as much out of frustration at having no control over his guidance now that he is a ghost than mere regret at his passing. He could even retrieve the Death Star plans to be stored for later delivery to the Rebels as Qui-Gon may be able to see the future with a bit more clarity than a living Jedi Master. Some of the scenes of Dooku communing with Sidious could be transformed into Dooku communing with Qui-Gon either as just a voice or as an actual apparition.

Another Idea that just popped into my brain is a short possibly animated hologram sequence at the beginning as a prelude to Star Wars.

A bit like the prelude to Lord Of The Rings, explaining the forging of the Republic and the rise of the Jedi.

That way you'd get a feeling of the birth of the Republic thousands of years before the cracks begin to show in TPM.

That would put it's death in ROTS into context and it's rebirth in ROTJ too.

It needn't be anything too elaborate, shadow puppetish would do.

Something along the lines of an early learning hologram for recently child snatched Jedi acolytes.

^ funnily enough i was working on something like that a few tears ago by using footage from Chronicles of Riddick, as some sort of sith background story.

It would be in the spirit (though not as cheesy) of the Wookiee book of fairy tales made famous by Mark Hamill enthusing about it in interviews.

A new Jedi could be created and dropped into the council scenes (replacing one of the more silly aliens) and it could be just a little side scene setting up the whole saga with him telling the story to a child (and us).

It would make for a nice fan-film in it's own right but blended into the PT it could add depth which is currently lacking. 

Midichlorians. One of the most controversial aspects of the PT. The one that seems to have been more easily fixed and it mostly involves removing dialogue. However what if there was a way to include the midichlorians as a conservative aspect of the Jedi order?

That is to say, instead of Qui-gon having faith in Anakin because of his midicount, Mace should demand a count (in my interpretations they are related to the force but having lots of them could very well mean nothing). Dubbing would be requiered for this, but I believe the Jedis being conservative is one of the better devices in that trilogy and needs reinforcement.

^i sort of like that. having qui gon believing in the mystisism and religious side, whilst the cautious overly conservative jedi order require signs and rules.

Hmmm...I really like that as well.  I am not fond of the midchlorians, though I don't hate them with the passion that others feel.  Such a distinction between the scientific and mystical sides of the force would be an interesting compromise.

Bob Garcia has been working on that, based on a suggestion of Angel, who realized that the weird look of the emperor in ROTS can be corrected (in part) by altering the proportions of his face. Another thing to do is to make the glow of his eyes a lot softer.

Doing this you won't be getting an exact replica of the ROTJ emperor but he'd be far more similar to it, and you could always blame the 25 years of aging between the events in ROTS and ROTJ for the differences between the "young" emperor of the PT and the OT one.

Check the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUBodCHtMBU

Midichlorians = Poison Gas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IXKLjWAgHD0#t=254s

Done and done.

Thanks for posting that Mithrandir, I spent ages trying to find it.

I hope Bob keeps posting over here.

Bob's just very busy.  I don't think he plans to stop posting here.

Frink, you really are the master of your art. What you're art is exactly is beyond comprehension.

Could this be added to the Naboo forest? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLPMgp5npEM

You mean Endor?